Elenortirion

we [EU] crushed dem! [NA] 2-1, 2-0, 2-0 in this order

fubuki is tier 8, not 7.... [hatsuharu is t7] and no, you can;t kite a ship that is faster by nearly full 10knots [and I didn't forgot my cruisers, my cruisers decided to HE spam a distant BB at that point of a time EDIT: waittamoment I mentioned running away from khaba in błyski? damn I had to mess up stuff I have never got into TX match when diving with my friend's tirp...... at least not one with khaba...... EDIT2: I guess what I wanted to say in my previous post was trying to run away from khaba as fubu and from tashkent as błyski, that would make much more sense, but can't say for sure right now as I'm far too tired to think properly now [very late night] and I don;t remember what I was drinking when writing that previous post....

I think I've counted up 5! separate threads each of them created specifically to discuss this thing is there any ral reason why OP couldn't post this in one of these? no? thank you

depends on what you are taking as a baseline for "balanced" if you take current situation of IJN DDs as what should "balanced" look like then USN DDs are OP but then question is if it is not the case of actually IJN DDs being recently overnerfed and by thus being UP

4. We are seriously looking into the submarines, as they are in popular demand. They will probably not come in 2017, but likely at a later date. One alternative considered is having submarines as bots. lolololololololololol I'd like to see how this fares out with all those "engine issues" with it will it come with DDs getting their deep charge launchers? 5. The new Japanese destroyers and the British cruisers are scheduled for 0.5.12, if they finish testing in time. yay? I guess? 6. We do not like firing from invisibility. Destroyers firing from smoke is fine, but battleships less so. We are working to change the gameplay. interesting.... 7. We are satisfied with the current complexity of gameplay, and would rather make a bit more complex than simpler. hmmmmmmmmm another interesting statement 8. We are working on gameplay on high tiers towards less dominance of the battleships and more room for the cruisers. I really want to see that happen 9. We are not satisfied with the carrier gameplay, and are working on a better interface for them. I won't hype this until I'll see details of that better interface.... 11. This year will see another major rework of the captain skill tree, and an early version of clan functionality. yay for clan functionality but.... another captain skills rework? curious what they'll do this time...

[1] ironically I used to sail mutsu as Anti-aircraft destroyer at some point - quite decent when you landed with t4-t6 CVs in a game [2] to me hatsuharu is "improved" mutsuki although she drops the AA for the improvement....

I've finished rule the waves today.....

either you meant to write "what will be" instead of "that will be" or you are quite blind as they have already said at least tice that there will be compensation with one hint in the newer news that we won;t have to upgrade our "favourite ships" again after this hits....

I know that secret already I have this one as well - even tried today to train a bit my hatsu cap with daily win but I am not pro enuff to carry potato teams in katori.....

there is alot of things I could say on mutsu and useless is none of them

his point is that from 12-20km range the only hits you could get from torpedoes would be on those tunnevisioned oblivious to anything straight line constatnt speed sailing battleships - and even then above 15km only when lucky [because ya know spread on this distances also goes in a way making boradside BB fittign between torps.....] so as an anwer to you question "why to come cloase when you can" is - "because sometimes you want to hit something with those torpedoes and for that you need to come much closer than that ironically same stays true for a battleships and yet at no point WG have decided to nerf battleship ranges because of BB players taking "pot shots" throught the whole map

must be sth wrong with mah browser I only see upper and the one below

yup, this one [although I knew it at the title "liberator"....]

quite fast, considering he was talking about it half the discussion ago.... actually whole argument on "they haven't done nothing to compansate yubari for the nerfs" part started with mentioning this specific module..... better late than never they say ^-^

since when having range force you to stay far? of so that's why all those BBs sit back at the map broder sniping? because their main artilery range force them dto do so? [they allow you to chose the range of engagement, but do not force anything.....]

Battle of Samar [part of Battle of Leyte gulf] would like to have a word with you..... [fully functional YAMATO with FULL ESCORT had difficulties to fend of suicide rushing task force of USN destroyers.....]

and speed boost consumable! [and you mean really good AP for their DP guns? ]

if I recall corretcly action of one quite known movies featuring him takes a place on Iowa class battleship.... I think he would be able to notice the difference

issue here is, that according to currently datamined stats t5 mutsuki does not have access to 10km at all [stuck with 6km ones] I really hope they will rethink this one... >.> [on the other hand I'm right now considering rebuying hatsuharu - with currently "most likely" compensation scheme that could cut me half the way to akizuki.......]

I'd say that even with adjustments for balancing issues relative performance of IJN torpedoes to USN [and all others] should be more less historical which would mean that japanese destroyers should have best torps in the game [and on tier 8-10 where long lances kicks in] stealthiest while at it] were those torps in the opinion of WG overperforming? ok with all aspects taken into consideration maybe some nerfing would be justified but not to the point where it leads to everyone having better torpedoes than IJN destroyers..... so yeah I'm all for nerfing the range of gearing torps [and all USN destroyers that outrange in torps their IJN counterpart]

to be honest with limiting torpedo ranges on IJN Destroyers I see no reason to not revert the nerfs to speed and detectability...

care to elaborate? [lil bit too tired to google it ya know ]

if you get spotted with 5.5 detectability range, then I say you you have done something terribly wrong..... well - I was able to do it without ANY issues in hatsu who gut at best 6.5 if memory serves.. [if not worse] detectability range, so with half a brain one should be able to pull this out with THE STEALTHIEST ship in the game as for CVs targetting your smal little destroyer - I am able to dodge cross drop from two torpedo bomber squadrons without bigger issues if I happen to meet strike taiho or hakuryu and it will make me eat a torp or two from the third one then I'd say I am hurt in that less than this taiho/hakuryu because he have just wasted a full strike on small puny destroyer and won't be able to harm my teammates within next 5 minutes... also whenever I play DD or CV I just LOVE DDs hiding in smoke they are so good target for torps to the smoke.......

welp ok I can;t tell with 100% sureness that all those BBs fired only HE - at least one had to though as his only hit have setup yubari on fire soooooo as for topic - there are two options really assuming that minekaze/mutsuki will be nerfed in torpedo armament when compared to current version, then either: A) fujin and kamikaze R will become next gremyaschy - got out of selling cause OP [mindyou they still have not released kamikaze with that green camo so they could always rerelease it with torpedoes matching the minekazes and call it a day in case of IJN prem DDs B) they will also bring same nerfs with maybe some buffs onto those ships to put them "in line" with maybe some interesting "twist" to gameplay

dunno how with t8 kagero, but I'd say akizuki would not have much issue with enemy CVs.....