arcticstorm123

You are a sleeper agent (Think Bourne Identity, but Russian), you just haven't had the secret word to activate you yet

All tier X's, lower tier ones have some weird choices

Really can't see where Wargaming are trying to go with this, especially after the Tiger, think they have a personal vendetta against the Royal Navy, worse than the one they have against the Kriegsmarine ships, at least they get HE and hydro normally Not going to spend hard earned Research points on this, not with Vampire II and Daring available

Suggestion to Wargaming, if you are set on this route of aircraft gimmicks can all the other ships come with Phalanx gun systems or air to air missiles?, that would be a great gimmick?, just a thought ...obviously Missouri had them, need to be historically accurate

Kind of an uncomfortable analogy, much too close for comfort Anakin - Future Darth Vader - Prepared to slaughter younglings without batting an eyelid Padmé - Naively thinking there's good in him and he can change despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary

Stick a couple of tanks on ships decks and they are done

I think we are too close to the issue, if you have played this game for years you get used to a certain type of game , if by introducing more novelties like aircraft, subs, etc. they get a bunch of new players coming in then they probably see it as worthwhile, even if that annoys long term players, as after a time a lot of people get tired of a game and move on anyway. Provided the number of new players coming in and their spending outweigh the numbers leaving, even if they are long time players I think they will see that as a win.

Of course. My experience comes from large banking and software companies where they can afford or write sophisticated monitoring, seem to remember someone posting an article some time ago about Wargaming buying some quite sophisticated monitoring (nothing unusual almost of the bigger online games have it. Well we shall see, depends on if large numbers of aircraft do push players off the game and if it does hit revenue, if it does and they do nothing because of their business culture then they deserve all they will get.

Doesn't match my experience, but whatever, gaming companies like this have highly developed analytical software, they know pretty quickly when there are drops in gameplay, numbers, etc., if a business waits months to react to financial data it won't be a business for very long.

What do you imagine you fixed?, in any business if a change results in a drop in revenue and customers any theoretical model gets dropped pretty quickly once the chief financial officer gets on the phone to the CEO. You seriously think WG would continue with a model that hurts revenue?, and if having masses of aircraft does affect numbers playing and money spent you can bet it will be reversed or nerfed very quickly. Unless of course they are trying to consciously destroy the business...

No, but I was talking in terms of keeping players engaged, if playing a non hybrid, or ship without aircraft means you are just a target they can expect player numbers to drop pretty quickly, nobody plays a game just to be a target. Player spend and numbers are important to WG

Biggest problem with this is the cumulative affect of having multiple ships in a game that can use aircraft. One cv or a hybrid isn't too much of an issue, but when you could face a game with one or 2 cv's, a couple of hybrids and some Dutch cruisers, it's going to get silly. WG definitely need to start introducing caps on aircraft carrying ship types if they go this route

Personally I like CV's', but with the new hybrid ships and airstrike coming I think it's getting too much.

On those terms I don't see a big problem, but of course it will be up to Wargaming, we can see on this thread alone (and on the whole forum) opinions can differ widely, and someone always feel the loser whatever the action they decide, and they do have a knack for solutions that upset everyone.

You seem to be getting very angry totally needlessly, and seem to be seeing offence where none is intended, I have said enough on this thread that I wanted to say I won't bother replying any more maybe that will keep you happy.

That will depend on how good the new ships are though, they may be fantastic, they may be the worst line in the game, we don't know yet, apart from whats been shown in tests, which can change on release

No hypocrisy is people crying about "my country" over several pages when in fact it's all about gaining an in game advantage, (which you freely admit is your aim here), this is a computer game, all the ships and nations are made up, as are many of the ships, indeed plenty of them never existed. What if the new Dutch line turns out to be total crap to play, and the Groningen/Friesland gets nerfed into the ground, would you still be happy then? BTW try to keep this on an adult level, no need to start using personal insults, I did not do that in replies to any of your posts

And of course if WG did that the fact that you would then have a 21 point captain, usable on any of the new Dutch ships while the rest of us have to grind them, giving any transfer captained ships an instant game advantage has nothing whatsoever to do with this right?

Or maybe they could have not created a Dutch replacement and sent Friesland to the Christmas box gulag. While I do get exasperated by some of the stunts WG pull (ARP Yamato, gambling boxes and the Christmas box fiasco for instance) they are not the worst company in gaming in this regard, there are worse out there (yes really try looking at some of the mobile games), unless the new ship is for Doubloons or cash you can still earn them without parting with cash, you either pay money or put in seat time, it's not compulsory to buy, and if you already have Friesland it's not compulsory or even necessary to buy Groningen unless it offers something different.

Another thing to consider is it gives WG a chance to give the other ship a variation (admittedly that could be good or bad) rather than just making a straight copy

Don't tempt them, could end up like the Fiji / Belfast model, they certainly got their monies worth out of that ship

Ok fine I respect your opinion, but don't complain if WG nerf something in the transfer, and change the terms to be able to nerf it at will as with most of the new Premiums, or screw it up in some other way. Personally I think you are asking for trouble asking WG to shift it, but maybe I'm wrong

Why not?, as someone pointed out ships of all navies often work with other navies, and the Netherlands is in Europe, it's not like they included it in the Russian or Japanese tree, this only makes a difference if you let it. In game people will see a ship with a Dutch flag and Dutch commander voice, do you think they will see it as anything other than a Dutch ship?, does it make it any less of a Dutch ship because of the tree it's under? Friesland is not the kind of ship where you swop captains around, it needs a more specific set up than other Euro dd's so exchanging captains is not much of an issue This only annoys obsessive compulsive .types, would you prefer WG to remove Friesland from the Euro tree altogether?

All these suggestions are all well and good but means that code changes would have to be made to accommodate them, "we don't care if WG have to spend money" everybody chorus's, but WG surely will, also you get a dev to change stuff and errors can creep in. The current plan to keep Friesland in EU and add a copy paste is way less of a job than some of the proposals given, I mean what's the difference, you can run a Dutch flag and have a Dutch captain on Friesland already'(which I do), I'd far rather have stuff that works than perhaps get some foul up because of some convoluted scheme to exchange credits and change ships. I've already got Friesland and will get the copy paste Dutch version too .

Ohh come on, didn't you get enough when they introduced the Siliwangi?