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Still not as sadistic as the last Wyoming I saw on the enemy team. Divisioned with a Giulio Cesare giving a nice free Devastating Strike to our Nagato before it was in range to do anything.

https://imgur.com/4c4ZEwZ There. Anything else?

That's not how you angle... you want to angle at around 30 degrees, not bow on. That's a T8 to T10 BB thing against other ships not named Yamato but don't try it before tier 8 please...

Faster shell speed, flatter shell arcs and ship to ship shells.

I'm interested in how they exactly plan to "rework" a mechanic that instantly kills you at random... Detonations don't need any rework. Detonations need to off.

That idea for AP could be nice to. And at high tiers weird experiments with IFHE for secondaries kinda work (unless we're talking about something extreme like Kii with those 100mm secondaries that yes, won't do much regardless of IFHE or not. But 150mm like the German BB ones for example have show to take some profit from IFHE. And without it at tier 9 and 10 they're pretty much useless outside of the lucky RNG fire. The problem is that wasting 4 points for that is retarded because it limits a lot of points for a viable captain build outside of just testing purposes of "what happens to secondaries with IFHE?". Aeroon for example made a few tests, in training room and even in actual battles but that not a serious decision you can really do, you waste so much skill points for that. No one can take that and lose a bunch of other very important skills for that, but without it even German BBs that are supposed to be good brawlers and take good profit of their secondaries feel useless with a secondary build. Sure, you have and insane secondary range but the damage out of it depends of which how many fires RNG bless you which is really bad. You'll be punished enough in a T10 match if you try to push to get in secondary range getting focused because of that to on top of that your secondaries being unreliable at best. That's why no one at tier 9 or 10 bothers getting close even with German BBs that are supposed to be good at it.

What would be the change for cruisers? Secondary guns are fine already pen cruiser armor, (except a few exceptions in some parts of the ship) the extra pen won't change much against them. They'll still pen regardless and damage will be the same since the shell either pen and deals damage or is blocked and does 0 damage. The benefit from my idea would be that BBs, would be less immune to direct damage from secondary guns of other BBs by the sheer volume of armor blocking the secondary gun shells making them deal 0 damage.

Make secondaries work like they have IFHE by default, like German cruisers. Right now at higher tiers even if you spec for a full secondary build and attempt to brawl the secondary guns are so small to really do anything against other battleships with the amount of armor they have. Praying for fires is not enough to make those builds viable at tier 9 or 10 even if you'd want to try to brawl and make use of the secondaries. Even for tier 8 considering how uptiered they are. That would also give an incentive to (well, for some people at least) actually brawl be less passive and pushing for BBs more rewarding at high tiers.

Would be nice to see IFHE applied to all BB secondaries like they did for the German cruisers. You know, to allow them to do some actual damage if you make the effort to make a secondary build at tier 9 and 10 when the shells can't pen the armor of pretty much any of the armor of BBs there so you're just there doing nothing with your secondaries praying to the RNG gods for the fires which is kinda lame and makes secondary buils useless at high tiers. Because who needs incentives to get close and brawl in a BB after all, right?

All that for the crap Duke of York? Lol. A shame I won't have that much time to do it for the Scharnhorst camo though, but well, whatever. Not going to bother with the campaign at all.

Pfff... If a DD gets killed that hard by an Atlanta it's either by a good ambush of the Atlanta to get at 9 km or less or just being a potato not paying attention to the minimap and let yourself that close. At 10 km and Atlanta will have nightmares hitting any DD making the slightliest effort to dodge the incoming shells. Hell, I sometimes do it with a damn BB... IMO Atlanta is a weird mix of a ship where you can have battles that are a lot of fun but it's not an enjoyable ship. Or maybe it's me that I the same relation with earth-satellite shells that water and oil. Anyways, for those worried about Atlanta being removed from the techtree I don't think the ship will not be available in the premium shop so people can still get Atlanta there.

Well, Missouri looks that way too and they're going to remove it. It's supposed to be a permanent campaign as others said already but I woudn't be that certain anymore.

What? You ask for a not downtiered IJN BB?? With equal gun parameters even?! Blasphemy!!

Don't worry about not being able to buy the König Albert. Albany's there again to save the day.

Yes, I bought her and it get's the job done at T6 even with those shells since she overmatch pretty much anything anyways, but anyways that doesn't mean that it still is an old stock hull Nagato downtiered and with 4 torps pretending to be a "flavor" like they try with Duke of York now. Don't know aboutAshitaka since I don't own her but I expect that those shells will suffer more dealing damage to higher tiered BBs. I never discussed that. But even performing well doesn't remove the fact that they're copies of old hulls a tier lower where yes, they have a better time than back in the day and in my book that still is a lazy idea. Even with IJN obvious problems with BBs in particular offerening more ships that are not yet represented in the game doing something like Ishizuchi, a design never actually build would have been better than rescuing a removed model put a lazy minimal change on it and "there, new premium, happy?" I mean... looking at those two downtiered ships and what they will do with Musashi which would be a really good ship to do something really good with her and give her as a reward for ranked like what looks like Salem will be, but no. Let's wreck an awesome ship, one of the most famous in the world because it's japanese. I never thought I'd say that but even the extreme lazyness shown making a blatant copy paste with laughable "changes" like Prinz Eugen was better than what they've done with the IJN ships. It's bad even when you consider looking at what they do, do you really hope for a new IJN premium BB? I'm not even interested in if they plan something at this point, what's the better that can happen? Know who's gonna be the next ship to be lazy nerfed to be downtiered?

I don't know, Mutsu being a clone of Nagato's old stock hull with mini torps slapped on it to give her "something" and Ashitaka being a clone of Amagi's old stock hull again? I still find amusing how they forgot how they removed those stock hulls because they were too bad and frustrating to play (specially Amagi) but then they release them again with a price tag.

At least is nice to see that nerfed clones is not just and IJN thing.

Yup, I have to admit that I abused that a lot back when Tirpitz have a way shorter secondary range than Bismarck, even if that was for pure fun and trolling part of the enemy team in chasing a blinking well armored BB and citadeling the ones showing broadside when they forgot about me or simply quit the chase. In game, more seriously is a very valid tactic for BBs and that why you see that almost every BB goes for the stealth build even if it's a BB. You either gain more room to close to enemies to a good position close enough to make more difficult to evade your shots and then you can easily can blink in and out of vision and angle before attacking a BB, reposition, repair and heal... whatever you need. Now new BBs like the Conqueror specially with it's absurd concealment for a BB make that very dangerous against anything else and allow them to get away with it very easily when back in the day when only Yamato and Montana where in the game they could do that a bit but even with a stealth build they can't sneak undetected to 10 km like Conqueror where then they can just nuke anything they get broadside at that distance. Or in Conqueror's case just camp far away using HE if the player wants that doesn't care about angles or doesn't lose efectiveness from range and just get undetected again when you noticed you're being hit by one and turn your attention to it.

Isn't the concealment penalty 20 seconds?

Isn't that how it works?

Ok guys, this is it. We'll get this problem solved in a few days. Look at this poor BB here. That's our beloved Kongo, such a marvelous BB that ate 16492 damage from a single shell. From this Mutsu, that looks that now deals 16492 damage per citadel, not 12400. Stop the Kongo abuse, WG. This can't happen to a BB. Fix this crap now.

Well, WG isn't really known for admitting their bad design of the game, be it detonations, BB balance, CVs, the existance of tears of the cruisers and so on. What makes you still think that calling them out would change anything? They don't care at all. Don't you remember that they once said that their beloved statistic numbers doesn't track that many people log out of the game after being detonated? They won't ever move a finger about it because they expect people to throw their PC out of the window for them to track the disconnection from the game and make them say "oh, that guy must be mad for the detonation, maybe it was frustrating enough". We're just throwing stones to a mountain expecting something to happen.

Ending the trend of releasing downtiered versions of current silver IJN BBs as premium ships would be really nice. It's boring at this point and makes player lose all interest in new IJN premium releases. Instead of being interested on what will be the next new IJN premium it's turning in a "let's see what will be the next silver ship they nerf and release as a premium". Maybe as was suggested here on the forums releasing a late war refited Kongo class or even an IJN design that was never build sinces there's not much IJN has to offer at those tiers in terms of BBs at those tiers that was actually build, whatever, I don't really care, but something tier 6 or higher that's not a worse or identical copy paste of one of the silver IJN BBs would be really nice. And while we're at it we could have a premium IJN BB without nerfed guns and shells maybe some people would cry of joy.

The only thing I don't understand of Graf Spee and Scharnhorst guns is... same caliber, same HE shells... but then Graf Spee has better AP shells than Scharnhorst. Hmmmmm....

HSF new collaborations seems to be another camo for Harekaze and a camo for Yamato. That's Asashio from Kantai Colletion, not HSF.