Shirakami_Kon

Just imagine when it gets implemented forcing players to play co-op without still any fix now or in any foreseeable future about the credit income and "playability" of that mode. I can't wait for the shitstorm that's coming.

Meh, if you ask me, no matter how few CVs I see in matches I still hate every one of them and want to get rid of any plane coming my way to mess up my game. Also, as a BB I'm enough of a lucky bastard to know how to sail around with DDs around and even push bit by bit if it's not a suicidal rush against three of them, but even against two I can pull that off if needed. It's actually funny to trigger them until they show themselves because how close they come to torp me out of frustration only to get focused. And if I can do that with a BB don't get me started with a more maneurable cruiser, so yeah, even if CVs are rare I'll take Def. AA any day anyways.

Basically, the topic title. I wasn't there when it was a thing, but starting this game early in the open beta I kinda heard all about Mogami being T7 back in the day and to put it that way, people crying about 15 guns on a cruiser at T7, how OP that was (part of which was only because how captain skills worked at the time with Mogami guns), BBs crying about the HE spam (more than nowadays) so Mogami is T8 as we all know her today. And now considering that I had to admit I was really surprised to see the new T7 american CL, Helena, almost a Mogami with an american flag slapped on it... at T7. Even more when today I saw the ST buff reducing the guns reload form 10 seconds like Mogami to 8'5. And that being fine it seems... at T7. So yes, my only question to WG is the title. Mogami back to T7 when?

Just checked myself, btw @loppantorkel and you're right, Mogami is currently 6th out of the 10 T8 cruisers both in WR and average damage so could be worse. But well, I don't really expect that much that WG's going to change Mogami's tier because of Helena. It's true that each new line being stronger and making the older ones more and more obsolute, so it would be just as usual as pointed out, but maybe obviously nerfing her as it was said, Mogami could be "balanced Helena style" with nerfs according to downgrading her a tier it could work.

Well, depends on the ship and/or situation.

Mmm... well, yeah, I guess I'll have to agrre that facing a Mogami with a T5 wouldn't be fun at all thinking about it, but... well, that's kind of the point, Mogami would be a nightmare to face with a T5, but even with @loppantorkel argument about USN shell arcs wouldn't a Helena be the same anyways? That's why I was surprised seeing Helena as a T7 as said in the topic OP. Mogami was monstruous in the day because of how commander skill worked, but the real "OP" thing of the ship itself is having 15 guns, which isn't fun at all to fight againts when downtiered against that. I agree with you that maybe how frustrating are to play most T8 ships today is what made me think of the idea of returning Mogami to T7. To be honest even if I don't play cruisers for quite some time when I started the game, not even having idea what a Yamato was after looking the ships we had back in the day Mogami was the first thing I aimed at so maybe I'm a bit "biased" about her because of that so I'd be happy to see her at T7 nonetheless.

Haven't checked, honestly. I'll guess not just by your question, but my question was just because Mogami was once a T7. Your argument of Mogami being ok at T8 it's perfectly valid, I'm even surprised it wasn't the first thing to come up. But yeah, I'm just curious remembering how back in the day Mogami was such a problem and now we have Helena is at T7. I also understand that the game changed A LOT since Mogami being a T7 so Helena isn't really a problem at T7 now but well, I don't really have that much faith that Mogami will ever be a T7 again, but if that were to happen I wouldn't complain either. It's just that it would be nice, right?

True, but that's why I pointed out that Mogami was so OP back then mainly because how the commander skills worked with that caliber of guns back in the day. AFT worked to a max of 155 mm caliber guns, just like Mogami guns, BFT and EM too and sure with steathfiring on top of that Mogami was a monster. But with the guns related skills not working anymore on Mogami she was pretty balanced again, sure, she still has 15 guns and you still have to have some respect for that and don't just run in range of a Mogami with decend island cover if you don't want to be quickly farmed but looking at Helena just the sheer massive amount of guns it's not the problem for a ship not being T7, that's why I started wondering again what's the problem with returning Mogami to T7 again now. Considering the USN cruiser split I even thought that the IJN had a few CLs, not sure if enough for a line, but maybe there's a possibility to see a split of CLs and CAs for the IJN in the future that changes the current line a bit too?

Not that I see the emblems of other much, I'm still shocked at my own 51% survival rating, so for me every time I see one fells like someone yelling " FINALLY! IN YOUR FACE! LOOK AT MEEEEEE I KILLED YOU!!1!"

When can we lay our hands on Tone?

Yeah, but apparently most people are still scared of how high it is. Even if it's lower than when you were sunk before it was a fixed cost. And let's not get started with people that still haven't noticed it's a fixed cost.

The few times I played in the PTS it was also like that. Basically not having to care about credits removes a lot of the fears of people about getting damaged in high tiers. That's why a lot of people suddenly just push caps even if under enemy fire and just play for objectives and has fun as you said without even being toxic about dying because there's nothing really to worry about how punished you'll get by credits in the PTS and you can just have fun and have a blast each game at the slightest sign of knowing what you're doing. And that's about it. Sure, some battles are shorter and sometimes a team makes mistakes because of yolo rushing middle, but even with that games there lot more fun than what we have in the regular servers where everyone just hides, camps and makes battles last the whole 20 minutes for no reason. I find the PTS to be a lot better than the "final game" most of the time.

My bet is that the ship will probably a reward for being rank 1 in I-already-lost-count-on-how-many-seasons-that-would-be. If they ever sell T10 ships it would be the very first one, same goes for free XP, they're all T9 ships, so I really doubt that Salem would be a regular that you just can buy.

So they finally admit it's not a bug as some of us (me included) expected? And a "feature" they say would be troublesome to remove? Well then, no need to hear more. Goodbye guys. I'm done with all this stupidity.

Meh, I still remember why I started following Flamu's channel. He was a very aggresive player back then and his battles were REALLY enjoying to see. I agree that nowadays it's a thing that I really miss about him unless for his ocassional DD match, but yeah, I really used to like how he used to just charge in, without island cover and wreck anything... in a cruiser. Hilarious isn't it, considering how things are today? Maybe has something to do why he moans about it while showing a match we're he just camps and gets rewarded a lot by it because it's the only rewarded thing now.

I'd like having it. I'd like to have something that maybe would give me a meaning to play cruisers again that are not the RN ones which I don't like. Who cares about the possible unbalance this brings when anyway more often than not you are outspotted by BBs anyways if both ships go for full concealment build anyways? Cruisers are the worse ships in the game, they're outspotted by everything else, can try but can't dodge incoming fire like DDs and can't tank like BBs. And I don't like this idea of "well then kemp smoke" of the RN ones.

No, specially with Bismarck and Tirpitz, range and accuracy are good with the full build but the tier is the problem, if you can get a DD spotted in range they do something, but cruisers will run away from you to see much use against them and you'll be playing almost perma T10 against BBs with enough armor to laught at your secondaries. I literally had once a Montana 4 minutes under my secondaries and wasn't even botthering to move or even fire back at me. Secondaries did NOTHING (3000 something damage) the only damage came from 3 fires he just healed so even if German BBs are the line supposed to be good at secondaries I won't recomend it. They're pretty much useless besides the lucky fires.

Deleting BBs in one salvo has been (or at least it was) always an option if you caught one broadside. Of course it was RNG because of the amount of citadels you need for that but I myself had the chance a few times the chance to delete a full health Montana, Yamato, and Iowa. Pretty sure that even if it's difficult to hit the citadel a Conqueror is no exception except maybe the mighty Germans and their strong German engineering armor. Even if you're a BB being broadside is bad play, sometimes you get flanked and you can't prevent showing broadside to someone, but you get the idea. When I play BBs I try to always be angled no matter what BB I'm in and when I want to use all my guns I open just enough to do so, fire and then angle again. The reload is usually 30 seconds so there's no need to broadside that long anyways.

BBs showing broadside getting rekt are now a surprise, huh...? I'm not sure if "sad" is enough to define how wrong this game has gone with all this stupidity.

No. We're just peaceful people arond here. We just shoot at the red ones and forget about them afterwards.

I can almost see the usual team that completely rolls over the other one in no time and a CV chased by 5 DDs or something like that.

I'm curious about how long that match was.

Not something I would really recommend but something I did the few times I accidentally got pink like you is get all the tier 1 ships with 0 credit cost post battle and queue all of them in battle. And yeah, leave the battle, get next one, rinse and repeat. I woudn't even think of doing it in higher tiers but meh, what's the worst that can happen in a T1 match? Even if you do nothing in the battle it still counts as a battle played towards the penalty reduction and it's completely sure you won't accidentally hit someone with anything since your awesome T1 is just sitting there doing nothing.

And what exactly makes that any ship that sinks you within 10 minutes is fair but if it's a CV not fair? Something that shoudn't even happen? As others said you have fighters to defend yourself against air strikes and a nice minimap, or even full screen map that CVs tend to use to be aware of that if you look at it.

Kraken unleashed!