Admiral_H_Nelson

TO THE POSTER Ah! Yes! Good point! The "Wargaming School of Balancing" German cruisers are quite solid all rounders, and even the HE is useable with Demo Expert. They just need a little kick to make them sparkle a bit more. Buff the German cruisers by giving them some XP pinata to farm (aka Royal Navy cruisers) TO THE WORLD IN GENERAL /Rant on /Rant off

If I stay behind most of the BBs that I have on my teams, then I'll be playing on the adjacent map!

I suggest that you ACTUALLY DO look up mtm78's stats, and then edit your post a bit . . . well, a lot . . . in fact, completely rewrite it. A couple of examples: 1) Highest tier in cruisers mtm78 = 10 you = 6 (3 games) 2) Your most played cruiser is Furutaka (57 games) How do you compare? Category You mtm78 Win Rate 47% 67% Average Damage 16,799 34,692 Average XP 611 1145 Warships Destroyed per game 0.56 1 Aircraft Destroyed per game 0.44 0.33 Main battery hit ratio 33% 40% Torpedo hit ratio 6% 14% Kill/Death Ratio 0.7 2.2 Highest XP 1539 2658 Highest Damage 55,987 131,188 Most Warships destroyed in a game 3 5 Most Aircraft destroyed in a game 3 3 AND MTM78 PLAYED IT IN THE BAD OLD DAYS BEFORE IT WAS BUFFED! You'd be better off asking mtm78 for lessons, rather than abusing him.

That is why I called it a "Grey area" From Collins English Dictionary (see item # 2) grey area or gray area n 1. (Sociology) (in Britain) a region in which unemployment is relatively high 2. an area or part of something existing between two extremes and having mixed characteristics of both 3. an area, situation, etc, lacking clearly defined characteristics

Your opinion CERTAINLY IS VALID! But so is that of mtm78 who is a fine player, very experienced, ex-Supertester, and a very perceptive observer of the game and the way it works. The problem is the word "pointless", which (like so many words in English) has at least two shades of meaning. 1) Meaning #1, "pointless" as in futile, no earthly reason to do something at all, all pain no gain As you say, you can still have good games and some fun, so playing "cruisers" isn't pointless by this definition 2) Meaning #2, "pointless" as in ineffective. As in "That won't fix the problem properly - it's pointless" mtm78 is 100% right in this meaning of the word. Taking 100 games in the current meta you will be much, much less effective than (say) the meta of 6 months ago. And - for me at least - much, much less fun............as in practically zero.

Great points! Also, 1) BBs often have very good secondaries which can add to the damage that you take in a cruiser/DD and start damaging fires 2) BBs sometimes have torpedoes too - so they can retaliate if you try a torpedo run!

British CVs will not have any planes at all - but their self defence artillery will have really good AP shells. And they will have torpedoes. And speed boost. Didn't you know? AP only is the British playstyle.

OK, Rutger, we hear you ...........

Tanks have never appealed to me, but I have been interested in ships my entire life. Even so, since I'm feeling a bit "anti" right now I would have to put my preferences as:- 1) Watching paint dry 2) Playing World of Warships 3) Playing World of Tanks

You're right - you can. You are also right that the German battleships do seem stronger than their rivals. I believe that Wargaming decided to "err on the side of caution". Ideally you want to get the balance right first time. However if you make them a bit too strong you can always nerf them later. Sure there will be a lot of moaning about the nerf, but it is better than making them too weak. Why? Because if you make them too weak, then players just give up on them (and possibly leave the game). It's no good buffing them at that point because you have already lost players.

My goodness - you are correct! I tried a couple of Mutsuki games earlier this afternoon. Scouted. Detected enemy group of ships. Fled with smoke, and the bots pursued me relentlessly .... as they were mowed down one-by-one by my team!

^^ from the main thread *CLAPS* . . . . . extremely slowly

Very true. Doesn't bode well for the Royal Navy "AP only" cruisers, does it?

I am undecided on this Atago question. WG didn't refund the Myoko when her sisters became available in ARP-based competititons. But they didn't need to - Myoko is a silver ship. However, WG did refund Campbeltown owners in the recent competition where everybody could win one who completed the missions (if they won another one, of course) It is a bit of a "grey area" I feel.

I don't have the time to research everything on that list, but I MUST give a quick reply before I go out for the evening. I looked up Musashi (because sister Yamato is in the game). It's stretching the truth to claim that the battering that Musashi took is in any way similar to the in-game magazine and BOOM instant kill mechanic that we get in WoWS. I'm sure that when I have time to look at some of the others that I will find similar results. P.S. Insanely curious, I looked up Mutsu as well. A non-combat loss that happened whilst in port. Do we want ships blowing up in port maybe, or AFTER you press the Battle button, but before the battle actually starts?

"They are a realistic thing that happened and were a huge part of warship action." NO THEY WERE NOT. Apart from the famed HMS Hood how many other ships can you name that blew up as she did? Time for me to list again the "real life" detonations: -- On 10th September 1905 the Japanese battleship "Mikasa" blew up at the Dock of Sasebo Naval base due to suspected magazine explosion - though the exact cause was never confirmed officially. -- On 25th September 1911 the French battleship "Liberté" was destroyed when the forward magazine exploded while at port in Toulon. -- On 26th December 1914 the British battleship "Bulwark" blew up while loading ammunition at Sheerness. -- On 9th July 1917 the British dreadnought battleship "Vanguard" exploded at eh anchorage of the Grand Fleet at Scapa Flow. The court of enquiry into the disaster came up with many theories, but none of them involved enemy action. -- Possibly the most famous example was the USS Maine (technically an armoured cruiser but sometimes called a battleship by some reporters) which exploded in Havana harbour on 15th February 1898. Modern research puts the most likely cause down to an internal coal fire which ignited the magazines. At the time a Spanish mine was blamed. Remarkably convenient, really, when the US was looking for an excuse to make war on Spain at the time.... We could implement these "real life" events in the game by having ships blow up just as battle starts. Maybe at the same time that we make "Ocean" the map for 95% of battles (since most sea battles are fought in open water), allow DDs to have unlimited smoke, and stop all bar a handful of DDs from having reloads for their torpedoes. On the other hand we could focus on what makes the game more enjoyable and balanced and seek to eliminate all those features which detract - however small - from our enjoyment of the game UNLESS THEY REALLY ARE NECESSARY FOR THE GAME TO OPERATE.

Yeah........like AP ammo only for the British cruisers.

Thank You, Sir!

A manual "Liked". My God! You are on form this week. An error occurred You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day

Great post. A sense of humour - and the right approach to the game IMHO. (I've run out of likes for the day, though...drat!)

Run out of likes. A very astute observation. I think that there would be riots in the German-speaking section of the forum - and RIGHTLY SO! Also, people giving up the game, from all nationalities. Consider this. Despite the fact that the Army was always the senior service in Germany (and for good reason) the German Navy was hugely significant in the period covered by WoWS- It took part in greatest dreadnought clash ever (Jutland)- It had some of the most famous ships of the 20th Century (Bismarck, Tirpitz, Scharnhost, Admiral Graf Spee, for example)- It had a brave and effective U-boat fleet which Churchill said was the only thing that truly worried him in the war (OK maybe a bit of poetic licence there, but there is an underlying truth of its effectiveness) You simply HAVE to show due respect to such a fleet. I sincerely believe that Wargaming want to do the same with the fleets of Britain, France and Italy. (Tin foil hat on) I think that they will get resistance from certain "non EU" quarters.

OK, then. 1. German battleships are NOT OP 2. German battleships are only so numerous because of perfectly innocent reasons. i.e they are new and loads of people are playing them (Heck, even I played up to Bayern, and I am not a BB player usually.) So, how long before we get back to a more "normal", balanced distribution of types of ship in each team? (I need to know how long a vacation I should take from the game, before I can safely play cruisers again)

The system tells me that I have run out of likes. So you will have to make do with ** WILD APPLAUSE ** Beautifully expressed.

Very well put. Plus, this is the kind of thing that you are up against in a CA: some BB players stop what ever they are doing as soon as they see a cruiser appear and just see you as "easy XP". It's almost seems as if it's a blood lust, LOL! EXAMPLE: I was in a game the other day, where I joined in a fight between one of our BBs and an enemy BB. The friendly BB was losing. They were about 5-6km apart. As soon as I got within range I opened fire. The enemy BB immediately turned its guns towards me, and also his ship (so that the guns could be bought to bear on me faster). In doing so he exposed his broadside to our BB and eventually paid the price. I dodged almost all the shells fired at me except for the infamous "single rogue shell" that all CA players will be familiar with. I barely survived and we won, but it couldn't be described as "fun".

Perhaps it would be better for the overall enjoyment of the game then if Battleships were the hardest class to play, and cruisers the easiest.