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A lot will be lost if the forum closes and one has to wonder if all those who moved to Discord were active on the forum? What led people to leave the forum? At the moment there are 19k players on the European server, at one time there were 30k, why is this happening? Tired of the game? In my opinion, the forum should continue to function in the English language.

The decision to purchase warships, from the Provisional Government of the Struggle against the Ottoman Empire, was almost forced: The treasury of the revolutionaries could no longer bear to fight in the seas with hired ships, since their increased costs prohibited a more effective planning of operations and deprived many of the hopes for the final victory and Freedom. The choice of some of these ships to be steam-powered was quite bold for its time, since steam engines were then a very recent invention and none of the ships that used steam to move had yet fought, anywhere in the world. "Karteria" was the first of the ships of its kind to be involved in armed naval battles, perhaps to be a confirmation of the saying of Theodoros Kolokotronis that "if the Greeks were not crazy, we would never have made the Revolution". But, in addition to "crazy" Greeks, the National Rebirth was also served by some "foreigners" with a big heart and noble feelings, such as Frank Abney Hastings... The "sinful" beginning The "Karteria" (along with five other steamboats) was ordered with the money of the second Independence loan, signed in London in February 1825. The first and second Independence loans were scandalous, as of the 2,800,000 sterling of their nominal value, only... 750,000 was allocated to the Greek struggle. The rest of the amount, even though it was repaid in excess by the Greek Nation in the following decades, ended up in the pockets of shrewd "philhellenes" who hoarded from the interest, debt securities, commissions and investments in the London stock market. In addition to these, a large part of the war orders were never implemented, while the delays in the delivery of the then weapon systems made the reinforcement of the fighting Greeks almost inactive. As if this were not enough, the Greek brokers of the loans were unfairly accused, when in fact the only thing anyone could accuse them of is credulity and inexperience. In this climate, the "Karteria" was built with a dramatic delay, at Alexander Galloway's facilities in Depford, London, which at the same time were also carrying out orders of the... rival camp, representing the interests of the Egyptian Ibrahim. Suffice it to mention that the budget for the five steam ships was 160,000 pounds, of which 10,000 were spent on the construction of the "Karteria". It is sad to remember what happened to the remaining five ships: The two rotted on the banks of the Thames, the "Invincible" burned in sea trials, the "Epiheresi" and the "Hermes" arrived in Greece only in September of... 1828. After great suffering and pressure, the "Karteria" and Hastings arrived in Nafplio on September 3, 1826, almost five months after the fall of Messolonghi. The opportunity to help the "Free Besieged" of the city was thus lost, so that they would not have to go as far as self-sacrifice and the heroic Exodus. Hastings, a Greek Most capable officer of the British navy, Frank Abney Hastings, well-experienced in every kind of naval warfare and an excellent connoisseur of technical matters, following daring paths and shocked by the motto "Freedom or death" of the Greeks, came to our country and joined the Navy. He quickly gained the respect of the revolutionaries and it was he who, in 1823, suggested (first to Lord Byron) the acquisition of steam-powered warships. And when "Karteria" finally arrived in Greece, he was its first captain and the man who led it for two years to its first successes. Indeed, at his own expense and according to his own specifications and instructions, the boat's eight cannons were built. The courageous "Astigx" unfortunately had a short life: In 1828, during the operation of Aitolikos for the liberation of Messolonghi, he was seriously injured and died after a month, at the age of 34. The hero's heart is today buried in the Anglican church on Filellinon street. Karteria She was built in 1825, at the Greenland Dock (South) shipyard, Rotherhithe, London, by the shipbuilder Daniel Brent, on behalf of the Greek revolutionary navy, during the Revolution of 1821. She was the only one received, of the six ships of this type that had been ordered by Thomas Cochrane on behalf of the Greek revolutionary government. Karteria left England for Greece in early July 1826. During the voyage, a fire broke out on board the ship, rendering its engine useless. He reached Cagliari in Sardinia with the help of his sails. After its repair, it departed on August 22, 1826 and sailed on September 3, 1826 in Nafplion. His guns arrived in December of the same year. They were first sent to the USA from England and then to Greece, so as not to violate British neutrality. The ship entered operational readiness in Greece the same year. It was the world's first steam-powered warship. The first steam-powered warship ever built was the American USS Demologos, which was commissioned in 1813, had 30 guns but was never used in naval combat. The critical period for the Struggle from 1826 to 1828, it was the most powerful warship in the Mediterranean. Of course, her main advantage was that she could move and fire at enemy targets without waiting for a favorable wind to blow. Its autonomy, in its first "combatable" months, was a terror for the Turks: It is reported that, in April 1827, the defenders of the walls in the fortress of Bolos fled as soon as they saw it. But much later, when the Ottomans and their allies realized what exactly they were dealing with, they had to wait until "Karteria" dropped anchor to bombard her with any chance of success. The heroic ship (with a crew of 185 men, of whom 22 were gunners) managed to do a lot of damage with its howitzers to coastal and fortified defensive positions of the enemy, on almost all the war fronts of the revolutionary Greece. More successful than his operations are considered the destruction of a Turkish flotilla off Itea and the capture of the islet of Vasiladio outside Messolonghi, in December 1827. In addition to these, the ship also has to demonstrate the definitive restoration of Greek sovereignty in the Maliak gulf, where it attempted with the assistance of the sailing vessel "Hydra" in February 1829. Two more times, together with other ships of the fleet, he invaded the "wolf's den" of Amvrakikos gulf, ostentatiously ignoring the cannons of the fortress of Preveza and the nearby areas. It ceased to be used after 1830 due to the poor condition of its engines. After the liberation and the coming of King Otto, she was abandoned and individual efforts of the English engineer Alphonse Paris and the Bavarian army officer Weissebach did not save her. It remained rotting in the Naval Station and ceases to be mentioned in the state of the royal fleet in December 1841. "Karteria" was a heavy motor boat of 233 tons and 38.4 meters long. She had four masts with long rectangular sails plus the cantilever. In the middle of its two sides, it also had two large outer wheels which were driven by an 80 horsepower steam engine. This new technology allowed her to move in storms and headwinds developing a speed of three miles while her maximum speed was six miles in calm seas. It was a steam-powered wheeled gunboat powered by two small locomotives. However, she also had masts which enabled her to move with sails. Although she carried only 4 guns, these were powerful 68-pounders. With the help of her steam engines, her operators could ignite her cannon shells to be used as incendiaries. It is claimed by historians of the time that it was the first steam-powered ship to take part in war operations. As a motor boat it faced major problems due to its experimental technology. It was powered by two large rotating wheels with fixed blades on their circumference, like water mills, which were installed on both sides of it, in the middle of the ship, and were coupled to the corresponding steam engines. Due to a manufacturing error the thrust blades were not fully submerged in the water, resulting in reduced thrust. In order to make up for the lack of propulsion, the speed of rotation of the wheels had to be increased in order to increase the cruising speed. Thus, the engine boilers were deliberately overheated, with the risk of exploding. Another disadvantage it had was the need to use coal for combustion, because burning wood did not produce enough steam to power it. So coal had to be imported from Western Europe. Maximum speed: 7 knots. In addition it had 4 masts with sails . Armament: 4 68-pounder guns and 4 68-pounder carronades. Crew: 17 officers, 22 non-commissioned officers, 32 gunners and 4 cooks (auxiliary staff). figurehead of Karteria Frank Abney Hastings Karteria

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The Greek Navy has been stationed in the Middle East since April 1941 and continues on the side of the Allies in the war against the Axis Powers. It quickly emerged as the most valuable ally of the British, with the result that from 1942 new ships were given on loan to continue operating. The Officers and Crews of the Greek Navy pushed their ancient ships to their limits. The Greek submarines suffered losses in the raiding operations, with the result that Triton, Glaukos and Katsonis were lost. An unknown history of naval cruiser warfare is also the cases of Navy Schooners. In January 1943, the reserve vice-captain A. Londos, who had just arrived from Greece, had proposed to the leadership of the Greek Navy the creation of a flotilla of Schooners (small double-decker sailing ships, schooners) for raids in the Aegean. Since this proposal was not satisfied at first and Londos was placed with his application in the corps of British commandos. He trained there and then repeated his proposal, this time to the British naval authorities. The English admiral of the Mediterranean Andrew Browne Cunningham adopted her and in June 1943 created the British Levant Schooner Flotilla, with British crews, and Londos was placed in one of them with the duties of captain. In October of the same year, after many efforts due to the lack of Greek crews, as it was necessary to man the new ships, the 2nd Anglo-Greek Schooners flotilla was created, consisting of 8 Schooners in total, of which 6 were trehantiri type 7-18 tons and the other two larger 30-50 tons. Their mission was the commando operations in the Aegean (in collaboration with the commandos and the Greek Secret Band), the carrying out of detections, reconnaissance and patrols, as well as the continuous harassment of the enemy. The operations of these Schooners began in January 1944, while their base was Alexandria. From Alexandria, the ships sailed via Cyprus to Kastellorizo, which was the advance base of the raiding forces. As a base they used a deserted bay on the Turkish coast. They operated at night, while during the day they hid very close to the shores, camouflaged with nets, with which they became invisible even from a very close distance. Of their operations, the following is particularly worth mentioning: On 12/1/44, H26, captained by Chief Petty Officer N. Charalambopoulos, sailed from Alexandria and despite being ordered to return to Base on March 4, she voluntarily remained in the Aegean until May 6. During this time, he performed reconnaissance in the Dodecanese and the Sporades. On 25/3, the captain of H26 was ordered to board HDML-1252 along with two officers of the Secret Band . Outside Chios, the boat encountered a German chaser. He attacked it and flanking it, Charalambopoulos and Tombras jumped into it and captured the 8 armed Germans on board, Then, they towed the German chaser, which was equipped with an Oerlicon gun, a mg 42 machine gun , and also carried depth charges. In October 1944, the British launched Operation Manna, with which British military forces landed in Greece with the aim of distributing humanitarian aid but also establishing order in an environment with armed guerrilla groups. The London Schooner also participated in the operation. At the dawn of 11/10 the flotilla of half-ships arrived in Tinos, the next day in Kythnos and on 13 October anchored in Poros. There, Vice-Captain Londos was informed by the British naval commander of Poros that German troops had begun to evacuate Piraeus on the night of 12–13 October. It was decided that Londos should go for reconnaissance. At 13:30 on 13/10, boarding ML 46391 entered the port of Zea. The Germans had indeed evacuated the capital and Londos arranged for the evacuation from fishing boats of Zea Bay so that the ships of the schooner flotilla, the British ML (motor launch), and other light craft could dock. The disembarkation points of about 1,000 British troops were determined. Londos returned in the afternoon of 13/10 to Poros and from there on the morning of the following day, 14/10, the first allied force set out to liberate the capital and Piraeus. In front were eight MLs, followed by minesweepers sweeping the channel, further behind were nine schooners of the Greek flotilla and finally the troop transport ships , which carried the British military force.

@wgstaff Every time I see the events for independence days of different countries and the event for the end of the war and this is gratifying because we also learn a little history. But for the game there is no independence day for Greece on the one hand and on the other we as Greeks do not celebrate the end of the war but the beginning since our DNA is somehow programmed that way. The day of independence for Greece is March 25, 1821, it is the day the Greeks revolted against the Ottomans and after a long struggle the first Greek state was created, if you ask a Greek the day of the creation of the Greek state, I'm sure he doesn't know it (1830) , he knows independence day for sure. The second anniversary has to do with the beginning of the war the OXI DAY (NO DAY) , just like the first, on October 28, 1940, the Italian ambassador Grazzi delivered an ultimatum to the Greek Prime Minister, Ioannis Metaxa, requesting the surrender of Greece to the Axis powers, the Prime Minister's response immediately and without hesitation was "Alors. C'est la guerre" in French which was the diplomatic language of that time. The newspaper Estia in its special edition translates it as NO(ΟΧΙ) and the Greeks begin the battle against the Italians and Albanians initially and the Germans and Bulgarians later, a battle that will last 219 days for Greece. Until the end of the war for the Hellenic Royal Navy, infantry units that escaped to Alexandria and the National Resistance in mainland Greece. Those who deal with historical events know how the resistance and determination of Greece affected the evolution of the war against Germany and the Axis powers. I am convinced that all countries have a history similar to mine, but I think that Greece's independence day, March 25, 1821, and the OXI DAY (NO DAY) anniversary of October 28, 1940, should be in the game as events. @wg προσωπικό Κάθε φορά βλέπω τις εκδηλώσεις για τις ημέρες ανεξαρτησίας διαφόρων χωρών και το γεγονός για το τέλος του πολέμου και αυτό είναι ευχάριστο γιατί μαθαίνουμε και λίγη ιστορία. Όμως για το παιχνίδι δεν υπάρχει ημέρα ανεξαρτησίας για την Ελλάδα αφενός και αφετέρου εμείς ως Έλληνες δεν γιορτάζουμε το τέλος του πολέμου αλλά την αρχή μιας και το DNA μας είναι κατά κάποιο τρόπο προγραμματισμένο έτσι. Η ημέρα της ανεξαρτησίας της Ελλάδας είναι η 25η Μαρτίου 1821, είναι η μέρα που οι Έλληνες επαναστάτησαν κατά των Οθωμανών και μετά από πολύχρονο αγώνα δημιουργήθηκε το πρώτο ελληνικό κράτος, αν ρωτήσεις έναν Έλληνα την ημέρα δημιουργίας του ελληνικού κράτους, εγώ Είμαι σίγουρος ότι δεν το ξέρει (1830), ξέρει σίγουρα την ημέρα της ανεξαρτησίας. Η δεύτερη επέτειος έχει να κάνει με την έναρξη του πολέμου, όπως και η πρώτη, στις 28 Οκτωβρίου 1940, ο Ιταλός πρέσβης Γκράτσι επέδωσε τελεσίγραφο στον Έλληνα πρωθυπουργό, Ιωάννη Μεταξά, ζητώντας την παράδοση της Ελλάδας στις δυνάμεις του Άξονα. Η απάντηση του πρωθυπουργού αμέσως και χωρίς δισταγμό ήταν «Alors. C'est la guerre» στα γαλλικά που ήταν η διπλωματική γλώσσα εκείνης της εποχής. Η εφημερίδα Εστία στην ειδική της έκδοση το μεταφράζει ως ΟΧΙ(ΟΧΙ) και οι Έλληνες ξεκινούν τη μάχη κατά των Ιταλών και των Αλβανών αρχικά Γερμανών και Βουλγάρων αργότερα, μια μάχη που θα διαρκέσει 219 ημέρες για την Ελλάδα. Μέχρι το τέλος του πολέμου για το Ελληνικό Βασιλικό Ναυτικό, μονάδες πεζικού που διέφυγαν στην Αλεξάνδρεια και την Εθνική Αντίσταση στην ηπειρωτική Ελλάδα. Όσοι ασχολούνται με ιστορικά γεγονότα γνωρίζουν πώς η αντίσταση και η αποφασιστικότητα της Ελλάδας επηρέασαν την εξέλιξη του πολέμου κατά της Γερμανίας και των δυνάμεων του Άξονα. Είμαι πεπεισμένος ότι όλες οι χώρες έχουν ιστορία παρόμοια με τη δική μου, αλλά νομίζω ότι η ημέρα της ανεξαρτησίας της Ελλάδας, η 25η Μαρτίου 1821, και η επέτειος της 28ης Οκτωβρίου 1940, πρέπει να είναι στο παιχνίδι ως γεγονότα.

I totally agree, so if you have any comments about the Greek independence day and OXI DAY { NO DAY ) accepted

There are religious minorities in Turkey. But by all accounts, language remains the dominant defining element of Turkishness: “The Turkish language is the only accepted criterion for a definition about Turks. A Turk is one who speaks the Turkish language. All other definitions are insufficient" (Bozkurt Guvenc, The Turkish Identity). Nevertheless, according to the encyclopedia Ethnologue: Language of the world, 34 (!) other languages are spoken in the area of today's Turkey, apart from Anatolian Turkish. The largest of these is Kurmanji (Kurdish dialect), spoken by about 5 million people, and the smallest is Hirtevin, spoken by 250-300 Syro-Chaldeans. Meanwhile, Arabic (1.5 million), Circassian (about 1 million), Persian (700,000), Azeri (600,000), Gagauz (330,000), Pomakian (300,000), Kabardian (210,000) are spoken. ), the Lazic (100,000), the Migrelic (100,000), the Armenian (70,000), the Serbo-Croatian (100,000), the Albanian-Tuscan (70,000), the Greek (4000 in Constantinople and 300,000 Greek-speaking Muslims)...

You definitely have to read a lot to be able to understand what was the relationship of the ancient Greeks with the same sex and yes there are many who have not read, but it is not necessary for it to have the same dimension as it has today in all cases, for sure in some it has in others no . If you observe ancient Greek statues, you will surely notice that the genitals are very small, does this prove that they were small? Not necessarily, the sculptor simply did not want the viewer's attention to be distracted by something that would spoil the perfection of the sculpture .

Gboa navy community gbonm-gbons world of warships https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmNb4cgYsbN78jjC5Mpgubg This chaNNel was created so members and friends of the gboa community can upload viideos from battles related to the two clans gbonm , gbons and the greek community .

When the Roman Empire split into Eastern and Western, the name of Constantinople which was the capital of the Eastern Empire was New Rome from there and in Turkish RUM in Greek ROMIOS many of them were Greek Orthodox Christians but in order to survive in the Ottoman Empire they changed faith.

And the primary guns fire every 8 seconds (this was the actual rate of fire achieved in the battle of Ellis and Lemnos)

Yes, it has some characteristics of a religious war, religion was the one that divided each community, but the ruling class were Ottoman Turks at that time. For the Greeks of Turkey, those who identify themselves as Greek Orthodox are minimal after the persecutions, as in the case of Armenians. The number of Greeks who, due to persecution, changed religions but are called crypto-Christians and identify themselves as Turks is unknown. In northern Turkey there are Turks in citizenship who speak a dialect of Greek called the Pontiacs and some of them define themselves as Pontians of Greek origin also in the region of Cappadocia there are the Karamanids who write Turkish but with the Greek alphabet

It is something that anyone can request from the WG and I don't think it has anything to do with how many ships each country has. Each member of the community can request it for their country, the question is how many have requested it so far. And that's what I'm doing right now, I'm asking whether it will happen is unknown.

In a war, this is self-evident, not correct in any case, but one of the realities of war, and when the war is conducted by non-regular troops, as at that time. Τhe Greek nation was under the Ottoman occupation for 400 years and the massacres were equally widespread οn both sides. As for nationalism and history, they are brothers if we accept that nationalism is an ideology that promotes the interests of a specific nation as a distinct group of people, especially with the aim of gaining sovereignty in a region and maintaining the self-government of the nation in the homeland of, in priority over any other individual or collective interest. And how many wars were fought and are being fought to this day with the characteristics of nationalism? Despite all this, we should not forget another concept patriotism, which is the feeling of love and devotion of the individual to a country, and the companionship with other citizens who have the same feeling. This connection involves a combination of different factors, such as the language spoken, and ethnic, cultural, religious, political or historical aspects. Some emphasize the "territorial" element. Love of country develops without any mood of belittling or scorning another nation.

I enter the public test but it does not give me the mirror of my account but up to T8 ships I have restarted 2 times but nothing

The trireme was a pre-eminent warship that dominated the Greek seas in the 5th century BC, when the Greeks equipped it with a heavy brass ram and developed maneuvering tactics such as the dikplus1, to turn it into a true ramming 'machine'2. Thucydides (1.13.2-3) states that the Corinthians were the first to build triries and continues to add that although the Corinthians invented the trieri (therefore they are credited with the construction lead) but then the Samians were the ones who commissioned the Corinthian shipbuilder Amenoklis to build four years, about 300 years before the end of the Peloponnesian war in 404 BC, which brings the trier back to about 700 BC. The naval battle of Ladis, near Miletus, in 495 BC was a turning point in naval history, giving the trireme the status of the dominant warship of the time. Greek triremes were already equipped at that time with bronze pistons and in this naval battle, despite the final unfortunate result for the Greek side, the different operational choice between the opponents became evident, something that would be even more visible a few years later in the waters of Salamis in 480 BC, perhaps at the most critical turning point in world maritime history. So the Persians killed warriors while the Greeks destroyed ships. In any case, it is considered that the shipbuilding and aesthetic perfection of the trireme, but much more its operational utilization, was the work of the Athenians, who proceeded with the massive construction of triremes in view of the coming Persian danger and therefore it was very natural for them to be proud, that "they come from the place that makes the best triremes". The appearance of the trireme did not simply bring a new type of ship but the ultimate ship, as the revolutionary innovation it incorporated, namely the addition of a third row of rowers, above the other two, was indeed a technical leap due to the complexity of the construction for the creating space for as many oarsmen as possible 4. The trireme was the strongest pillar of Athenian naval sovereignty, bringing glory, victories and wealth to the city until 322 BC, when next to Amorgos the Athenians were defeated by the Macedonian fleet, a landmark date , as the end credits roll for a major naval power. After the naval battle at Actium in 31 BC, the Mediterranean turned into a Roman lake. And in this period the most common type of ship was the trireme. The last recorded instance of a fleet of triremes in action is in AD 324 when Licinius, emperor of the East, was defeated near the Dardanelles by Constantine, emperor of the West. Since then there have been no reports of triremes. In May 1982 a writer, former banker, the British Frank Welsh convinced his compatriots J.S. Morrison (classical archaeologist and historian) and J.F. Coates (shipbuilder), who were systematically engaged in the design of a trireme, that they should take a bigger step and proceed to build a real ship. Both of these scientists had long experience of studying the rowed ships of antiquity, and Morrison's father, Sinclair, had built a model based on the relief of Lenormant 6. The three Britons proceeded to establish the "Trireme Trust" and organized in April in 1983 a conference at the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich. It was a happy coincidence that the proceedings of the conference were also attended by Haris Tzalas, President of the Hellenic Institute for the Protection of Maritime Tradition, who invited the British to Greece to watch the construction of the Kyrenia ship replica, his own project of experimental archeology which was in development. The British came to our country and the developments that followed show Greece's interest in its naval past. The Ministry of Culture (Minister Melina Mercouri) and the General Staff of the Navy (Chief Vice-Admiral Nikos Pappas), announced in a unique event that Greece is taking over the financing of construction in a Greek shipyard in Perama, under the supervision of Navy shipyard officers, a "copy" of the Athenian trireme . This is how the construction of the three-ship "Olympia", as it was later named, began in the shipyard of the Tzanakou brothers in Keratsini. Coates proceeds with all the information at his disposal. The vessel has a maximum length of 36.8 m, a maximum width of 5.45, a draft of 1.25, and belongs to the Navy. Her light hull was built using the "shell first" method (i.e. first the outer shell was built and then the beams7 were placed, while the connections of the successive timbers were made with torms8 and dowels. Her timber consists of Oregon fir (Pseudotsuga menziestii), since modern-day pines are inferior in quality to those used 2,500 years ago, and from iroko oak (Chlorophora excelsa). About 20,000 wooden wedges of beech (Quercus virginiana) were used to connect the successive boards of the enclosure, while all the nails they were of bronze, hand worked. The piston was made of cast bronze in two pieces. The paddles, arranged in three rows and three levels, are made of Oregon pine (Pseudotsuga menziestii), they are 4.22 m long to the center of the ship and the remaining 4.05m Both 5m long rudders were made from the same material The sail was designed by Owain Roberts. The large sail had a surface area of 95 square meters, while the small one had half the dimensions. Her weight without a crew was 25 tons and with a crew 42 tons. Although the reconstruction process should theoretically be based strictly on archaeological evidence and built entirely with authentic materials and tools, the Trireme Trust did not pursue this route for a number of reasons, one of which was the lack of evidence of a trireme wreck. . Without the discovery of shipwrecks, an accurate study and copying of the main shipbuilding features could not be carried out (as was the case with e.g. the ship of Kyrenia or the Viking ships at Roshkild). The first trials began immediately after the triathlon was launched on 6/27/1987, with a crew of Navy sailors and athletes from the country's rowing clubs. From the 1st to the 15th of August 1987, the ship is rowed by an English crew in the bay of Poros. The point of these first trials was primarily to identify improvements needed and secondly to get a first feel for the ship's capabilities. The maximum speed achieved with oars in these early trials was 7 knots at 38 oars per minute. The two miles were covered by the ship at 4.5 knots and at a rate of 30 oars per minute. Several issues were identified so that the necessary improvements could be planned for the winter of 1988. In late Spring 1988 new trials began, consisting of a crew of SMYN students initially and of Anglo-American students later. Many of the basic problems had been solved. The trireme could now easily reach 8 knots, reach an average speed of 6.65 knots and maintain it for over 2 km. with 39 revolutions of the paddles per minute on average10. As regards rowing, which is the main occupation of the crew, it has been shown that the acquisition of endurance for the execution of long voyages is purely a matter of practice. While at the beginning after half an hour of rowing the crew was really exhausted, in the end and with good weather conditions they rowed for three hours without a problem. source: Hellenic Institute of Maritime History (HELINIS) On one of the two Trireme Olympias visits to London photos by then sailor Orion_thunderstorm

History teaches. Ships that had retired and reappeared with some form of currency (doublons, steel, coal). Two to three weeks of intense appearance in battles and after finding out that you don't become a player by buying a ship, return to normal appearances and the ships in the collection until the appearance of the next ship, no matter how good a ship it is, if you don't know how to play, you are doomed.

From now on dont expect nothing from supercontainer its just another free container after the downgrate who remove the 5000 dbl and the 30 days premium there is nothing super about them .

The hardest mission I have ever done in my life. I first became aware of the history of the British submarine HMS Triumph in 1998. Extensive research in England followed. The German and Italian archives were then searched. In the end, a search was made in the archives of the YIN navy and mine warfare administration as well as in the Greek archives of G.A.K etc. The story of the submarine Triumph is multi-dimensional and unique in naval history, and is inextricably linked to the national resistance and the secret services that operated in the dark days of the occupation. After an intense operational action and 21 war patrols, the TRIUMPH will be lost alone in the blue waters of the Aegean on January 9, 1942. It is the fifth submarine wreck we have found in Greek waters. The target was initially located with a simple 50khz sonar (bedometer) along with my daughter Agapi - Oceanida. TRIUMPH began her operational action in May 1939. In total she carried out 20 war patrols. It first appeared in the Aegean at the end of March 1941 with the aim of reconnaissance of the coasts of the Dodecanese and the disembarkation of officers by canoe on the shores. Significant successes followed as she sank several enemy ships and the Italian submarine SALPA. He undertook difficult and dangerous missions by landing agents of the British organizations SOE (Special Operations Executive) and MI9 (British Directorate of Military Intelligence Section 9) and rescuing trapped military personnel who had to escape to Alexandria, Egypt. The last patrol in Greece On 26 December 1941 the submarine would sail from Alexandria on her final mission before returning to England for overhaul and long-term maintenance. It was his 21st patrol. The objective purpose of the mission was to carry out two special operations and in between to carry out an offensive patrol in a specific sector of the Aegean assigned to it by the British Admiralty and the submarine command. In addition to the crew, the submarine carried a team of special missions. Operation ISINGLASS had just begun with Lieutenant Atkinson, of SOE, and radio operator Arvanitopoulos Adamantios of the Greek Intelligence Service seconded to British SOE codenamed Diamond. Atkinson transferred a large financial aid in cash and pound gold from MI9 and SOE to reinforce comparable figures in occupied Athens as well as two radio sets to communicate with Cairo. The second secret mission called "CONEY ISLAND" was undertaken by the New Zealand MI9 lieutenant Graig. His mission was to coordinate the escape of 30 British fugitives who were in Antiparos. On the night of 29-30 December 1941 Triumph sailed into Despotikos Bay, disembarked the task force and unloaded fuel for the boats and supplies of equipment. Among others, an MI9 optical telegraph for communication with submarines. Triumph's commander Lt. John S. Huddart informed the 30 fugitives gathered at Despotiko that he was to go on an offensive patrol in the Aegean and would return to pick them up on 9 or 10 January 1942 and take them to Alexandria. On December 30, 1941, at 21:21, the submarine reports with an encrypted signal the successful completion of the first phase of the mission. This is the last signal TRIUMPH will send… SOE's Special Operations Directorate had provided Atkinson with a multi-page briefing note, with the express written order 'Not to be taken ashore'. The bulletin mentioned 37 personalities of Athens with their nicknames and code numbers as well as their real names whom the exiled Greek government called for cooperation. Unfortunately this venture had a tragic end. All the members of the special operations team were arrested in Antiparos as were the 30 Britons who were to escape by submarine to Egypt. On Atkinson was found the bulletin with all the classified information, as a result of which more arrests were made which led to military courts and executions of mainly Greek patriots. Of the allies only Atkinson was executed and the rest were taken to concentration camps. The last attack south of Sounio. The Triumph continued its patrol making its presence felt in Milos and Naxos. The submarine had 64 people on board: 7 officers, 55 crew and 2 commandos who manned the boats that carried supplies and people to and from the TRIUMPH. On January 9, 1942 at 11:45 the concrete barge REA towed by TAXIARCHIS will be torpedoed by TRIUMPH south of Souni. The report speaks of an explosion of the torpedo on the rocks. Recently in the same underwater area we identified 3 more British Mk VIII torpedoes of the same type as those carried by the Triumph and indeed within firing range of the attack. This fact leads us to believe that Triumph fired more than one torpedo during her last attack. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=863BpoVDdxo&t=2s From there on the traces of Triumph disappear and on January 23, 1942 the British Admiralty mentions in a naval signal that the submarine Triumph must be considered lost after a patrol in the Aegean. The wreck of the submarine Triumph on the seabed. The submarine rests on the bottom of the open sea with an 8-degree right inclination, tens of kilometers away from the coasts. Her lowered periscopes and closed manholes testify that the TRIUMPH was in a deep dive during the last dramatic moments. The depth and direction rudders are in line so it was at a constant depth. On its turret, the wooden rudder, compass and four-inch cannon can be seen which is slightly raised. The facing manholes in the gun bay leading to the interior of the hull are also closed. On the forward side of the bridge the door leading to the gun has been opened... All hatches are closed. Throughout the hull of the submarine the plates and connections are with riveted sheets. The cap of the starboard torpedo tube, located at the height of the turret, has been opened and the MK VIII type torpedo is half way out of the submarine! The final cause of the sinking appears to have been a large explosion in the bow of the submarine, which subsequently drove H.M.S. TRIUMPH at a depth of -203 meters (-666 feet). The wreck site is treated with respect as it is a wet grave of 64 people. The identity of the submarine Triumph. Length 84.28 meters. Maximum width 7.77 meters. The keel depth at periscopic depth was 34 feet (10.36 meters). TRIUMPH was the only one of this class (T Class) without external bow torpedo tubes, as they had been removed during repairs in 1940 after striking a mine. Source: https://www.facebook.com/kostas.thoctarides

I do not understand the discussion with karma, WG herself does not give importance because she knows that it is not important. The karma system is a gimmick just to make each player feel good either reporting someone else or giving a compliment. The moment you get a report for any ship you are playing (aircraft carriers, submarines OP ships) regardless of the way you played the system does not work and cannot work. Not to mention the sold accounts with the good karma which is essentially invalid karma since the majority are bad players. Better to deal with other more important things in the game that will improve the experience, the missions, the gifts, the ships, etc.

"The turret of the submarine emerges imposingly 'dressed' in the grey-green shades of the seabed," says Mr. Thoktaridis. "His cannon, his periscopes which are lowered and the manhole which is open can be seen. Findings confirming the fact that the submarine was on the surface when it hit a mine. Inside the manhole of the turret stands out the staircase leading to the bridge of the submarine. All other manholes are closed as are the torpedo tubes." The experienced diver gives another dimension to the wreck, as it seems that the sinking of the German submarine should be credited to the successes of the Greek navy: "As we wander the underwater paths of history, something piques our interest, a short distance from the wreck. We get close and find that this is the mine mooring that sank the submarine. The Germans believed that U 133 accidentally penetrated the German minefield and was consequently sunk by a German mine. The specific anchorage, however, refers to the "Moraitis mine", a mine of Greek conception and construction, particularly powerful and effective, but unknown to most of us until today. Historical research confirms our suspicions. According to the secret order K 27/4332 of G.E.N. on August 23, 1940, a minefield plan was announced in the area where the wreck is today. On the day of the declaration of war, it was given by the G.E.N. the execution mark of the above order for the laying of the Greek minefield. On the night of October 29 to 30, the minefield was filled with Vickers and Moraitis mines. According to the records of the Minesweeping Command of our Navy, the Germans did not eliminate the Greek minefield. They preserved it and placed parallel to it their own minefields, before and after the Greek one. So the Greek minefield existed on the day of the sinking of U 133 and according to the coordinates of the wreck the German submarine is within its limits". https://uboat.net/boats/u133.htm

Greek divers have discovered the wreckage of an Italian submarine 80 years after it was sunk by the Allied Forces in the Aegean Sea during World War Two . She was discovered 2021 by Greek wreck hunter diver, Kostas Thoctarides and his team, south of the island of Mykonos at a depth of 337 feet 103. The stricken sub was located by the ROV Super Achilles. The Argonauta-class submarine Jantina , which had sailed from the Greek island of Leros under the command of C.C. Vincenzo Politi with 47 crew on board, was sent to the bottom on the night of 5 July 1941, after being hit by a spread of six torpedoes fired by British T-class submarine HMS Torbay (N79). Six Italians survived by swimming to the coast while Politi and 38 submariners perished.