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I'll be joining the V-25 hype train (saving for Mighty Mo) Prepare for epic 12 v 12 torpedo beats!

Check this out > http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/64198-royal-navy-tech-tree-proposal/ Here's my most recent gun estimations using Neptune DP mount data. Destroyer HE DPM Fires per minute Fires per minute (DE) S/T class 7,933 1.2 1.8 Cavalier 8,123 1.4 2.0 Shiratsuyu 8,338 1.0 1.5 J Class 11,900 1.7 2.4 Błyskawica 12,404 1.9 2.6 Benson/Fletcher 14,850 1.5 2.4 Battle 15,840 2.3 3.2 Tribal 15,867 2.2 3.2 Gearing 22,275 1.8 2.9 Daring 23,760 3.0 4.3 Tribal and J class will be a bit OP at tier 7 and very competitive at tier 8. EWP destroyers (S-C class) are perfect for tier 7. Battle and Daring are perfect for T9-10.

This is the closest I've come to a full house, only a few salvos off Arsonist and Kraken.

I never get tier 8 MM with Perth anymore and my average damage is tanking hard. Buff her so she gets preferential T8 MM all the time please. Stealth torp advancing ships, stealth HE spam retreating ships, relocate to mess up any remaining DDs, brawl with a BB, brawl with a CA, set up ambushes, kite BBs. The list is endless, play her like a big DD and have fun. 'Experimental' games with virtually no XP probably. That's my excuse

5 random flags for everyone!

Levensau, Hochdonn or Rendsburg bridge? Why don't WG monetise ports? 500-1000 Doubloons for a high quality port seems fair to me. I'd buy a WW1 Firth of Forth.

Kiel canal has always been the most famous place to photograph German warships.

To match Kenya and Jamaica? Maybe Baltimore, DM and Iowa should get a US flag too?

Ships that served in the Korean war had a flag for areal identification, like Mighty Mo and Belfast. No idea why they gave it to a f2p ship but it's awesome

I've already melted several Yamatos with Akizuki AP, there's no difference between T8 and T10 plating. 4" guns are fine.

Akatsuki is similar to Błyskawica or Leningrad with better spamtastic torpedoes (type 8 are the best for that sweet, sweet 63s reload. Drooooool) Most IJN DD players have just got used to Concealment System Modification 1 and think all large/fast DDs should have a sub 6km surface detection. The IJN DD lines are a bit messed up lines too. It should be Hatsuharu > Shiratsuyu > Kagero > Yūgumo etc.

Nothing has changed. Hatsuharu is a classic IJN scout. Stay hidden, spot for your team (ideally other DDs) and go for intelligent, surprise torpedo strikes. Use guns to polish off low HP ships or try and set fires on ships that have just repaired. Fubuki is a classic torp spammer, same as she was at tier 8. Spam choke points, caps and smoke with torps. You can pump out as much damage as a Yūgumo with all the reload buffs. Let the scouts cap. If the enemy team runs just spam your guns at them.

After a few games I think a 3x4 build might be the most useful and fun. She's very clunky for contesting caps and you get punished like no other DD for getting caught out. Here's what I'd go > http://shipcomrade.com/skillcalc/01000000010010011001000000 T8 DD table below.

Akatsuki: 8 + 1 = 9 (Monster T9 torp spammer at T7, better than old T8 Fubuki in every way) Shiratsuyu: 21 Mahan: 20 Sims (BL Mk. 7 mod. 2B): 20 Sims (Mk 15 mod. 0): 20 Kiev: 17 Leningrad: 21 Blyskawica: 23 Myoko: 22 +1=22 Indianapolis: 17 Flint: 21 Lolanta: 21 Shchors: 17 Yorck: 11 Fiji: 21 Belfast: 25 Nagato: 21 Colorado: 21 Gneisenau: 18 Scharnhorst: 25 Hiryu (2/2/2): 20 Hiryu (3/1/2): 20 Ranger (1/1/1):17 Ranger (0/1/3): 20Ranger (2/0/2): 2 - 3 = -1 (Skybuckflying approves) Saipan (Torpedo Bombers): 21 Saipan (Dive Bombers): 20

This is what the IJN DD lines should look like. Line 1 - Torp Ninjas 2 x torpedo launchers. Fast, close range, high damage torpedoes with a slow reload. Tier 5-9 have the choice of reload booster (30s) or speed boost consumable. Old school IJN DD guns. Line 2 - Torp spammers. 3 x torpedo launchers. Slow, long range, low damage torpedoes with a fast reload. Single fire torpedoes. New school IJN DD guns. Line 3 - Gun boats. Small calibre, rapid firing guns Average torpedoes. Decent AA Tier Torpedo Strike Torpedo Spam Gunboat 2 Kaba (2x2) Umikaze (2x2) Sakura (Tachibana) 3 Enoki (2x3) Isokaze (3x2) Urakaze 4 Wakatake (2x3) Kawakaze (3x2) Momo 5 Mutsuki (2x3) Minekaze (3x2) Matsu 6 Hatsuharu (2x3) Yūnagi (3x2) Paper 7 Shiratsuyu (2x4) Fubuki (3x3) Paper 8 Kagero (2x4) Ayanami (3x3) Akizuki 9 Yagumo (2x4) Akatsuki (3x3) Paper 10 Super Shimakaze (F3) Shimakaze (Type 93) Super Akizuki

Mutsuki, Hatsuharu, Shiratsuyu, Kagero, Yūgumo and Shimakaze are still the best 'torp-ninja' destroyers per tier. (That should've been the main line) Fubuki and Akatsuki are insane torp spammers. Aim for general areas, smoke clouds and choke points over the white cone (unless it's a BB noob)

The Kamikaze class destroyers have tier 9/10 torpedo performance. Minekaze has low alpha but high DPM (torp spammer) Mutsuki has high alpha but low DPM (torp striker) You typically don't see both together until tier 9. Ship Torpedo type Range (km) Speed (Knots) Torpedo time to target (s) Reaction time + vigilance (s) Potential strike damage Potential torpedo DPM Launchers Kamikaze Type 92 7 68 32.7 9.9 86400 122553 3 Mutsuki Type 8 mod 3 (TA) 6.4 68 32.7 11.3 87600 80000 2 Mutsuki Type 8 mod 3 8 63 35.3 12.2 87600 80000 2 Minekaze Type 6 7 57 39.0 10.1 64998 103171 3 (Stats for 17 point captains)

Here's the top destroyers for surgical torpedo strikes. (I.e. Get super close without being detected, launch and run away giggling like a small girl) Ship Torpedo type Torpedo time to target (s) Reaction time + vigilance (s) Potential alpha damage Yūgumo Type F3 30.2 12 170,936 Kagero Type 93 mod.2 (TA) 30.9 11.3 167,736 Shimakaze Type F3 31.8 12 320,505 Kamikaze class Type 92 32.7 9.9 86,400 Gearing Mk17 (TA) 34 9.4 179,000 Shiratsuyu Type 90 (TA) 35.5 11.4 275,728 Fletcher Mk16 mod.1 36 10.2 190,330 Time to target = Accuracy (Launch torps 400m from being detected) Plus the most fun torpedo spammers. Ship Torpedo type Range (Km) Launchers Potential torpedo DPM Shimakaze Type 93 mod.3 12 3 182,753 Fletcher Mk16 mod.1 10.5 2 149,278 Akatsuki Type 8 mod.2 10 3 139,431 Fubuki Type 8 mod 2 10 3 128,424 Kamikaze class Type 92 7 3 122,553 Mahan Mk15 mod.0 9.3 3 106,667 Accuracy and reaction times is less important than coverage, DPM and a reliable range.

Yep. IJN DD captains should get a free reset. Torpedo acceleration is great but you really need concealment expert on these larger ships. Wait a few months for the major skill update or retrain the captain back to the Hatsu/Poi. Use type 8 mod 2 torpedoes on the Akat for a 63 or 70 second reload. They're best in the whole game for spamming zones No, Akat is competing for the best tier 7 DD. Maybe it helps if you've played US DDs like Mahan with worse concealment?

The whole 'HE spam is stupid' comes from the RNG nature of fires, not the skill of landing long range salvos. One random HE shell can take off 10-20% from your HP, very painful for ships with no heal.

Well I'm having fun rolfstomping BBs left, right and centre Just did 170,000 damage in Shiratsuyu, my 3rd highest in almost 4000 destroyer games. Akatsuki can pump out 9 x type 8 torps every 63 seconds for more potential damage than a Shimakaze with type 93 mod 3s AND it has similar HE DPM to Leningrad. They're beasts. What do you want for your IJN DDs? Instakill missiles when you get within 10km of a BB? Sounds a bit boring to me.

The new IJN balances are almost perfect. WG nailed it. Although Shiratsuyu and Akizuki don't need the torp reload booster consumable, it feels like KM BB hydro and RN CL heal. (Artificially stuck on to boost power levels when they don't need it)

Błyskawica is a premium tier 8 A-hull with preferential MM. Similar to König Albert, Beltfast etc. I guess you could do the same with Cossack for maximum seal clubbing. The Mk XII guns should be balanced for classes with only 4 guns, like the S/T etc. Unless they use sAP for one line and HE/AP for the other. That would be ...awesome!