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  1. Posted

    On 4/30/2019 at 10:28 PM, Jean_Bart said:

    At least they could have introduced Novorosyisk (Giulio Cesare) at tier 6 and Archangelsk (Royal Sovereign) at tier 7 as more real an existing ships, instead of complete fantasies/fakes!

    Perhaps that is already noted for a longer-term plan. 

    Novorosyisk could easily be added in future as a premium tier 6 Russian battleship (along the lines of Nürnberg > Admiral Makarov).

    And Archangelsk could then be added as the tier 7 premium, to fit inbetween the premium tier 6 (Novorosyisk) and tier 8 (Lenin) premium! 

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  2. Posted

    My top 5 now:

     

    1. Kronshtadt: excellent guns, robust, sleek, dynamic... Love her!! 

     

    2. Tirpitz: flexible, very tanky, the perfect brawling-machine, good all-rounder and a Tier 8 I don't mind being bottom tier in 

     

    3. Yueyang: stealthy, speedy, high rate-of-fire and 13.5 km torps, lethal in many ways!

     

    4. Kamikaze R: fast, sneaky, quick torpedo-reload-time... always fun to fight with (and against!)

     

    5. Aoba: her sleek, attractive looks, hard-hitting 203 mm guns, good long-range torps, what a dream, still, after playing her for more than 3 years now I still never get enough of her. 

     

    This top 5 can and will change though, depending on how my own playstyle develops over time... 

     

    Other runners-up which I also really enjoy a lot: Warspite, Baltimore, Chung Mu, Imperator Nikolai I, T-61, Charles Martel, Kaga, and lately also Enterprise. 

     

    And many, many more! 

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  3. Posted

    On 5/1/2019 at 1:18 AM, andrewk65 said:

    so my question is i have 4750 steel i will never use want to add it to clan treasury can i do that ?

    How exemplary of you to be willing to share the wealth. +1 to you for that, very noble.

    I'd be pleased to have someone with such an unselfish and willing-to-share mindset in my clan, for sure!!

     

    At the same time, steel can get you some very good and worthwhile ships. So why not continue to collect it? It doesn't cost you anything, can be earned by doing e.g. clan battles or from super-containers and (as a last resort, I'd say) can even be converted into coal to get you free coal ships and special upgrades! 

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  4. Posted

    14 minutes ago, lafeel said:

    Except you don't get the Chappy's radar, obviously.:Smile-_tongue:

    Fair enough. As long as the guns are Shchors- and Chapayev-compatible, it will make me happy as is. 

     

    To reply to the OP: going for (1) Lazo, (2) Vladivostok perma-camo and (3) the 30-token crates.

     

    All for free! *** Like 😁 *** again!!!

  6. Posted

    Russian battleships. I really like them! The ones I've tried so far feel strong, versatile and inspire me to fight aggressively with them.

     

    What I enjoy is the familiar look and feel to each of them. You can clearly recognize their character and style, both in their looks and in the way they handle. 

     

    The 4 early-access ones now available each appeal to me in their own ways. So far, I've done only a handful of battles in the Velikiy, the Izmail and the Sinop but immediately knew right from the first battle that these will be keepers in my fleet! My initial performance with the tier 5 needs work but I enjoy every battle with her. My first battle with Izmail also gave me a good first impression, plus the positive feeling of "hey, this feels familiar to the others"! And to top this off, my first battle in Sinop yesterday put me at the top of the team in XP, with 6 kills. My stats are public, you can see this confirmed, only 1 battle with her. And looking forward to the next one. And next, and next....

     

    This is a tree which I want to really take my time for, to grind them all from tier 3 u/i tier 10. Brilliant ships, I'm a fan of them already!!! 

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  7. Posted

    Izumo? She has always been one of my favourite battleships!

    Powerful, simple and plain... I always was -- and still am -- very fond of her and will never sell her! 

     

    It's just a matter of play-style I suppose. And the fact that she is often under-estimated helps as well. 

    Just make sure you angle her a bit or go straight for your target. What works especially well is cooperating with a cruiser to make sure you don't end up being a DD-magnet. 

     

    And awareness. Know, and always remember, that in this ship the whole world is going to see you from afar. 

    Then all you need is a bit of luck... 

  8. Posted

    9 hours ago, K82J said:

    Probably we gonna see another " clone " if the Pan-European tree gets added. Viribus Unitis and St Istvan / Tegethoff / Prinze Eugen. Personally, i would like see the St. Istvan as a silver ship from the three.

    In this case, I wouldn't mind at all. On the contrary. As others have pointed out in this thread, it can indeed be good to have a sistership as premium besides the regular tree ship.

    I would only wish that the performance (and ideally also the appearance, in line with historical accuracy, whenever that is the case) would differ as well. 

     

    Here we have a nice example of 4 "sisters" from Austro-Hungary, where in fact the one you mention, Szent István, is the only one with a Hungarian name, the other three had Austrian names. 

    That in itself would be interesting to see, I'd applaud seeing e.g. Viribus Unitis as premium flagship of this series and Szent István as regular tree counterpart. Or vice versa, as Viribus Unitis was the first ship in the Tegetthoff-class (launched in June 1911) and Szent István the fourth and last (launched in January 1914) and there were undoubtedly advances in technology within those 2,5 years.... (which would make it more sensible to make the more modern edition a premium ship, as it seems). 

     

    They could both sport Austro-Hungarian flags, the former could feature red-white-red Austrian detailing and the latter red-white-green Hungarian style. Perfectly alright to have those two as "parallel sisters" then! (like Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen, and why not equip one with heal as well then?) Would fit beautifully into the new Pan-European tree, one ship having an Austrian identity, the other Hungarian (and both of them Austro-Hungarian, historically). I look forward to sailing in division with both of them already! 

     

    (and maybe equip Szent István with extra strong torpedo-belt to safeguard against sneaky early-morning attacks)  ;-) 

  10. Posted

    5 hours ago, T0byJug said:

    @Midway67

     

    27. Kagero & HSF Harekaze (minor differences and other camo's, yet otherwise the same ship) Completely DIFFERENT due to gun choices on HSF Harekaze also cartoon tie in


    37. Leander & Huanghe (ditto) MMMM?????? Different class of ship.. Huanghe 6x2 main guns Leander 4x2 main guns know if you had said Leander and Perth.....


    49. Nassau & König Albert (they are different but look alike in quite a few ways)  They look nothing like each other apart from the similarity you might expect for ships built by the same nation

    60. Krasny Krym & Svietlana (sisterships) But represented in game in modes about 20 years apart. Just being pedantic but they are not sister ships.. There the same ship renamed :Smile_hiding:


    63. Bellerophon & Dreadnought (again, regular versus premium, the rest appears as good as identical) Nope actually different classes of ship  Dreadnought being a test bed the Bellerophon class derived from lessens learned also Dreadnought as first all big gun BB the created the hole ship type of battleship so deserved to be a prem


    65. Wichita & Baltimore Actually different classes with very different secondary armaments 


    69. Yahagi, I'm not sure but... doesn't she look a bit like Furutaka with some differences? Or is this actually a totally different ship?) one is a light cruiser with 15cm guns one is a heavy cruiser with 203mm guns and were built 20 years appart

     

    Basically yes there are a lot of closes but many of those you say are not.. As others have said prem ships is how WG make there money but they still need that class for the tech tree lines

    Thank you @T0byJug for taking the time and effort to respond to my list point-to-point. 

    I've taken the above excerpt from that: 


    27. Kagero & HSF Harekaze: interesting, now that you mention it I do indeed remember that Harekaze was in a league of it's own, I stand corrected with this. 

    37. Leander & Huanghe: yes different gun lay-out, yet you're right about this too, Huanghe (or HMS Aurora, as she was originally called) is Arethusa-class, which was actually preceded by the Leander-class. Even though the hulls do appear similar, (your) point taken, these cannot be seen as clones at all (moreover since their performance differs so greatly!)
     

    49. Nassau & König Albert: fully correct again, point taken as well! (I promise to raise my rusty old binoculars first the next time I look at them!) 

    60. Krasny Krym & Svietlana: I really like both of these (won the 1st one in a super-container and bought the 2nd one back devotedly even after getting Moskva!), and seeing that these two are in fact, as you say, one and the same ship by origin (yet very different in their own ways), they cannot be seen as clones either. Crispy Creme is T5 and Svietlana T4, which makes me curious to see what they will do to West Virginia 1944, will that be Tier 7 then? (looking forward to seeing her already!) 
     

    63. Bellerophon & Dreadnought: ah yes... Dreadnought preceded Bellerophon-class. True! In game, they feel so similar though. Must be my gut feeling then, similar to those two German BB's, that they were perhaps identical in style, yet not in exact shape and performance. Appreciate your input on this, as it prompts me to read up on my WW1 warship history book material! 

     

    69. Okay, this is great to see confirmed then, the last time I saw specs from Yahagi they appeared more vague than this. Now adding Yahagi to my wishlist for future premiums, I really like the IJN cruisers in WoWs and have made it a point to get them all. Great news to see Yahagi will be added as the first Tier 5 IJN light cruiser, hopefully soon!

     

    Thanks again for your input. Next step could be to redefine my original list by applying your input to it. 
    For sure it will be shorter! 
     

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  11. Posted

    2 hours ago, Panocek said:

    By extension of that, Fletcher with catapult dive bombers when? I mean, Tone is still somewhere out there, so why not Aviation Derpstroyers?

    Nice to see the ongoing Fletcher-hype extend itself here. 

    To take this back to the subject line, in this instance I actually see the phenomenon "similar ship" as a big advantage: never had so much fun with a destroyer as with Chung Mu, which, if I'm not mistaken, is an (exported-to-South-Korea) Fletcher! Awesome ship!! :Smile_honoring:

    (alias U.S.S. Erben, DD-631 ---> Fletcher class) 

     

  12. Posted

    4 hours ago, fallenkezef said:

    One of the reasons I quit WoT was the wall of fake, fantasy tanks (and no Chieftain).

     

    I'd rather see sister ships than paper.

    That's another interesting topic, if you ask me. Paper ships. 

    It has been covered at this forum quite a few times before, yet in view of this topic, I would just want to add here that paper ships appear, imho, under-respected here. 

     

    Tbh I find the concept totally thrilling, to see what a designed-but-not-built ship would be like in reality, what she would look like, how she would perform. 

    Let's face it: where else than here in WoWs are we going to get a chance to see, in 3D, what Friedrich der Große and Großer Kurfürst would have been like?

    Let alone try them out!! 

     

    And soon also Kreml and the other Russian battleships, in addition to the many (and often very cool!) paper ships we already have in game. 

    I for one am positive towards these designs-brought-to-life here, so much so in fact that they may even copy, clone, and recolor them, as long as their gameplay is very (or at least somewhat) unique! 

  13. Posted

    18 minutes ago, antean said:

    You missed, entirely, the StL & Charleston not too mention the Varyag & Aurora  StL - like ships.

    Nothing wrong with 'clones'.

    I'm still waiting for the release of a Western Dragon & a Northern Dragon.

    Do I need more Myoko clones? No. However, I want to collect all four Dragons (that is, if WF ever gets around to offering them).

    No Sir, I did not! Quote from my original post this morning: 

     

    55. St. Louis & Charleston (this one is literally the same ship, only with another color... come on!!!! One regular, one premium... totally identical!) 

     

    Southern Dragon was available through a campaign back in 2017 IIRC. 

    Eastern Dragon was in the shop last spring... 

  14. Posted

    9 minutes ago, 250swb said:

    Point of order Mister Chairman, the USS Boise and Nueve de Julio are not clones as in two separate ships, they are the one and the same ship early and late in its career.

     

    But realistically it's no surprise there are similar ships floating about in the game, a ship is not like a tank where a quick prototype can be whipped up for testing, evolution and designs that work are the ones that get commissioned.

    Early & late ships, original and advanced version, I'm all for that! The more, the merrier. :Smile_bajan2:

     

    Yet to my taste, it would be good to see sister-ships, similar ships, clones, call them whatever you may, stand out more from one another. 

    If there would be more to differentiate between them, then that could make it more fun to try them both (or all) out. 

     

    Personally, I find it great whenever I see the same ships at different stages of their lifespan, what appeals to me is the different gameplay possible with that, as well as the historical accuracy. For instance, now having played West Virginia 1941 already makes me very curious to see (and experience) what WeeVee 1944 will be like! 

     

    On the sharper side, having exact replica's of one and the same ship can be nice too, I can see that.

    Only, not too many of those please -- not hundreds! That would be my concern here. 

  17. Posted

    27 minutes ago, Beastofwar said:

     

    Even better : create (mini)  operation(s) where you can only use ships that historically fought a famous battle ! ( no matter what tiers they have between them for extra challenge )

     

    That would sell these ships :-))

     

     

    Brilliant idea! :Smile_Default:

     

    Would love to see that in the game in future! 

  18. Posted

    31 minutes ago, Azalgor said:

    Yeah, as pointed out already, the OP has no idea that most of the ships he mentioned are sisterships...

    Actually I'm well aware of that, yet as already stated above, the intention was to compile an overview of "similar" ships. 

    (perhaps I should change the subject name to reflect that...) 

     

    ---> for all clarity, I've now adjusted the general topic title and added this to the first line in my original post: 


    " (or actually: similar ships, which are in more ways than one like others already in the game)  " 

  19. Posted

    31 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

    :Smile_unsure: i can't see any system or pattern in that "list", am not appealed to do it myself and thus only can leave in doubt about the number. also, there's so many mistakes and not proper listed differencies in there.... i mean like: to distinct iowa and missi by.... (spotter-)plane?! naaaah :Smile_sceptic:. could also be a fighter :Smile_trollface:#radarISoverrated

    There isn't meant to be any pattern :-) It is just an attempt to create an overview of, shall we say, similar ships. 

    To add all of the (many) differences would likely make such a list unoverseeable and too long. 


    Regarding Missouri indeed, you are fully correct, radar should be mentioned there as one of the major differences, I've adjusted that rightaway, thanks! 

  21. Posted

    29 minutes ago, Nautical_Metaphor said:

    You forgot Jervis and Gadja Mada.

    And König Albert is of course just a slightly nerfed but almost identical Kaiser.

    Also the first few ships of the upcoming Russian BB line are all basically the OR.

     

    Ah good, thank you for pointing that out. 

    I actually have both Jervis and Gadjah in my fleet, yet somehow those two didn't come to mind (probably as I still see Gadjah as the original [British-built] Dutch ship which it once was). 

     

    Now that is one clone I would actually love to see: adding Gadjah Mada in her Dutch Hr. Ms. Tjerk Hiddes form, in the planned Pan European tree! 

    If Blyskawica is already in there as Tier 7 DD, then that would be a nice opportunity to buff Gadja-alias-Hiddes to tier 8 ;-) 

     

    Hmmm König Albert does not look a whole lot like the Kaiser we have in game, if you ask me. 

    Yet perhaps that is, in itself, already a deviation from WW1-reality, as our Tier-4-Kaiser sooner seems to resemble a ship in the interbellum period... 

  22. Posted

    33 minutes ago, fumtu said:

     

    Gangut and OR are same class, in fact they are the same ship as Gangut is renamed OR in 1925. Imperator and Izmail are totally different ship classes, Izmail is even different ship type.

     

    Some other cases of same class - same ship:

     

    Benson - Loyang

    Nurnberg - Makarov

    Interesting to know, regarding Gangut.

    I read somewhere that she's going to be a steel ship, but find that hard to believe. Steel, at Tier 4?!

    Does anyone here remember seeing that? 

     

    Saw Izmail in game last week, Tier 6, impressive performance! And catchy looks, a bit like a "Super-Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya"! (alias... Super-Gangut) 

    Already looking forward to that whole line now :-) 

     

    The other 2 pairs you mentioned are already in my above list. 

     

  23. Posted

    11 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

    That must have been a while back since I haven't played the Stalin in a couple of weeks now. :Smile_hiding: but I'll make sure to say "Hi" next time (if I didn't, sorry) 

     

    Haha yeah distant relatives would be the right term in the case of moskva and stalingrad. They share the same branch but are two very different ships. Some people will disagree because they have a more or less identical playstyles and share a few characteristics. But the moskva can do things the Stalin can't and vice versa. 

    Haha no worries :Smile_Default: It was indeed (as I already wrote) a while ago, last September actually (I checked my logbook for that), yet I still remember hesitating, should I take my Yamato and go full ahead for those Stalingrads? No, I can only sink one, with luck, yet knowing them they'll make use of island cover... which is exactly what happened, so I kept my distance. Yet your team won, I remember that much. Well done! 

    Will also be sure to shout a loud "Ahoy" next time I see you! Impressed by your high level of knowledge and expertise btw (and of course such excellent stats, which I personally do not attach too much value to, yet unmistakably figures to be proud of!) 

     

    I can relate to your thoughts about our two Russian beauties, yet at this point I am only just starting to get to know them. With Moskva, I felt pretty good, and enjoyed playing her, so after my first rather good battle in Stalingrad, I thought wow, this is gonna be easy, this feels like Moskva-de-Luxe already! That was a bit optimistic, as I've learned meanwhile. Personally I would indeed also tend to not see them as clones at all. They feel like very different ships, to me, in game..... and I am looking forward to battling in both of them soon! 

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  24. Posted

    3 minutes ago, StalkerSoC said:

    Getting ships of the same class isn't a problem to me, as long as the gameplay isn't the exact same, and I am all for some sisters of some ship we already have in game, like Washington (The meme could be super stealthy just to make it like in real life when it flanked the japanese), or South Dakota, making it a lot more tanky ? Or why not New jersey and her rounded bridge ? I mean, we have multiple ships of the same class, with different histories and sometime design that makes them unique. I am all for sisterships being added in the game, and nothing push you to buy them or not...

    I fully agree, yet to be honest, when I play a totally different unique ship for the first time, in this game, I find that even more enjoyable. 

     

    To me, that is then almost like discovering new land or territory, where you've never been before. And that can be totally thrilling! (or shocking, in some cases haha! Remember your first run on Derzki? Belfast?! Worcester!!!) 

     

    Cloned, or "sister" ships if you will, are less of a surprise, unless indeed their gameplay differs strongly. 

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  25. Posted

    24 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

    Thats for atleast some part how WG earns money on the game. So why wouldnt they? If someone is willing to pay money for a ship they already own in another color, they would be unwise not to capitalize on it. 

    Garrus! I've seen you in game already several times (and read some of your engaging posts), already a while ago with you in a Stalingrad division (wow nasty, 2 of them working together, woohoo!). 

    Speaking of Stalingrad, to which extent would you see her and Moskva also as, shall we say, "related" or "somewhat, distantly or less distanly related" ships? 

    Cousins, maybe? (to think along the lines of our friend ColonelPete, above)... 

     

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