Zathras_Grimm

Only worry I would have is when a team's CAs work together. Some have stated that the radar doesn't operate long enough, but you have to remember that more than one ship will open fire on the exposed DD. Then if you get 2+ CAs using the radar one after the other, then that severely restricts a DD if not leading to certain death. DDs do not have the HP of other ships or the gun range in most cases, that's why they have stealth. Now there will be a period of time that every ship within range can use them as a piniata; ouch! Well, worries aside, lets see how this actually plays out and works in game. Let's see what the evidence shows us.

No to acceleration as it takes too much away from the IJN line Tier V and below. If I wanted a fast torpedo reload and to be seen when launching torps I would have chosen another nations DD; especially with our guns! Although useful for those higher tiers maybe?

Got to agree with Crysantos. (Edit: and Reaper171). Kenliero, it sounds as if you are saying you never get hit by other DDs, ships supporting those DDs , by ships that use spotter planes that spot you or by ships that have spotted you because of CV aircraft(?) If you get hit by any ship or plane then there is a chance for engine failure. Of course it is your choice not to choose Last Stand, but to say someone is playing wrong because they take fire at some point well, remember most of us on this game are mere mortals. Where's a 'we're not worthy' Wayne's World Smiley when you need one.

I once asked the question on the forum whether players could change captains whilst loading because at times the stats would change (improve) whilst I was looking at them (answer was no). Found out that you can see the stats on the load screen but it depends on how fast the players ship (profile) loads if you see the real stats or the standard load out. Sometimes the standard load out doesn't change even up to when the game starts as the players profile may not load until last seconds before game starts. Hope I made sense there lol

Haven't checked myself regarding 5.3 patch buffs, but could the other ships' detection methods have had a buff or maybe a sneaky IJN DD be spotting you for other ships?

From what I understand the aiming mod puts a circle 'leading' your ship. So if you are manoeuvring as you say, the circle will never actually indicate where you are going anyway (unless in a straight line).

Graphic settings (display resolution) change and the ALT + Enter keys don't work (it just flips the view around).

Appreciate the slack Although if you look at the changes, unless someone can use the torp speed increase and stay hidden, all the other positive changes merely seem to balance the gameplay. For example I get better armour, a gunboat gets better guns. I get faster torps, but the likely hood of being spotted for that 7.5% speed increase is a lot worse. However, not feeling that great and like you say, at least it isn't a nerf of any kind, so I'm gonna stop talking just in case I am commiting verbal 'D'.

Wow, my first complaint as I preferred the old choices! To me in my IJN DD (Minekaze) level 4 Captain skills are a complete waste of 4 points: 1. Poor % increase to start a fire - Meaning I have to fire my guns and be seen. As every other nation DD has better guns let alone the other classes how does this help me? 2. Increase to firing range - in a IJN DD!!! See 1. 3. Increased in HP - to a ship with poor HP anyway (that's why I stay stealthed!) Possibly the only one I would go for (but completely useless as soon as the other nation DDs increase their gun power anyway!) 4. Aircraft Servicing - someone is taking the P! Seriously, why is this even an option for DDs? 5. Better AA guns - on a DD! Yeah, like the 9 points on my Minekaze does so much damage (and don't get me started on the Fujin/Kamikaze Rs 1 point AA rating) A bit of a 'what about me' post but I hate the changes. Whereas I was trying to get the 3 points (had 2) for extra smoke I now have to use those 2 for the last chance. I guess the 'Never Never level 20' last point is a Basic Fire Training throwaway (although the Captain will be dead before he gets it anyway!) The only one to consider would be the HP raise but the change does nothing for me. I wouldn't touch the increase in torpedo speed with a barge pole, concealment is the only thing keeping me alive; why would I want to increase the chance of being detected for what is a less then 8% speed boost? Edit: Maybe I'm down because I have the flu and have come off a 2 night losing streak? At least I have more HP for people to take off me!

Yesterday: 11 Losses; 2 wins. Today: 7 Losses; 3 wins. (Far more respectable lol) I obviously hit my win ceiling and am being 'B' slapped down to earth by a combination of MM and better teams/players . Ouch; still pulling shells from areas it's best not to talk about Things will turn around soon enough!

Well, onto the 9th loss in a row. The margin is always such a big one as well (they can still have up to 6 ships left and massacre us on the points). 'You win some lose some' just doesn't come into play; it's just you win lots and then lose lots lol. Oh well back to the game, this one will be the start of the winning games! Edit and it continues!

No, absolutely not! And have to look at my hideous Fujin Halloween and Minekaze Xmas Puke Paint job, never. Everything else can go but not the 'remove camouflage' mod.

I use my own stats to see if I can improve from where I am now (seems not lol). Many seem to use them on the forum to try to prove something or take a topic discussion off in another direction. Although I did use the players stats once when I got my backside handed to me in a battle; I needed to see the stats of this 'god' that had pulled my shorts up over my head........WR 43%, K/D 0.78. Not sure what I was trying to prove (that someone can only beat me if they are better?), but I don't bother now. Simple fact is everyone can have their day and if you get beat just accept they were better on that particular occasion. Then go out in the next game and make someone else pay!!!

I wish I could be a good loser all of the time but unfortunately sometimes I have to just 'escape' out of the game with nothing said lol. (I keep the cursing to myself!). Don't get me wrong, 95% of the time I congratulate the enemy be it a one on one battle that they won (or put up an amazing fight in a close win for me) or where the entire team outplayed us. Although I am sure it earns me negative karma a lot of the time from those players in my team who insist that we lost because everyone is a noob or cheats were being used (instead of just accepting the other team were better on the day).

Kill stealing is a bad phrase for what is pish poor play. No one should have a problem with a friendly killing an enemy! Everyone should have a problem with a team mate who does not help and allows a colleague to take damage, only to ensure he/she can take the final shot and kill for whatever mission they are trying to achieve.

You're not talking about 'deleting' principat121 are you! Personally I've always found your posts valid and informative! You're right, everyone is allowed their opinion and unfortunately there are a lot of people who feel being rude is a great way to strengthen their point of view. I hope the MM is corrected soon and would even go as far to say putting a 4-4-4-2 ship limit on DD/CA/BB/CV may not even be that bad;along with the upcoming gunboat/torpboat patch balance. Or maybe a 4-6-4-2 balance? At least it could help with levelling the playing field and the performance of ships could be judged more accurately (perhaps?). I just think at the moment there is a lot of 'dissatisfaction' regarding some ships that is maybe down to the circumstances (MM) rather than the class or specific ship itself. Thank you.

Dude seriously back! You keep asking if people read your posts; maybe it's in the way you write them lol? Now tell me where I said you were: 1. Blaming DDs? 2. saying you think BBs are ok? 3. not a supporter of CVs? You seem to be crying foul about a lot of things that I never attributed to you; maybe you should start reading and reading again?

Actually reading your post with interest. You seemed to discard the Yamato's range and being able to snipe and not get hit, but do not see the similarity with the sniping the Shim does with its torpedoes(?) It just happens at this time the Shim has the edge because any CAs are destroyed by the sniping BBs and there are few aircraft to help spot them (DDs). Maybe if the BBs didn't have the ability to obliterate CAs so easily more people would play CAs and there would be a more even distribution of ships? I'm in agreement with your 'tweaking' suggestion but remember that there are many on this thread that want more than just tweaking; so why can't those on the other side of the fence say a little more in support of DDs without getting your 'You guys apparently can't differentiate between....' speech? Then you go and spoil it with your exaggeration about letting the Shim rule the waves. Like that is going to encourage a good debate? Could the DDs be having such an effect because: 1. BBs kill CAs far to easily. 2. CA captains move to BBs or DDs. 3. No CV aircraft to help with detection. 4. More DDs, no CV aircraft and few CAs (that are killed by sniping BBs far too quickly) lead to a DD/BB playing field (and for a change the biggest ship in the game loses out to the DD menace)? 5. This can be made a whole lot worse with a poor MM distribution. Just a thought that it's not all down to the DDs; maybe the BBs need a tweak too!

A little harsh, as it is another MM complaint thread that veers into the DD/torp hate cycle, just like the other 3-5 threads on the forum at the moment (let alone historically). It actually sounds as if it is you that has the chip on your shoulder about testers; unless your reply was a reaction to his 'idiot' label? (There was no need for the idiot label 121). I know there has been bad feeling in the past regarding some testers and the way they have behaved so this may also be a factor in your reply(?) Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the MM being addressed, but there are plenty of threads that already talk about it.

Too many posts to quote, but for me it seems that: BBs are still too powerful at tier X (as they can lay waste to CAs too easily?). CVs were complained about and messed with, so disappeared. Without CVs there is a major difficulty in spotting DDs. CA players reduced (probably chose DDs so the BBs can't blow them out of the water). MM will roll stupid match ups. DDs start doing what BBs have been doing for ages, sitting back and firing. BBs and the few CAs left hate this so mass complaints. Stats show no difference in numbers in higher tiers compared to lower tiers concerning DDs. Possible solutions: Don't mess with DDs like CVs! Fix the MM regarding number of class distribution (inc DD gunboat/torpboat). After this, by all means look into particular ships if there is a need due to evidence that they are OP. Maybe look into lowering the odds of citadel, fire, flooding etc hits; it will make ships last longer, the battle remain 'busier' longer and because of the points system you will still get a winner still. Suggestions only.

If it's 'obvious' that he is talking about tier IX-X, and taking his title in to consideration, then my point is I don't believe this game hinges on those 2 tiers alone. I also wish you would use the 'brighter than that' ethos and read my post, I was quoting what many others have said about the CVs (all who have played at high tier levels). Now, why do you find it odd for people to express opinions about issues on the forum? Many of us are not politicians, but that doesn't mean we don't talk politics; it's easy, you use the facts that are provided by WG, other stat sites and by the players themselves. Why do the players who quoted the reason for the lack of CVs have any less of an argument than you do? Ah, and although I didn't intentionally mean to get you to state that DDs don't do the amount of damage that other ships do, thank you, it proves the fact that everyone who indicates the game is World of DDs is, well exaggerating. So no, I do not expect it to do the amount of damage of other ships and this is exactly what many website stats show (even with all those crying out that DDs are too OP). I did mention the stats and you can find it on another DD torp hating thread on this site. Please take a look at the other threads, there are indeed many individuals that contribute and, believe it or not, some of those fall into the 'play at tier X, don't play DDs and don't think there is an issue'; but you seemed to have left that category off of your list (wonder why?). I do try to be objective, that is why I use the information provided by all when reading a thread and also the information provided by WG and other website stats. Of course people's views can veer on 'one side of the fence', but that is to be expected. All I'm saying is that I do not believe the fact that a particular ship giving some people (not all) a problem, at a particular tier level of a game, does not mean the game is going to die. As already stated on the forums, I believe the issue of MM imbalance is one that hurts the game more than a single ship does, but this is also being looked at in the next patch in regards to DD match up.

Not sure but I think 15JG52Adler was asking why DDs are at the bottom of score stats lists if they are so powerful? Your list seems to be pointing out why they should be top(?) Maybe that is part of the reason they are getting buffed; all those areas you mention and yet still not as good a stats as other ships.

I only find the IJN DD I play fun; therefore by logic every other ship in the game is boring. It's a fact because I think it is.

Unsure whether you read my post as you seem to be mentioning everything I did: Trouble at Tier IX-X, the rest of the tiers ok; DDs overpowered, no. Complaint about Shims again, yes! Yes I play mid tier exclusively. If that means what I said was incorrect please tell me where? The only area I have heard nothing but whinging from are the high tier levels and from all accounts they brought the mess on themselves with the moaning about CVs leading to them disappearing and the BBs killing citadel killing CAs too easy. Why wouldn't people pick the DDs, seems they seem to be doing something BBs have been reported for doing for ages (shooting from a distance without most being able to shoot back; sniping). For some reason it's ok for a BB to do it but not for a DD. I don't know why someone just doesn't start a 'I hate Shims' thread, as every thread that complains about torpedoes and DDs inevitably comes around to the Shim.

DDs rule the waves - nope. DDs need a buff - maybe; their damage and kill rate with torps are at 15-20%. The problem is merely the numbers of DDs or the MMs inability to level the number of DDs on each side along with the torp/gunboat. ratios. Too many people want to rage over DDs but from what I understand they did the same with CVs and they disappeared , hence one way of spotting DDs went! There also seems to be no problem with DDs from tier I -VIII, so it's hardly World of DDs; it just seems that way with the high volume of complaints. A new one every week!