GarrusBrutus

That must be why the playerbase just keeps on improving over time.

- A certain CC.

Much. Fun. The guy didnt lose a single point of hp until the team was hopelessly losing already and the enemies were pushing into our spawn.... ended top of the team. WELL DONE MAN.

Reasonable. You see, pushing with a larger force to one side doesn't necessarily have to be a mindless lemming train. With a numerical advantage there is a big chance that you take out one or two enemies early on that side, whilst the other side can just play defensive and stall. Two well played ships can stall a force of 5 or even 6 ships quite some bit. Giving you time to turn around and help them once the enemies on the other side realise that they face a smaller force and start pushing. Because by that time you will already be there to create a crossfire. In the end it all comes down to being able to read the battle flow. Don't just push mindlessly for the sake of pushing. Keep an eye on the minimap: what is happening on the other side of the map? Can I be of better use there? Is this move my team is making smart? Will it give us a benefit or are we throwing away our hp into the enemy crossfire? Etc.

@Northern_Nightowl In a game where you have 2 caps and the enemies have two caps, you don't want to put yourself into a situation where you have to push into them unless the time+points require you to do so. At this point you see a substantial enemy force push into your other cap, while there is just a lone BB defending and there is a friendly DD turning to defend as well. Go help them! This is a superb way to create a nasty crossfire for that enemy force. Your help there would be pivotal in stopping their flank push.

Why? Because the average player becomes worse and worse? That has been happening steadily since 2015. If from all the things that are wrong with this game (steadily more pay2progress, powercreep, more and more extreme tanky/dpm ships, lack of new maps and gamemodes, CV interaction, stale competetive meta, lack of tutorials for new players, etc. etc. etc.) the uptiering bothers you the most, then I am surprised you even made it to 9k games honestly. Since that has always been part of the game and it was A LOT worse back in the days with uneven teams and classes. Ofcourse, as do we all on the forums. Because we enjoy and care for the game. As I said earlier: The point you were trying to make about the matchmaking and the argumentation behind it, didnt match your skill-level. Which surprises me.

Then please enlighten me as to what the point is you're trying to make because my tiny undeveloped Neanderthal brain cannot comprehend. - you continuously show screenshots of +2 mm accompanied with complaints - you are the only unicum in this thread actually complaining What "point" am i supposed to take from that? That you're some kind of Robin Hood, defending MM in favor of all those poor players who cannot deal with +2MM? As to the health and balance of the game: player numbers seem pretty healthy to me and the last bit of balance is going to get f*cked from thursday on anyway, so w/e.

That is right, because Fiji tanks shells with her........ deck?

The point you're trying to make is a lot of Q_Q about how unfair +2 mm is while you proceed to sealclub and own them. Myoko and the other IJN cruisers especially thrive against T9 BBs. As your results show repeatedly...... The match is fair, as the opponents' cruisers face the same challenge. The only thing you have to do is outperform them. It's simply astonishing that a player who has zero issues being uptiered proceeds to whine like a 40%er on the forums.

@st_dasa last 21 days you have 80% solo winrate in myoko and super unicum pr and damage. What in the ever living intercourse are you moaning about? All I see is more hp to farm for a unicum like yourself.... Geez, grow a pair.

I am not saying it is a bad idea Ray. I would like your suggestion to be implemented as a test to see its effects. Just playing the devils advocate here to try to think of any negative side effects it might cause. Because if my team sucks, but I carry them hard into a winning condition, only to have to rely on the last remaining pepega player to run away and stay alive for the win..... It will be a lot harder to convince this player to hold his fire if this person isn't sure he will gain a star. For you and me this will not be the case, since we probably almost never end last of the team, but it still does effect us as we are being teamed up with players who regularly finish last of the team. By the way, the saturation of Gold with 40% mouthbreathing windowlickers is exactly why I stay nice and comfy in Silver. Reaping my rewards every week in a single session of playing.

Ofcourse. But as I already said: your other 6 teammates might not, and throw the match for the above mentioned reason. ;) so I think it would be a "one step forward, two steps back" kind of solution.

I raise you the Greece map, where as a sole dd on a team you're often forced to contest the neutral cap. If the other dd happens to do the same, you might end up stuck there in each other's proximity spotting range until either team kills each other and/or forces you out. Ofcourse this is a rather unique situation and i agree with you that the worst performers on a team often simply played bad. But consider this: until the post battle screen you simply cannot be sure if you gathered enough xp to not miss out on a star. So unless you're absolutely certain, a player will always try to get some more damage in despite a game already being won. This runs the risk of more games being thrown by weaker players for the sake of not wanting to risk missing out on gaining a star.

You know Wargaming is not in the "letting players know in any way, shape or form they're kinda bad at the game"-business.

Somehow I am seeing EU ranked streams on Twitch....

Your team is winning on points, but the last remaining friendly is a shima who just spotted for you. Do you think he is going to gift you guys a star or that he is going to yolo and try to gain a star himself, potentially throwing the match away? Yeah very well designed system. - _-"

Why and why? That's why it's randoms: you play against super unicums and against super potatoes. There is no "being skilled enough to face real players".

Wargaming:

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And still I encountered different players with different builds (granted, most of the time terrible players with even more terrible builds). These first weeks are going to be "fun".

^ This is what i imagine you looking like while trying to explain the above. Pikko, you truly live in your own world man and we play entirely different games. So you're DDs are on average worse than the enemies? Come one man, you know better than this nonsense. You start to sound like those matchmaking tinfoilhat players. Obviously in this situation youre not going to take A any time soon. That is why you give up the hopes of capping that cap in the near future and instead move to support the other caps. This situation happens almost on a daily basis: Your dd dies and the enemy dd doesnt. Does that always mean that a match is lost? Ofcourse not. The general player in a random match will ALWAYS try to win harder. At some point those enemies will get impatient and push. Which is exactly what good players can exploit. "Oh our dd won the fight, now i can push up!" <- This is perfect for any cruiser player. You punish their push after getting that early lead and once their CAs/BBs are low hp by the dmg from your kiting force, you turn around and retake the cap. You don't even have to spot and/kill their DD, since you capitalised on their early advantage and overall lack of tactical insight. You see it happen more profoundly in ranked: I played radar mino for the main part and 9/10 times i killed at least one of their DDs right at the start. I radared and killed their DD at the start. EZ win right? We have two caps and they no longer have a DD on this flank? Think again: My team started to push into their kiting forces one by one while my DD on the other side thought it was smart to cap the third cap, completely isolating himself from his teammate. This match was lost with 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! enemy ships remaining alive. Random players simply lack the tactical understanding to make use of advantages. So no, a random game where you lose one or two DDs early is not necessarily lost because at some point the enemies will atleast try to throw. The question is if you can capitalise on that pepega player instinct.

Why? In potential Colberts DPM is insanely OP, but in reality it is not. If Colbert did 200k average the ship would be insanely OP. Meanwhile CVs top a lot of the charts, but that is fine because they live the longest? Interesting view to say the least. ...if the DD is good. But as we have already established: Most DDs arent good. So it is highly likely that they let you run into their detection range or that they run into your hydro range or that they camp in smoke while you rush them whilst their torpedoes are on cooldown. You and other "CVs make the game more interesting"- folks make it out to be like the CVs are the only weapons you can deploy against DDs once your own DDs are dead while in fact there are plenty. Especially in objective based gamemodes where DDs are often forced to get into small areas to cap. You can, but it takes some skill and gameknowledge. Besides "doing something against them" doesnt necessarily mean killing them outright, simply capturing the objectives and not getting killed by DDs is "doing something against them" in my book, as you force the enemy DD into more risky play.

You can play a football match and score a hattrick and get two assists and still lose. You can also play a match where you do not touch the ball and your team wins 10-0. What is the point? The point is that you enjoy playing the game. You win some, you lose some, sometimes you contribute a lot and sometimes you don't. That is the essence of a multi-player game. There is no other point.

I don't say that either. What I am saying is that the game is way more interesting and fun without them, as the battle for vision control is a great part of the core gameplay. What I am also saying is that if you're a 3000pr player, you can play around any dd/bb/ca but you cannot outmanoeuvre a 45%wr cvs planes who happens to have a hard-on for me after watching his matchmaker monitor. That's why top clans unanimously voted against CV's in KOTS. I rather face players like El2 in a TX surface ship than in a T8 CV. Nobody freaks out. You try to make a point using flawed arguments creating situations that heavily favor one specific class, be it DDs or cvs. That's the whole point of the rock-paper-scissors design of WoWs: each class counters another one. Without bbs I would dunk on DDs with my cruiser, without cruisers I would dunk on bbs with my dd and without DDs I would dunk on cruisers in my bbs.

Naming and shaking, nice. How many single games are you going to show us that fit your narrative? Should I do the same? Would get kinda repetitive I assume. Posting random scorecards accompanied with nice stories "omg I lost because my cv was a mouth breather" vs "omg I am a unicum cv but we still lost due to mouth breathing DDs". Perhaps since they're both the least forgiving and the toughest class to do well in since they run the highest risk of getting killed early in the match? And we all know the average players' skill level.. Has no real counterplay? Lmao. In 2017 maybe, when stealth firing Khabarovsks were a thing. Nowadays DDs are the easiest class to counter. There are these "WASD" keys on your keyboard. Use them and you negate 99% of their damage. Also these days we have a captain skill called "RPF" that shows you the nearest target. Useful if you want to catch DDs in your radar range. Or do you mean those pesky gunboats gunning you down without "counterplay"?

Did his father drop him on his head afterwards or something? 39% wr is neigh impossible if you're a human being that is able to start up a game.