Jethro_Grey

What do you expect? The same survivabilty as a BB? Than play BBs, cruisers are squishy in nature and folks should try to adapt.

This. They claim that would brake the game, which is nonsense.

Well, they did not forget, you just have to remind him for say...500 Dubloons. Bribing always works and ensures the cooperation of the captain in question. WG is a company and like any company they main goal is to make money by providing a service - in this case a game. And by spending a few bucks now and then, people wont get broke and the game benefits from it.

In WoT yes, even thos the newer tanks don't strictly follow this polica anymore.

Switch from Coop to random game mode.

I don't like this development either, and all the measures WG is taking sofar, failed. Since BBs like to sit bow-in and snipe with HE, i suggest to take that away from them. Remove the fire chance from BB HE vs other BBs and reduce it massively against cruisers. This alone will force folks to use AP against other ships, and since you can't penetrate a BB from the front reliably, it could force them to move. Second measure which will for sure help in that situation: DEVs plan to introduce submarines, possibly AI only. Now we have a Yamato that sits bow on in the water lobbing lol-pen shells at targets in the distance...this sucks and no matter what you say, this Chicken will not move - they never do.Effin' pussies. BUT, let a AI Submarine torp that guy! Check for how long a ship is occupiying any given spot for X amount of time, spawn a Sub next to him and punish that chicken. Six torps per volley that take a maximum of 50% of the current HP off that "sniper" - unrepairable damage. Either people will be forced to adapt and move their effin asses or they will be pissed and leave the game for good - good riddance in any case.

Know that feeling, can't make the OP-ish ImpNik work either in 8 out of 10 games. I would really be happy to get one of those personal offers, maybe the Gremy? That'd be awesome!

I would have loved to see their chat after my revelation.^^ And i actually got complimented, must have been the Udaloi - not sure tho. I was only able to fire the rear turret during my tactical retreat, otherwise i might have risked getting rebalnced by their Yamato or Currywurst. While the result is bad even by potato standards, the game itself made up for it.^^ And when things get derpy, i still have my fav ships which rarely ever fail me. Ships that make me feel welcome and give me that warm fuzzy feeling. Like the one below, went passed the C cap where the majority of the enemyn team was heading, spotted the CV and went into a gunfight with him... Was taken out by a backstabbin' enemy Iowa that interrupted my gun duel with the Currywurst, at least the Currywurst had the decency to flood to death after my Shima got rebalanced.

When you look at the screen shots below, you may say "dude, that's hardly worthy of this thread!". To which i reply: little do you know about that hilarious game, little do you know! Bastion mode in a TX game, i suggested to take 1+2, but the other BBs in my team went to 3 instead. So did, everyone except me and a new Orleans. Well, it turned out, that the entire enemy team went to 1, which was a bit awkward and the NO got rebalanced by a salvo from a Yamato. During my tactical retreat, i was under constant fire from both enemy DDs, an Udaloi and a Khaba, and both managed to keep my ship burning. All.the.time. While a NoCar and two Baltimores were following the two DDs and tried to assist the two little buggers. At first i was hilariously salty, than i realized something rather funny: the large majority of the enemy team was chasing me! My mood lightened up and i kept sailing in a staright line to ensure they do follow me. They ignored the B cap and the ships of their fleet that stayed behind to snipe be the rear guard got wrecked as my team took the opportunity and destroyed them while i complimented the enemy team for their decision to chase ONE single ship. When they relized their mistake, it was too late and the game ended abruptly. Another failed lemming train, at least it was the enemy team that suffered from it. ^^

Gearing, Shima, Des Moines and Yamato. ^^ On a more serious note: Amagi and Fubuki are going to be most likely my most played ships this season.

And here i thought you want to see if i have those ships, and now you want stats? As you said: I will make one exception now and provide the evidence you requested in form of a screenshot. Since this discussion is about IJN DDs in generell and the Shima and Kagerom specifically, i'd be glad if you could do the same and provide evidence that you have those ships too. In regards to the reasons why i did hide my stats, i stated those many times over and i don't feel the need to repeat myself. My stats will stay hidden, they never were part of this discussion nor should they be. To settle this rather pointless discussion, i will provide the evidence to Bloodrose13 original request.

The questioner, eh? Well, let me explain that to you once: you are a random stranger on the interwebs, certainly not someone of any kind of importance to me. Certainly not someone i have to answer or prove anything to, definatly not someone who can make demands of any kind. And whether you accept my claims or not has no meaning whatsoever to me, take it or leave it. So, if you really want to see what ships i have, i suggest you do as i suggested previously: work for it and check the "Achievements thread", you will not be searching for long before you find evidence. If you can't be arsed to do so, than we both have to live with the uncertainty - you with the uncertainty whether i spoke the truth or not, and me with the uncertainty whether i should actually give a flying frak or not. We should close this chapter in our lives, and we have to move on. Ships pass by in the night...trading some shells...and move on like nothing happened. :p

You're right, that's what i meant, but you very very rarely see the "closing the distance to minimize damage" part these days.^^

The bow on tactic is retardedly stupid and needs to go - not quite by any means necessary but still. Sitting in the water camping was not what folks had in my mind when they constructed warships with the ability to move around. The bow on tactic has been invented by chicken unwilling or unable to use WASD hax and has spread like cancer through all tiers. Have to see how the Udaloi is doing after the nerf, but i think the change was needed.

Met Flamu, he sailed his Atago and was on the enemy team. My Nurnberg got citadelled very early on, i guess trying to get/ defend the A cap with a friendly cruiser while two tier VIII BBs were pussying out wasn't the best idea. We lost the game...obviously, Flamu got sunk but still finished top of the score board.

Is it weekend again? My game ended after 8 minutes, when a lucky shot into the smoke hit my ship, so yeah.

Thx for the link, but this isn't a surprise at all considering the fact that WG pulled all RNCs and changes their "thing" from HE to AP and this for sure isn't the last change.^^

Iirc, not immediatly. The stats change when a player is "loaded" into the game, then the stats change. Not sure if Captainskills are taken into account, but modules and camo should be.

When have IJN DD's ever been a one click solution? It is far easier to spam AP or HE shells at a target than it is to land a torpedo hit with IJN DD's. Claiming one thing or another is all very well and good, but you have no proof. Please put your money where your mouth is and provide links. And who do you think you are that i have to prove my claims to you? I wouldn't consider myself to be a extremely good player, but after 5k games i can handle myself and IJN DDs is my preferred choice of ship class when i want to get some thrilling gameplay or do some sneaky ship sinking. I did hide my stats when WG allowed it, this way i always going to be a question mark in both game and discussions where someone trys to play the stats card.^^ You are right that ships shouldn't be balanced against a small minority that does exceptionally well in them, That would be utterly wrong, as it would leave the large majority with a ship that is borderline unplayable. On the other hand, you shouldn't balance ships based on the performance of the larger majority, 'cause than things happen with ships like the Atago, which was very strong from the get go, yet received a buff in form of a (for now exclusive Heal abilty), based on the fact that the large majority of players couldn't make her work due to lack of experience or being generally potatoes and thus dragged her stats to the bottom. Finding a middleground isn't easy, but it's something that is of utter importance, you'll however always have folks who claim that a certain ship is OP or UP, no matter how well balanced a ship is. Certain aspects of a ship or a entire ship class need to be taken as given, thus my comparison with characters from your average RPG. Asking to change the characteristics of an entire class is like asking for a healer to do the same amount of damage as a melee fighter. It renders one class obsolete. DDs in generell and IJN specifically are ships that require a risky playstyle but is very rewarding when a torp drop oneshots a BB from full health. And this is why all DDs in generell and the IJN ones specifically are so very strong: you can literally oneshot BBs, but it's up to the player to maneuver himself in a position to do so. While nobody will ever be able to reproduce that with every single torps volley dropped - actually nobody should be ever able to do that - the damage potential of a DD is significant across all ships with the Shima being the best at it. Is the Shima weaker after the nerf? Oh yes, it is and that's a good thing, considering how many players actually played the shima, the MM was clusterred with DDs and you could basically walk across the virtual sea. Is she as weak as a lot of players claim? No, certainly not in my opnion. But folks have to work for it like any other class actually does, and a lot of players just don't do or don't want that. It seems a lot of players actually expect to hit every volley they launch wjhich is unrealistic at best. In regards to the stats you posted: i'm always carefull when it comes to stats, as they can be pretty misleading and are influenced by a lot more factors, e.g. folks who free xped their way to the ships, folks that "plays for fun", a.s.o.

Ah, i see. Not going to happen, as i don't feel the need to feed stats whores, so if you believe me or not is not my problem. So, if some of you care about my stats or what ships i have, i give you the same suggestion i give to everyone that is whining like a cry baby about how UP IJN DDs are: "You want results? Than you have to work for it - no one klick solution for you!" ^^ In this case fellow doubting Thomas(es)^^ : you have to check the "greatest achievements thread" as i posted there some result screens of my high tier DD games.

Oh really? And how do you figured i never played them? I do have all DDs except the Khaba, so my opionion is informed, thank you very much. If you play a stealth character in a RPG, you can't expect him to have the same ablities like a mage or Melee fighter. You rely on stealth and map awareness, and the same apllies directly to WoWS. The whole point of the IJN DDs is, that they are stealthy boats. And while a IJN DD player shouldn't seek gunfights with other ships, the guns can be quite punchy against other targets.

Wrong. They are not underpowered - at all. If higher Tier DDs would have the same or nearly the same reload as lower Tier DDs, nobody would play anything other than torp spammers. Well, if the enemy uses WASD, than maybe folks should learn how to counter instead of whining on the forums how weak a class is, but i guess that's easier then using brain.exe with common sense plugin. Why do folks even compare a stealthy Torpedo boat with a gunboat?

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This. As mentioned in a earlier post of mine, the Minekaze and her sisters are very very strong and when folks get the Mutsuki and Hatsu, they are disappointed and call those boats weak and UP, which they are not. It's just that the Torp reload gets longer and i think that's whats bugging them. The IJN line is fine, people just need to realize that the Tier V is just a bit on the strong side - wouldn't call them bloody OP at all as i don't want my Kamikaze and Fujin to get nerf-batted^^ - and stop complaining about how UP the IJN ships are. WG could save lotsa time trying to balance that line and invest the saved time into some balancing of CVs.

Yes, you don't, i do however. ^^ When WG introduced the feature to hide stats, i hid mine and since all third party sites get their data via the WG API, folks see the state in which my stats were at the time of going into "concealment". ^^ It's a nice way to troll people ingame and on the forums who drag out stats when running out of arguments.