Midway67

Perhaps that is already noted for a longer-term plan. Novorosyisk could easily be added in future as a premium tier 6 Russian battleship (along the lines of Nürnberg > Admiral Makarov). And Archangelsk could then be added as the tier 7 premium, to fit inbetween the premium tier 6 (Novorosyisk) and tier 8 (Lenin) premium!

My top 5 now: 1. Kronshtadt: excellent guns, robust, sleek, dynamic... Love her!! 2. Tirpitz: flexible, very tanky, the perfect brawling-machine, good all-rounder and a Tier 8 I don't mind being bottom tier in 3. Yueyang: stealthy, speedy, high rate-of-fire and 13.5 km torps, lethal in many ways! 4. Kamikaze R: fast, sneaky, quick torpedo-reload-time... always fun to fight with (and against!) 5. Aoba: her sleek, attractive looks, hard-hitting 203 mm guns, good long-range torps, what a dream, still, after playing her for more than 3 years now I still never get enough of her. This top 5 can and will change though, depending on how my own playstyle develops over time... Other runners-up which I also really enjoy a lot: Warspite, Baltimore, Chung Mu, Imperator Nikolai I, T-61, Charles Martel, Kaga, and lately also Enterprise. And many, many more!

How exemplary of you to be willing to share the wealth. +1 to you for that, very noble. I'd be pleased to have someone with such an unselfish and willing-to-share mindset in my clan, for sure!! At the same time, steel can get you some very good and worthwhile ships. So why not continue to collect it? It doesn't cost you anything, can be earned by doing e.g. clan battles or from super-containers and (as a last resort, I'd say) can even be converted into coal to get you free coal ships and special upgrades!

Fair enough. As long as the guns are Shchors- and Chapayev-compatible, it will make me happy as is. To reply to the OP: going for (1) Lazo, (2) Vladivostok perma-camo and (3) the 30-token crates. All for free! *** Like 😁 *** again!!!

Chappy at Tier 7? *** Like 😁 ***

Russian battleships. I really like them! The ones I've tried so far feel strong, versatile and inspire me to fight aggressively with them. What I enjoy is the familiar look and feel to each of them. You can clearly recognize their character and style, both in their looks and in the way they handle. The 4 early-access ones now available each appeal to me in their own ways. So far, I've done only a handful of battles in the Velikiy, the Izmail and the Sinop but immediately knew right from the first battle that these will be keepers in my fleet! My initial performance with the tier 5 needs work but I enjoy every battle with her. My first battle with Izmail also gave me a good first impression, plus the positive feeling of "hey, this feels familiar to the others"! And to top this off, my first battle in Sinop yesterday put me at the top of the team in XP, with 6 kills. My stats are public, you can see this confirmed, only 1 battle with her. And looking forward to the next one. And next, and next.... This is a tree which I want to really take my time for, to grind them all from tier 3 u/i tier 10. Brilliant ships, I'm a fan of them already!!!

Izumo? She has always been one of my favourite battleships! Powerful, simple and plain... I always was -- and still am -- very fond of her and will never sell her! It's just a matter of play-style I suppose. And the fact that she is often under-estimated helps as well. Just make sure you angle her a bit or go straight for your target. What works especially well is cooperating with a cruiser to make sure you don't end up being a DD-magnet. And awareness. Know, and always remember, that in this ship the whole world is going to see you from afar. Then all you need is a bit of luck...

Cloned ships. Exactly how many of these are there in World of Warships? (or actually: similar ships, which are in more ways than one like others already in the game) Let me state up front that I totally love this game!!! However, one of the (few) things I do not like is that so many ships have been and are being cloned / copied ! As this has been growing on me lately, I decided to make a list. Here's what I came up with: 70 pairs of cloned (or at least similar to highly similar) ships! Effectively, 140 "doubles"!!! Here they are, feel free to correct me or adjust accordingly, in case I missed something: 1. Arkansas Beta & Wyoming (Ark is basically same with basic hull but more secondaries, without any AA and with slower rudder shift time, is Arkansas Beta in fact the "Dreadnought"-version / hull A of Wyoming?) 2. New York & Texas (1 gun mount difference? Plus of course Texas' extremely good AA -- yet in effect, are the hulls of both ships not pretty much the same?) 3. Wickes & Campbeltown (one is American, the other English, yet to me they look like the same ship with different camo's and, okay, different torpedo range)... 4. ARP Takao & Atago 5. ARP Kongo & Kongo 6. ARP Haruna & Kongo 7. ARP Hiei & Kongo 8. ARP Kirishima & Kongo 9. ARP Myoko & Myoko 10. ARP Ashigara & Myoko 11. ARP Haguro & Myoko 12. ARP Nachi & Myoko 13. Eastern Dragon & Myoko 14. Southern Dragon & Myoko 15. Iowa & Missouri (no radar vs. radar, one has spotter plane, the other doesn't; and different camo's, but essentially the same ship, right?) 16. Ashitaka & Amagi (basically, the former is the A-hull version of the latter, with some minor differences and another camo) 17. Vampire & Valkyrie (one is regular, the other premium) 18. V-25 & Longjiang (only difference: torpedoes) 19. Admiral Hipper & Prinz Eugen (one is regular, the other premium) 20. West Virginia & Colorado (WeeVee = basic hull of Colorado) 21. Atago & Atago B 22. Massachusetts & Massachusetts B 23. Alabama & Massachusetts (optically, different guns, rest same) 24. Tirpitz & Bismarck (highly similar, except for torpedoes and some other minor differences) 25. Tirpitz & Tirpitz B 26. Asashio & Asashio B 27. Kagero & HSF Harekaze (minor differences and other camo's, yet otherwise the same ship) 28. Yamato & Musashi (okay, different guns, deck-lay-out etc., yet still basically the same hull) 29. Atlanta & Flint (one without smoke, the other with) 30. Helena & Nueve de Julio correction: Boise & Nueve de Julio 31. Omaha & Murmansk 32. Omaha & Marblehead 33. Diana & Diana Lima 34. Tachibana & Tachibana Lima 35. Marblehead & Marblehead Lima 36. Leander & Perth (different smoke, yet again basically same hull) 37. Leander & Huanghe (ditto) 38. Anshan & Gnevny 39. Fushun & Gnevny 40. Warspite & Queen Elizabeth (one is premium, the other isn't) 41. Leningrad & Minsk (torpedo range differs, rest is same) 42. Graf Spee & HSF Graf Spee 43. Black & Fletcher (torpedo speed, smoke, yet same hull) 44. Fletcher & Chung Mu (torpedoes, one has regular, the other deep water, yet same ship -- again) 45. Kamikaze R & Minekaze 46. Kamikaze R & Fujin 47. Kamikaze R & Kamikaze 48. Minekaze & Shenyang (one is tier 5, the other tier 4, different torps yet that's it!) 49. Nassau & König Albert (they are different but look alike in quite a few ways) 50. Scharnhorst & Gneisenau (ditto) 51. Emden & Dresden (one is premium, the other regular tree) 52. Nürnberg & Admiral Makarov (ditto, yet then with different torps & other nations) 53. King George V & Duke of York 54. Kidd & Fletcher 55. St. Louis & Charleston (this one is literally the same ship, only with another color... come on!!!! One regular, one premium... totally identical!) 56. Salem & Des Moines 57. Mutsu & Nagato (former has original hull of latter, and is premium whereas latter is not) 58. Alabama & Alabama ST 59. Bogatyr & Oleg 60. Krasny Krym & Svietlana (sisterships) 61. Z-39 & Z-23 (sisterships) 62. Belfast & Edinburgh (sisterships, ok one has HE and AP, the other only AP) 63. Bellerophon & Dreadnought (again, regular versus premium, the rest appears as good as identical) 64. Benson & Loyang 65. Wichita & Baltimore 66. Lazo & Shchors will again be clones? 67. Montpelier will again be a copy, this time of Cleveland? 68. Yukikaze, a copy of Kagero 69. Yahagi, I'm not sure but... doesn't she look a bit like Furutaka with some differences? Or is this actually a totally different ship?) 70. To close this long list off: the planned T7 premium RU BB Lenin looks like an almost exact copy of T7 RN Premium HMS Nelson! Both have all guns located forward, both with 406mm caliber... Come to think of it, Haida and Cossack bear similarities, yet they are at different tiers -- it's just that at times, they feel quite similar in battle. (also a metamorphosis of tier-changes, which reappear quite regularly, Cleveland going from T6 to T8, then Pensacola from T7 to T6, and now Giulio Cesare going from T5 to T6... at times with quite a lot of changes to armour and such, yet in the end, again the same ship, but then at a higher or lower tier; this is not cloning, okay, but still a sort of "magical reappearance" in another dimension, shall we say) ... and then I've not even mentioned the many Halloween ships, which yes indeed look *very* different, yet underneath... is the exact same ship, in most (if not all) cases! Parallel to that, the space-wars ships. Different looks, different names, yet in essence: clones, clones, clones!! One good thing about the submarines we've seen in game last year: they were all different, each of them! Perfect!! Bottom line: I'm perfectly alright with ships that have substantial differences, such as e.g. Yamato & Musashi, Scharnhorst & Gneisenau, and Nassau & König Albert. And even Nürnberg <> Makarov, okay, different era's. That's very valid as well. Yet most of the other pairs listed above show ships that in fact have very much the same identities. I think it's okay to do this a couple of times. Maybe even 10 times, okay. But now, with well more than 100 of these in the game, my vote would be: enough cloning!!! Keep ships characters, and ships themselves, above all ... unique!!! Apart from this, I still see WoWs as the best game ever :-) Just had to get all this "over-cloning / -copying" off my back. Midway67

In this case, I wouldn't mind at all. On the contrary. As others have pointed out in this thread, it can indeed be good to have a sistership as premium besides the regular tree ship. I would only wish that the performance (and ideally also the appearance, in line with historical accuracy, whenever that is the case) would differ as well. Here we have a nice example of 4 "sisters" from Austro-Hungary, where in fact the one you mention, Szent István, is the only one with a Hungarian name, the other three had Austrian names. That in itself would be interesting to see, I'd applaud seeing e.g. Viribus Unitis as premium flagship of this series and Szent István as regular tree counterpart. Or vice versa, as Viribus Unitis was the first ship in the Tegetthoff-class (launched in June 1911) and Szent István the fourth and last (launched in January 1914) and there were undoubtedly advances in technology within those 2,5 years.... (which would make it more sensible to make the more modern edition a premium ship, as it seems). They could both sport Austro-Hungarian flags, the former could feature red-white-red Austrian detailing and the latter red-white-green Hungarian style. Perfectly alright to have those two as "parallel sisters" then! (like Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen, and why not equip one with heal as well then?) Would fit beautifully into the new Pan-European tree, one ship having an Austrian identity, the other Hungarian (and both of them Austro-Hungarian, historically). I look forward to sailing in division with both of them already! (and maybe equip Szent István with extra strong torpedo-belt to safeguard against sneaky early-morning attacks) ;-)

How do you mean?

Thank you @T0byJug for taking the time and effort to respond to my list point-to-point. I've taken the above excerpt from that: 27. Kagero & HSF Harekaze: interesting, now that you mention it I do indeed remember that Harekaze was in a league of it's own, I stand corrected with this. 37. Leander & Huanghe: yes different gun lay-out, yet you're right about this too, Huanghe (or HMS Aurora, as she was originally called) is Arethusa-class, which was actually preceded by the Leander-class. Even though the hulls do appear similar, (your) point taken, these cannot be seen as clones at all (moreover since their performance differs so greatly!) 49. Nassau & König Albert: fully correct again, point taken as well! (I promise to raise my rusty old binoculars first the next time I look at them!) 60. Krasny Krym & Svietlana: I really like both of these (won the 1st one in a super-container and bought the 2nd one back devotedly even after getting Moskva!), and seeing that these two are in fact, as you say, one and the same ship by origin (yet very different in their own ways), they cannot be seen as clones either. Crispy Creme is T5 and Svietlana T4, which makes me curious to see what they will do to West Virginia 1944, will that be Tier 7 then? (looking forward to seeing her already!) 63. Bellerophon & Dreadnought: ah yes... Dreadnought preceded Bellerophon-class. True! In game, they feel so similar though. Must be my gut feeling then, similar to those two German BB's, that they were perhaps identical in style, yet not in exact shape and performance. Appreciate your input on this, as it prompts me to read up on my WW1 warship history book material! 69. Okay, this is great to see confirmed then, the last time I saw specs from Yahagi they appeared more vague than this. Now adding Yahagi to my wishlist for future premiums, I really like the IJN cruisers in WoWs and have made it a point to get them all. Great news to see Yahagi will be added as the first Tier 5 IJN light cruiser, hopefully soon! Thanks again for your input. Next step could be to redefine my original list by applying your input to it. For sure it will be shorter!

Nice to see the ongoing Fletcher-hype extend itself here. To take this back to the subject line, in this instance I actually see the phenomenon "similar ship" as a big advantage: never had so much fun with a destroyer as with Chung Mu, which, if I'm not mistaken, is an (exported-to-South-Korea) Fletcher! Awesome ship!! (alias U.S.S. Erben, DD-631 ---> Fletcher class)

That's another interesting topic, if you ask me. Paper ships. It has been covered at this forum quite a few times before, yet in view of this topic, I would just want to add here that paper ships appear, imho, under-respected here. Tbh I find the concept totally thrilling, to see what a designed-but-not-built ship would be like in reality, what she would look like, how she would perform. Let's face it: where else than here in WoWs are we going to get a chance to see, in 3D, what Friedrich der Große and Großer Kurfürst would have been like? Let alone try them out!! And soon also Kreml and the other Russian battleships, in addition to the many (and often very cool!) paper ships we already have in game. I for one am positive towards these designs-brought-to-life here, so much so in fact that they may even copy, clone, and recolor them, as long as their gameplay is very (or at least somewhat) unique!

No Sir, I did not! Quote from my original post this morning: 55. St. Louis & Charleston (this one is literally the same ship, only with another color... come on!!!! One regular, one premium... totally identical!) Southern Dragon was available through a campaign back in 2017 IIRC. Eastern Dragon was in the shop last spring...

Early & late ships, original and advanced version, I'm all for that! The more, the merrier. Yet to my taste, it would be good to see sister-ships, similar ships, clones, call them whatever you may, stand out more from one another. If there would be more to differentiate between them, then that could make it more fun to try them both (or all) out. Personally, I find it great whenever I see the same ships at different stages of their lifespan, what appeals to me is the different gameplay possible with that, as well as the historical accuracy. For instance, now having played West Virginia 1941 already makes me very curious to see (and experience) what WeeVee 1944 will be like! On the sharper side, having exact replica's of one and the same ship can be nice too, I can see that. Only, not too many of those please -- not hundreds! That would be my concern here.

Really? That must have been very long ago then. I don't actually recall Yubari ever having been non-premium, it is my understanding that it was devised as such...

Oddly enough, wows-numbers does not list certain premium ships as such. For instance, Yubari, Stalingrad, Alaska, Saipan, Wichita, Irian, T-61, Charleston, Marblehead Lima, Boise, Nueve de Julio, Atago B....

Brilliant idea! Would love to see that in the game in future!

Actually I'm well aware of that, yet as already stated above, the intention was to compile an overview of "similar" ships. (perhaps I should change the subject name to reflect that...) ---> for all clarity, I've now adjusted the general topic title and added this to the first line in my original post: " (or actually: similar ships, which are in more ways than one like others already in the game) "

There isn't meant to be any pattern :-) It is just an attempt to create an overview of, shall we say, similar ships. To add all of the (many) differences would likely make such a list unoverseeable and too long. Regarding Missouri indeed, you are fully correct, radar should be mentioned there as one of the major differences, I've adjusted that rightaway, thanks!

Actually, they are in my list... (yet starting with Tirp) *quote* 24. Tirpitz & Bismarck (highly similar, except for torpedoes and some other minor differences) *unquote*

Ah good, thank you for pointing that out. I actually have both Jervis and Gadjah in my fleet, yet somehow those two didn't come to mind (probably as I still see Gadjah as the original [British-built] Dutch ship which it once was). Now that is one clone I would actually love to see: adding Gadjah Mada in her Dutch Hr. Ms. Tjerk Hiddes form, in the planned Pan European tree! If Blyskawica is already in there as Tier 7 DD, then that would be a nice opportunity to buff Gadja-alias-Hiddes to tier 8 ;-) Hmmm König Albert does not look a whole lot like the Kaiser we have in game, if you ask me. Yet perhaps that is, in itself, already a deviation from WW1-reality, as our Tier-4-Kaiser sooner seems to resemble a ship in the interbellum period...

Interesting to know, regarding Gangut. I read somewhere that she's going to be a steel ship, but find that hard to believe. Steel, at Tier 4?! Does anyone here remember seeing that? Saw Izmail in game last week, Tier 6, impressive performance! And catchy looks, a bit like a "Super-Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya"! (alias... Super-Gangut) Already looking forward to that whole line now :-) The other 2 pairs you mentioned are already in my above list.

Haha no worries It was indeed (as I already wrote) a while ago, last September actually (I checked my logbook for that), yet I still remember hesitating, should I take my Yamato and go full ahead for those Stalingrads? No, I can only sink one, with luck, yet knowing them they'll make use of island cover... which is exactly what happened, so I kept my distance. Yet your team won, I remember that much. Well done! Will also be sure to shout a loud "Ahoy" next time I see you! Impressed by your high level of knowledge and expertise btw (and of course such excellent stats, which I personally do not attach too much value to, yet unmistakably figures to be proud of!) I can relate to your thoughts about our two Russian beauties, yet at this point I am only just starting to get to know them. With Moskva, I felt pretty good, and enjoyed playing her, so after my first rather good battle in Stalingrad, I thought wow, this is gonna be easy, this feels like Moskva-de-Luxe already! That was a bit optimistic, as I've learned meanwhile. Personally I would indeed also tend to not see them as clones at all. They feel like very different ships, to me, in game..... and I am looking forward to battling in both of them soon!