Capra76

Seems unlikely IMO, WG seem to have given up on CV completely now.

I guess most have just run out of things to say.

Personally I'm wondering if the game will still be around in 2-3 years time, it feels to me like it's gone into a pretty steep decline.

Are submarines ready? Wait, what am I thinking about?

Spreadsheet says you are having fun.

Exactly one use, which all other cruisers are almost as good at, and in all other respects they are . T8+ maybe might be okay, not confirmed, don't think it's worth the effort.

How about a forumite training battle to settle this? @El2aZeR and @Sunleader in t8 CV plus the anti-cv brigade against 2x afk/40% CV players plus @ColonelPete and anyone else who thinks this is "mostly fine". Maybe we could get one of the community contributors to stream it, maybe a best of 5 format or carry on until the pro-cv team wins/ragequits. Could be fun.

You see many Shima fighting for caps in your games?

Mostly fine.

Unfortunately, thanks to the business model, forcing new players to move away from T4 ASAP might be considered a success.

Did you spot the DD yourself?

One bit of paper to fill a gap at T4 in an otherwise complete line is a bit different to a line containing one real ship or fantasy T10's that mysteriously manage to outperform absolutely everything else in the game. Personally I find it a bit disappointing that WG seem to treat the fact that ships were actually built as an excuse to make them bad.

There's a 500+ page "CV rework discussion" thread that has been on the front page of the forum for a year now, yeah.............. you might've missed a thing or two.

Thing is I don't see how any of this is good for WG's business, the revenue they make off CV players must be miniscule and they must lose far more from surface players who quit the game thanks to them. I'd be really interested what x3 CV at T4 is doing to new player retention.

The difference is that radar cruisers bring indirect benefits to you in the DD, whereas CV are a pure cost that offers nothing back in return. Radar cruisers give BB something to shoot at thus bringing more straight-lining BB into the game for the DD to torpedo, Asashio brings in more CA to give the cruisers something to shoot at, CV just on everything.

But then CV players don't even need to be good to have a huge effect on how the game plays out, their mere presence dictates what other ships can do.

Are the new MM rules in place yet? Playing on the PT server, MM seems to be having a hard time forming matches even when there's a seemingly healthy queue.

TBH I'm not convinced they're that good against DD either, sure you can get off huge salvos against them but the AP DPM is not much better than the HE DPM of most of its CA rivals, CL will just laugh at it, if your aim is anything less than perfect you're screwed, the concealment is terrible and there are no other tools to use against DD. All in all a bit of an odd line, high alpha low DPM makes it look like an ambush predator but then poor concealment works against that, counter DD but lacks the tools to do the job? Really just a mish-mash of ideas thrown together seemingly without any real thought.

Am I missing something here? There are 1,950 tokens available from the directives, plus a few more from elsewhere but I think I managed to get 2 boosters plus the 3 for gold on the first round of testing and I'm not sure that was enough to complete the build (did'nt get a chance to log in on Monday). Because the directives are complete from the first round there are no more tokens available and yet it is supposedly possible to complete the build twice. So how is it possible to complete in a day or two? Is there some other way to speed things up that I can't see? Edit: Aha...........

The trick seems to be to stay at range, aim high and try to land SAP shells on the deck of BB and use the improved penetration angles to get damage that way. Whether or not that makes them any good I'm not sure, the DPM still feels too low to me.

I'd go one further and limit them to 0.

Also there are two sides to the business equation, what WG gets out of selling reworked premium CVs balanced against what they lose from other revenue streams. If the revenue from CV is poor and WG are losing out from sales of premium time and premium surface ships then something will change.

30 - 40 games I reckon to get the basics, same again to get good and that's about it, even @El2aZeR AFAIK got to his level within a relatively small number of games. some prior understanding of game mechanics and strategy maybe required but even so this isn't typhoon league level stuff.

About 15 minutes. Key points: relative damage; potential damage; control points; AA; spotting; relative spotting damage.