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Last time I checked great cruiser players stats, they were all performing better in other cruisers then in USN ones. (too lazy to check them again tbh) And every time there was a discussion about cruisers, they agreed USN ones are just not as good as their counterparts. And now, although all of nations have their "flavour", my opinion is that if you are a good cruiser captain, you will do good in all cruisers. But, if you are a good cruiser captain, and you are pulling 20k avg damage more on one cruiser then on the other one, thats not really an issue with a player anymore... So, that higher skill requirement only reads that you have to work a lot harder to produce same (not better) results in USN cruiser then in their counterpart, which in my mind translates that they are underperforming.

Jesus Spithas, read what I've wrote, then try to bash me... let me repeat myself: USN cruisers are underperforming for a LONG time, not just in current meta. BEFORE, whenever someone said anything about them underperforming, WGs usual response was that what they lack in other things is compromised with their great AA, so their role in this game is to be AA platforms. Nowadays, even their AA role is a relict of the past, and yet, WGs only buff to them was to give them radar. Now, since Mr.Conway also said that WG is balancing ships purely by stats (their overall performance), its quite strange that you say "only Baltimore is underperforming" when all of the t7-10 (DM and Hindenburg are close one) bottom places are reserved for USN cruisers. So, if they are balancing ships by stats, and stats clearly shows that USN cruisers are doing bad, and there is no more "AA platform" card to pull from WGs side, there is no reason for them to stay untouched.

and what on earth does that have with the reasoning I wrote in my post?PS: USN cruiser line consists of more ships, not only Des Moines.

Btw, just found the screen I took few days ago that sums up my Shchors playing experience perfectly in one picture (tip: look at the top right corner of the picture )

From my experience, I have much harder time (and always did have) HE spamming USN BBs then IJN ones. And now with the introduction of german BBs, my HE spamming fav targets are IJN>GER>USN. But thats as I said, only my personal experience, doesn't mean its completely true ofc. @Admiral_H_Nelson : 75k from fires, rest is from HE shells. And I know I'm not gonna do a lot of damage from HE shells alone, thats where the fires kick in to melt someone down. I've played 5 games yesterday with Shchors, had 100% WR (not that it matters a lot) with an average of 80k damage and 60% survivability... Considering I had 1 completely fluke game where I did almost nothing (don't ask), you can do the math about 4 others... had 2 games over 100k damage, and 2 with... idk... 70 - 80 k.... Thats with a t7 cruiser for gods sake, the ships that were averaging 40k damage... So while everyone is ditching cruisers and marking them as useless, I'm still happily sailing around burning that big meanies down... And yea, the moment that pissed me off the most yesterday when I caught 1 random BB shell (dispersion ftw), barely scratching my stern and ofc citadeling and killing me... because of why the hell not, right...

Derpitz can be (AND IS) bought by people having 30 overal games in WoWs, 5 of them being in BBs. So you cannot expect that people to do good in high tier BBs.

this evening.

well, I hold my point that their are underperforming because they are simply bad. I played this game when the meta was completely different, and they were underperforming even then. But then every time someone said anything about USN cruisers, WG would response with "OOH BUT THEY HAVE AA!!!" - They don't have torps - BUT THEY HAVE AA!!!! - Their shell arcs suck, they cannot fight properly - BUT THEY HAVE AA!!!! - its Tuesday - BUT THEY HAVE AA HUR DUR!!!! well, nowadays german cruisers have great AA too, USN BBS have great AA, german BBs have good AA, my grandma has good AA, so they lost their only role in this game, but WG aint giving a single f**k about them anyway... Now its the meta? nah...

The problem is, they are underperforming since the dawn of humanity. Ok, they gave em radar... and thats it... so "lets wait and see" for another 2 years or so is not really a valid answer when you take everything into consideration...

Thanks for your elaboration, and have a good night.

~136k damage, witherer and high caliber... Not bad for a t7 cruiser (cruisers are useless nowadays anyway).

Only on REALLY poorly armored ships. Aka low tier cruisers / carriers.

Hit the superstructure, not the heavier armored parts... Simple as that.

Didn't really have much problems grinding USN DD line to Benson (Benson was my goal from the get go). And Benson is an excelent ship, so even having patience with 1 ship you dislike will be rewarded later on

So Khaba has best guns, Gearing is second, and Shimakaze is third. Whats your point?

You can hit trough the water with BB shells, and while some people actually advised it because shells will slow down and detonate inside cruisers instead of overpenetrating them, I'm always aiming close to the waterline because I'd rather take 2 normal penetrating hits, then all of my shells falling harmlesly into water.

Thats what happens when you allow potato with 5 games in a cruiser to buy t8 cruiser and participate in t8-10 matches. Yea, he will do great... Not...

nope, I DID NOT KS! I just made that cruicial 1.7k damage to him Anyway, killing all of their DDs alone (100% damage done by me) and solo capping 2 caps is pretty enough by itself

Well, we were talking about damage / torp hits and all that, thats why I've pointed out that Minekaze feels more useful and has a good avg damage because its more forgiving. aka you can literary spam your torps, and you don't have to wait 5 mins for them to reload and for you to get back into position just to drop them and then notice you will miss because your target touched his keyboard exactly 2 sec after you dropped them in the water...

Single handedly killed 3 enemy DDs (Fletcher, Kiev and Mahan) in Benson, torped and killed Kutuzov, and "secured" kill on Gneisenau for kraken. Guess thats how you carry a team...

And you cannot continuously drop torps with minekaze? Come on mate, you have 500 battles on it, don't speak such a nonsense...And as I said, I would like to see some replay of yours so I can learn how to smoke my tier5 team with Minekaze.

Wow really? I don't think continuously means what you think it means. You cannot glue yourself to enemy BB and drop torps every 40-50 secs while staying undetected? (With Minekaze ofc) And you know the difference of dodging torps every 2.5 mins (aka touching your keyboard every 2 mins) and dodging torps every 40-50 sec? Jesus, Minekaze can drop torps like what, 5 seconds after last ones have ran out, and yes, that means she can continuously spam them on you. Heck you can afford yourself to drop blind torps all around your target and you will eventually sink him with few random torp hits. You cannot afford that when your torps are on cooldown for 2.5 mins, because you want every torp drop to count. edit: and considering the 2nd part of the post, I should really check some of your Minekaze replays, since you are doing a lot of things in Minekaze. Especially when you consider its tier 5. The "smoking for your team" part is the best one I have to say. Have yet to learn how to smoke my tier 5 team with Jap smoke.

Well when you loose 1/3 of your HP after you have dodged someones volley, you start remembering that kind of things and start valuing "not getting shot at at all" a lot more then "pray for RNG not to screw you up"... Buuuuut, lets not derail this into BBs RNG topic, shall we

Had that in mind when I was writing my post, because that happens too god damn often. Thats why I wrote it will only be lowered and you will dodge few more shells, instead of completely negating the damage. Honestly, if I got a doubloon for every time I got hit by a stray BB shell, I could buy whole premium tech three for free -.-'

The main difference between Minekaze and t8+ is the amount of torps you can drop in a given time. While Minekaze can spam her torps every what, 40 seconds? (too lazy to go and check ingame), so even if you miss one volley you can just continuosly spam them until you get a hit, while in high tiers you need 2.5 freaking mins for your torps to reload. So getting into good position to drop torps, dropping them, seeing they missed, then waiting for 2.5 mins for reload and getting back into good position to drop another volley is completely different story.