Gojuadorai

well im happy finaly some people found the topic that see the same problems of the change and how it makes the game worse (before someone posts something about it again no im not a firend of stealthfiring) i reall hope WG realizes that they made the game less compleyx in a bad way and fies this problem, sadly they ruled out a gun caliber dpendant bloom time. (which would probaly not fix the problems cruisers now have since 1 shoot is sometimes enough, but atleast it would probably fix DD's)

for the 5th time its not about SF read the damn post.... for example this: or my example about cruisers

what you consider an abuse i consider well made game mechanics that allow for some deepth of decisionmaking and positioning.

like how many times i have to clarify this damn topic is not about "open water stealthfire" do you guys eaven bother to read a post propperly od so you just skim for words you know and then make up a response??? im getting seriously mad i want to talk about apples and people keep telling me they dont like bananas....

usually T10 are in all regards amplified versions of lower tiers (zao, moskva, ....) so if they exhibit flaws in design you can be pretty sure low tiers will carrie them just maybe in a less obvious way

yes the thing is why havnt they doen this in the first place? since they are clearly able to perform LOS checks (see terain hit marker) i would absolutely support this solution (whit a modification: i would jsut have the old system back with said LOS check and make the ship bee detected if it is open water stealthfiring at the target, this would only need one LOS check ship to ship and only if oen is outside spoting of the other in all other cases it would recreate the old situation but prohibit open water stealthfiring) the problem i see is WG does not want such a thing probably cause of server strain or other resons :-(

i would bet some dubloons that was a bot (i refuse to belive you can be that bad)

i wonder how they are giving away the jolly rogers III and IV (seen on NA sum up) now ? jolly I , Jolly II, Flint, Jolly III, Black, jolly IV or something alike?

while i understand and agree i see it as a highly hypothetical thing (appart from maybe 3 ships zao, gremy, blys), i myself (even though BB is my second most played calss) have in over 7K games verry rarely (meaning sub 1% range) experianced a random-game(more so in ranked games) where i have seen a stealthfiring making actually a difference, and even less of those wereavoidable. thats why i consider the secondary effects of this change WAY worse that the benefit of removing Openwater-SF

you do not see what im talking about do you? I DONT CARE IF YOU CAN OPEN WATER STEALTHFIRE! (that could be removed i never used it nor seen it as a problem) im talking about the implications on gameplay of ships that had a SF window on ships they were not firing upon. and thats often a huge problem. e.g. you have an island youre using to your advantatge to burn down a BB like 15 KM away which would spot you anyway firing without it. hey but wait theres the dd over at the other cap inside youre SF window who is spoting you, so the BB now can delete you. got it?

you realized i was not talking about stealthfiring itself, but the implications of the solution of its removal? i dont care wether SF it self exist and i rarely play zao cause i dont like the ship. i was literaly talking about every cruiser that had some kind of window (except RN) and DD. can't you see the huge impact it has on the gameplay even if you do not intend to SF ?

well i should have formulated that better, the presence of planes amplifies the problem. With having to consider not only the planes the presence of planes is an even bigger problem because you possibly cant be in a good position agaisnt both. (prevoiusly you could position more easily against the planes cause of the greater freedom you had ) this was not changed since game relase and is not this topic please either state your opinion on the SF-Nerf or dont, do not try make this your topic.

you could discuss that "small" the problem i have in my crusiers is the new spotting reall [edited]up firing often cause somewhere on the map someone is spoting you for the whole duration even if los to your target is blocked. that SF removal is the worst thing tha happned to DD'S and CA'S in a long time i hop the y take it back

donskoi is awesome.... like best T9 cruiser (shared with neptune)

Henri IV soon in game as contender for the throne

problem is those two are indistinguishable as soon as measures are implemented rage quiters will quit via task manager or switch out the pwer of their pc

you dont! cause you never learn to predict movement of real players.

sry i find that to be bad advice 90% of all clans are just full of opeople who are fond of themseleves and nothing more. i gurantee you he will get tons of bad advice n'stuf that way. asking for help on the forums is the right way cause you always get diffrent opinions and with a bit of brain and later experiance you usually can figure /puzzle together the best advice

invis firing atlanta...

*cough* german cruisers also while nice torps are nice even best torps wont improve a ship(cruiser) whose main armament is bad to a level where its competetive or fun. yeah i dont like the inconsistent german AP too, i feel like the horrible bounce behavior of german AP is holding the cruisers back from beeing actually decent ships.

how is saying one of the best like i even explained what is one of the best to me, superior which means THE BEST....

well since the rest of the post looks like solid info i guess its probably something that was said. 2 well i could imagine that. but what to buff? only thing i can think of is buffing the horible air drag, which i guess is intentional because they wanted create cruisers that specialize in penning deck armor.

i never said superrior. in my view of things i account for it beeing a new tech that was just developed, which means that (just doing an abstact example) radar of natioin A and B can be described as the best even if the radar of A is 2x as good as B's in absolute numbers. because its just way ahead of what nations C,D and E had (which might not even have it at all) its due to the fact that advances in new tech are made verry rapidly meaning, its way to much dependant on the point in time.

[quote name= WoWS: TAP Insider News (30-III-2017) 2017-03-30 ~ SEBASTIANUL -The French line testing is going way better than with the horrible RN floating citadel boxes. Really???????

yes and ? i never said it was the best just said it was one of the best at its time... even if it was based on british tech. my argument just was that the french probably did not have something compareable at that time. and if it was prob something they got from the US like the later refit to jean barte. thats why i would find it verrry strange to give the french radar and not even alow a german premium one that actually had state of the art tech. (although im no eexpert on that matter, so feel free to correct me on that)