GarrusBrutus

Best skill if you want to git gud? WATCH. THE. MINIMAP. ALL. THE. TIME. I'm looking at my minimap almost constantly, reading the battle. Where are the enemy ships? Where are my ships? What angles of fire do the enemies have? Who is overextending? Who is going to overextend? Where do i need to be in 5 minutes? Do i push or do i switch flank? Where are their DDs? If they havent been spotted, where could they be by now? etc. etc. etc. The constant flow of information I get from watching the minimap grants me the ability to make the correct decisions along the way.

Sounds like clanbrawls. Meanwhile.... 1,5 hr session: 15 games, 15 wins. 450k free xp. Don't mind if i do!

Because its a hard ship to play well: You need to know exactly what fights you can and cannot take. And unlike a Zao, she doesn perform when only at max range.

BOI.... Where to begin? Situation 1: You beach against this island to your left. Why? I guess to protect yourself from the BBs who are pushing up towards the flank? Really bad move since 1) you present them with a stationary target that cant tank their shells, 2) you severely limit your options to shoot, 3) you give yourself no possibilties to disengage. Next you move towards the centre of the map, while there is a JB pushing up there??????? Why? Now you walk into the mother of all crossfires for no reason. Situation 2. Now you sit BROADSIDE AND STATIONARY to their entire flank while your teammates are behind an island. This wouldnt be such a problem since you were undetected but then you SHOOT!!!!!! WHY?!?!?! Now ofcourse theyre gonna shoot you, since you gift them your ship on a silver platter while screaming "HEY YOU OVER THERE, PLEASE TAKE MY HITPOINTS!". Situation 3. The inevitable happens..... What you should have done instead. You're an IJN cruiser. Those perform the best while on the flank, kiting the enemy ships. Harrassing them using torpedoes and with their HE. You cant tank BB shells with your armor, especially not those from BBs two tiers higher. So you dodge using WASD and breaking line of sight with terrain/smoke. Whatever you do, do not reverse broadside while spotted!

Atleast the Kamikaze doesnt make the game toxic endorsing toxic gameplay without counterplay like for example Thunderer does: A pepega in a kamikaze will die doing nothing. A good kamikaze player plays a high risk-high reward game by using stealth and torpedoes. A pepega in a thunderer will spam HE from max range all game. A good thunderer player reks using AP and HE wisely and position himself in a smart way. Turned on Flamu's stream for a bit. Low and behold a typical Thunderer player: The guy is probably like: "Look at all the damage I did!" This is peak toxic gameplay imo. Worse than the "funny" HE spamming Kurfursts and Yamato's from back in the day, since this actually rewards these pepega's by design. And a thousand times more toxic than a sealclubber in his Kamikaze.

Achievement unlocked: Now do it with Indomitable.

Ftfy Anyway, the players showcased in this video played really bad and died due to their own mistakes. Going alone at the start of the game with cvs in it? Yeah great way to throw away your life. They probably would have died later in the match anyway. That being sad, the dd (and dare I say this counts for bbs and CAs as well) versus cv interaction is objectively unbalanced in the favor of cvs. You're basically rendered useless as a DD when up against a capable cv. This isn't the case vice versa. So although I understand OPs point about anti cv bias, as long as wargaming doesn't change things I fully support these kind of videos. Because it's ridiculous that even after all this time there haven't been any substantial changes in dd vs cv interaction.

Now they hold all the cards: They spot the most, they deal the most damage, and they survive the most. All other classes are inferior in one or the other. Imo, either the spotting needs to be dialed down (F.e CV-only-spotting or with a delay.) or the damage output. But most of all: MAKE. AA. PLAYER. CONTROLLED. I want to be able to git gud at fighting against planes that attack me. Now all I can do is press a button, reinforce sector, present a most unfavorable angle for the CV's attack and hope for the best. That straight up s*cks.

It has indeed always been this way, just more subtle. To make it clear: despite this thread seeming to be anti-cv, it isn't. People are just done with the ways wargaming goes about balancing the class. We all play wows because we like a naval themed arcade combat game. Cvs belong to be in such a game. It's just sad that despite all the testing, feedback, nerfs, buffs, etc., the way wargaming implemented them in the game, they're simply not fun to play against. I love playing against super unicum DDs, CAs, and bbs. Because it's challenging and rewarding for both sides. Sadly despite the rework, cvs by design still circumvent any form of skill from their opponent. This is anecdotal, I know, yet it illustrates the interaction between cvs and other classes quite well: I was in Des Moines, one of my best performing T10 ships. Met El2aZeR on the enemy team in his beloved Enterprise, a ship two tiers lower. We greeted each other at the start of the match, yet I feared he would try to take me out asap. Since I know he runs match maker monitor. So I went into this match knowing I had to use every form of counterplay there is. Needless to say I died by his hand. Misplayed? Perhaps. But I know that in any other non-cv ship he wouldn't have been able to do what he did. This power to pick and kill a specific target at will despite the target being on the other side of the map, very experienced, skilled and doing everything in his power to prevent this from happening, is gamebreaking in my book. #justdodgelmao

Because thanks to players like yourself , the game diverted from its path to the one its currently on: monetization and pay2progress, which result in a rapidly declining game- and player quality... Player numbers are steady at the moment. But will this game be fun for another 5 years? X for doubt.

One more reason to despise this class and everyone who plays them. People complain about cruisers hiding behind islands, about DDs shooting from smoke and about bbs sniping from the back, but cvs are crown champions when it comes to dealing damage from a safe distance without any risk of their ship getting destroyed. That is why.. You killing a cv is always a misplay by said cv, unless his team has completely collapsed and he has nowhere to go.

ftfy ps. cv survivabilty is around 70% in higher tiers. Surface ships 30-35%. Killed many of them you say?

idk its been so long...

Its already a rare ship that was widely used in KOTS and pre-CV CBs, only getting more rare when its taken out of the "shop". Since it is unique, unlike Hayate, I am more than happy to spend this much resources on her. Every top DD player says she is worth it. Currently working towards the 2 mil fxp, but with the upcoming clanbrawls that shouldnt be a problem.

No, that is totally different. With voting uneducated people vote for someone educated to represent them in the decision making process. With regards to game balance, most players cant see the whole picture because they lack the knowledge and/or experience. Top players have both, hence they can give better balancing feedback than most other players.

That is not the point. The point is that according to stats something might be balanced because noobs do close to zero damage and pros do close to 250k dmg. In other words: Stats can be misleading when judging the performance of ships.

Looking at average results is dangerous balancing business. F.e. Smolensk: top player does 200k avg. worst player does 10k avg. Result: Smolensk is statswise balanced. But..... DOES IT MAKE THE GAME MORE FUN?

So f*ck good players who would like to enjoy CBs/ranked then? Too bad for them, have fun facing the straight up OP outliers that play CVs.... ps. The stats of CVs are more extreme on both sides of the scale, hence not showing any "better" averages.....

Wow

"cheating" lel

See you in a few weeks. Just like previous times...

Are you going to indulge us with your grorious replays? Because my popcorn is ready.

One of those fails divs probably waited in queue for a long time, so as soon as the other fail div joined the queue it immediately created a match with whatever ships available.

Don't eat the yellow snow... I mean.... the black clouds.