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Hey don't get me wrong dude - I have loads of respect for you. Which is why I hold you to high standards. You are usually quite constructive, even when you disagree with stuff. I don't think I've ever read a post from you where I didn't shake my head and go "yeah, I see his point... even if I disagree with it, I get it". What I am saying is this doesn't fit your usual behavior. For example, I loved your previous thread discussing WGs plans and that. That was one of the best and most constructive things to come out of this forum. I do apologize as reading through what I wrote, it does seem like I am sort of attacking you. That's certainly not my intention at all. I think you are an asset to the community and I hope you will continue doing what you do.

Also rude, toxic and on top of everything else has no idea how quoting works.

See I think there are arguments. I think the situation is unfortunate but I see plenty of reasons for it. However, what is the point of me debating this when everyone here seems to have already made up their minds? Also, to be fair, I used ranked only as an example that this community will always complain profusely about everything. If it's not one group then it's another. I've probably been guilty of this as well.

Yeah only I don't remember choosing you to represent me as a paying player/customer. In fact because of the way you express yourself, you don't represent me at all. And pretending the two topics aren't linked is a tad dishonest. But hey, here we are. You got your thread.

We also obviously need multiple threads on the same topic because of reasons.

There's so much vitriol and toxicity that even if someone didn't have the same opinions as the more vocal members of our community, they might not voice their opinion anyway. No matter what WG do, there will always be people that will be upset. Like ranked - nobody forces people to participate in that, yet every damn season we have waves of tears on this forum about how horrible ranked is. Point is, just because you don't see people of different opinions, it doesn't mean they don't exist.

ran into @Jethro_Grey the other day. Good match that we won in around 10 mins.

So a Conqueror looked my way and I got so excited that I simply blew up... But seriously, can we at least get detonated only when shells actually hit us, please? I mean no shells landed on me whatsoever. They didn't even look that close!

I think that we do need to keep one thing in mind, which is that his teammates have no idea that the OP has a condition that is impacting his performance. So all they see is someone making questionable decisions that, after checking has 46% wr. It probably seems more like OP is simply not learning to be better at the game. The other aspect is that DDs simply aren't made for people that cannot use the minimap and have twitch reactions to stuff. I genuinely think that OP could make a decent, maybe even above average BB player but his condition is a fundamental barrier when playing DDs. I agree that bullying someone won't help them improve but I suspect people just get frustrated and react is weird ways. Not excusing it in any way though. That said, I'll div with you OP, if you want - I can teach you a thing or two about DDs in general and at the very least nobody will badger you if you play with me (we'll also win a bunch of matches so say hello to stat padding?)

You use shima because it has more torpedoes. I can't give you a lot of details, all I can say is that we've tested it quite a bit. We even tested one 12km shima and one 20km one. You would be surprised at just how many torpedoes the 20km shima actually lands.

@stewie533 You use the 20km Shima torps as area denial and to dislodge ships in hard to assail positions and lastly to force ships to make maneuvers that put them in significant danger from your team's guns. Also you cannot get under 10 km of people that can actually aim properly. You will just die. I think we shouldn't mix randoms with competitive though. I mean yes, in randoms, I am perfectly capable of carrying in more or less any DD (thank you for your kind words by the way) but that has a lot to do with the fact that teams are unorganized and a lot of people don't know how to aim. This is obviously not the case in competitive.

I think that all DDs will be viable to a certain extent but some much more so than others. That said, the Z52 is not a good choice due to the short range of the torpedoes and duration on the smoke. The Grozo is also not that great because again, short range torpedoes and to use its guns it will need selfish smokes. I am sure you will want longer range torpedo boats. In competitive, you cannot afford to get lit up by radar or plane spotted at 10km from the enemy fleet or you will get blown up. The Gearing will be viable because of its overall utility (long range torpedoes, def AA, long duration smoke) and the Shima with either 20km or 12km torpedoes for area denial will be viable despite its other weaknesses. I think that the PADD will make the Gearing fight for its spot so that remains to be seen. DDs in competitive are support boats first and foremost. DDs virtually never carry a match.

LOL, not even. No torps fired. I was peaceful, I promise

Nope, just saying I want to detonate when I actually get hit instead of magically exploding when an enemy ship randomly fires shells around me lol

I dunno man, don't want to be mean or anything but... read the thread before replying?

The point went so over your head that I literally cringed reading your reply. Let me spell it out for you so it's super clear: the point is getting detonated without being hit. It happened to be a Conqueror but it could have been any boat. It's meant to portray a situation that I found funny while also pointing out that getting detonated without even being hit is a bit brutal.

haha! and the match after the one in the picture, I got detonated in my Akizuki. 3 games that I'd rather forget. My team mate was stunned as was I because on my screen the conq shells landed a full ship length away from me. I think that's when he took the citadels. Living proof that when RNGesus is pissed off with you, you will have a bad time.

It depends a lot on the ships you play. I mostly main DDs which do seem to get detonated a lot more than the other 2 classes. But of course, getting detonated twice in a row is bad luck. I am only slightly annoyed at getting detonated without actually being hit. I don't even know if there's a historical basis for that. Like, if a ship ever went boom from splash damage.

I had 2 in a row yesterday. So your mileage may vary.

yeah this wasn't a dig at the Conq - I am still on the fence about it. This was more about getting detonated when a shell doesn't hit you. I mean yes, I get taking dmg from the splash but getting outright detonated seems a bit harsh to me.

Think of it this way. While you might call them out on their decisions and maybe call them idiots or something like that, someone else will fire off an n-word bomb and follow it up with some other horrible crap. I am sure we both agree that while the first is meh, the second is not acceptable. So allowing any sort of abuse is a slippery slope. On the other stuff, yeah I mean you could put all sorts of conditions but it becomes really difficult. You will not be able to foresee all situations either so proximity rules and that might be difficult to implement.

I fully take your points gents. Like I said the system is by no means perfect. I promise that I never actually cared about my Karma. I was pleasantly surprised when I found out I was on like 150 (which was about the first time I checked). I am not sure if a better system could be devised. I think that maybe if using your reports/complements would have some sort of incentive? Like if you'd get one of the crappy flags or something? And obviously cap it at one report/compliment per player per match. You had me up until the last point. Even if someone had a bad game, it doesn't mean he should suffer abuse. It's a damn game at the end of the day. Also detonations are a thing. I do kinda like your other suggestions.

I think CVs are much more susceptible than any other class. Like I see CVs getting reported all the damn time. For some reason, the expectations for CV players are much higher than the rest of the rank and file. At any rate, I think that's not wholly representative. Also how did you lose all your Karma? It doesn't matter if someone reports you 7 times, it will still count as a single report. Was he in a division or something?

How useful the number itself is is highly debatable. Don't put too much value on this sort of thing. It's indicative at most. Like I am baffled that someone like @mtm78 doesn't have really high Karma as he mostly seems like a decent dude. Mostly But people do have a point when they question the value of the reporting system. There is no feedback in place to let you know your reports have any effect. On a similar note, I always wondered if a system where, if you have higher karma, your reports have more weight, wouldn't be more effective. By that I mean that a player that has a Karma score of 10 and reports someone should have less of an impact than a report from someone that has a Karma score of 500. Like you would need to be reported 30 times by low Karma players but only 3 times by high Karma players before you got chat banned, for example. My reasoning is that a system like that would allow everyone to accrue Karma but it would also provide strong incentive for people to want to accrue Karma. And it's a way for the community to police itself. This would of course require some involvement from WG. There is of course a risk of high Karma players abusing their "power" but on the other hand, I imagine that someone with high Karma is less likely to be toxic or power-mad. Especially if an effective appeal system was in place where, if a high Karma player is proven to have miss used the reporting system, they would be penalized like 100 Karma or something. There are a couple of details that would need to be worked out but I'd quite like some early thoughts.

The truth is somewhere in the middle about Karma. You do get reported occasionally by salty enemies. You also do get reported by salty teammates. That doesn't invalidate the system altogether. I find I get complimented for playing well far more often than I get reported. Then again, I don't get that Kraken achievement that often lol! However I don't go AFK, I don't grief and I (mostly) try to be courteous in chat although, I will make fun of BBs going to D on North for example or 20km torp Shimas. I know I shouldn't but I can't help myself. I have around 300 Karma and I have never once asked for a compliment. In fact most people in Tora Tora Tora tend to have quite high Karma. I quite like the idea. It's soft pressure. *edited*