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No, I mean, I was quite baffled. "Here is an idea. Lets remove your concealment so you are always spotted first, BUT we will give you a chance to dodge all that shells that are fired upon you. It doesn't matter that with your retarded arcs you cannot shoot back at anything, but at least you can survive longer while not being to fight back." Yea, lets see how that will work out. My guess is at least 50% increase in terms of avg damage in next few weeks after the patch release. I mean, currently there are 3 (?) things they are good at? - DD hunting - Des Moines is good at that, NO and Balti are not actually because of 15 sec reload, aka 2 salvos before your radar expires - AA cover - brawling So how in the name of God and everything holy will ditching concealment help in ANY of the things they are good at, or improving the things they are bad at (except for ok, eating huge damage from every BB shell will be a bit lowered if you manage to dodge few more shells then before.)

You guys are really bored, huh?

Why would I want to push in if cruiser can just run circles around me, and my guns cant follow her to shoot at her?I'd rather snipe then...

Oh my God. This is whole new level of... how to put it politely... nonsense... And for your lolraping, your St. Louis vs my Kongo (only t5 BB I own at the moment). Just say where and when. (I assume there are few more people here that would like to give you a chance to prove that statement of yours)

Honestly, German and American cruiser line suffers the most in the current meta, while Russian and Japanese ones are much better equipped for the current state. German line focuses more on Ap shells wrecking cruisers (and battleships) giving you broadside, so you can delete cruisers / punish BBs. The problem is, in current meta you cannot get yourself in a good position to shoot broadside BBs often enough, while cruisers are too few to actually focus on them. While Russian cruisers have great range (16km), great shell arcs (flat arcs that allow you to reliably hit things from that range) and great fire chance so you can burn down enemy BBs from somewhat safe ranges, while Japanese cruisers have their nuclear HE shells that will do large amount of damage / will set a large amount of fires even on enemy BBs when they are angled. But I do agree with you that this is definitly not a good time to learn how to play cruisers, because games are too punishing for every single mistake you make... (btw I know my last post was idealistic, thats why I've put disclaimer on it that sadly it just doesn't work like that in games because people refuse to play as a team )

First things first (from all that you wrote). 1) you got yourself in a bad situation 2) you were far away from the rest of your team (a big NO NO for a squishy cruiser) 3) your CV should follow the fleet and not stay alone at empty flank 4) you and your cv should be able to deal with some DDs 5) if your whole team was together and providing cover for each other, CV cannot strike any of you so easily, DDs cannot rush anyone without getting focused down and blown out of the water. But, its a low tier game, you cannot expect people to do anything else but tunnel vision and shoot 1 thing they put their eyes on completely ignoring the rest of the map (happens in a high tier games as well sadly)

From everything you counted I can only see nerfing AP pen as a valid way to make people come closer in BBs.

And while you are at it, please add Port of Saldanha Bay for no apparent reason.

I find it stupid too, but thats completely different thing...

For a fact I've seen DD take 9 torps and live.Now go check why does it happens and stop acting like DDs are tankiest class in the game since they are not. Period. And once again, stop spreading false information, since you have 5,3 k battles, you should know something about game mechanics.

Once again you are spreading false info.Every ship has it.

You do understand that torps got nerfed hard, and over and over again in last lets say 6 months? Nowadays if you eat 5 torps in a BB you screwed up something really bad. Heck, most of times if you eat 2 torps in a battle its pretty much your own fault...

I've set him up in the reserve.

that Midways having a field day In all seriousness, its not fun to even play BB when only things you can shoot at are other BBs...

There is a stat that shows range from what you usually shoot? Could you provide me with a link to that site? The ones I'm usually using don't have that stats implemented yet :/

Just for the reference how much Amagis credit earning is screwed up (I've posted this pic in the first topic as well). NOTE: 5/7 kills are cruisers, so no, I didn't shoot at BBs only... 200K damage, 7 kills and (only) 270k creds. For comparison, this is my last game in Bayern (2 tiers lower ship). 84k damage, 4 kills, 2 of them are cruisers... 220 k credits earned (only 50k difference, aka 1/5 difference for more then double the damage and almost double the kills...)

Des Moines is probably 3x better cruiser then Baltimore.Just saying...

Nah, you just made that up. Balti / Des Moines have excelent shell velocity / arcs and everyone saying otherwise is just delusional

Well, if they are angling, you are dealing consistent 500 damage salvos against them. But at least you are consistent And last time I checked, your Hipper had HE as well Btw, BBs do have potent HE (shhh, don't spread that around, let me bounce off their AP shells) unless RNG gives you a middle finger and you potently drop that shells in a sea 10km away from your initial target

few days ago got detonated by a single shell from some guys secondaries. fun times

well, he did say he UNLOCKED 39 cruisers, not that he PLAYED them...

Hmmm not versatile? I'm not sure you know what versatile mean... They have good / great AA with defensive AA. They have consistent damage. They have good accuracy. They have good speed. They have good maneuverability... You see, they are jack of all trades. Good at lots of things, not great at one (except for AA). And thats what versatile means... Once again, just to make my opinion clear, yes, they are in a tough spot at the moment, they are hard to play, but don't take away from them things that they actually posses... @Domin1c: yup, that overmatch is annoying as hell. Yesterday Yamato took away half hp away from my Des Moines by scoring double citadel + few normal pens from 18km away trough my bow... Thats simply bad to say at least...

god damn, allready tought someone has died... PHEW, you scared me son...

Even bigger problem are those 0 damage salvos I hammer into the ocean next to the Khabarovsk every 6 seconds

Me playing Des Moines (DD hunter or whatever): - Enemy destroyer detected! - Woohoo, lets shoot something - Oh its Khabarovsk. - Oh its 11 km away? Nothing to see here, move on... sadly, but you can simply ignore him until hes like 8km away from you...