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especially searchlights! giving ability to spot ships from further while aiming in their direction [searchlights following the aim point of the main batteries] bu with a penalty to detectability range of yourself!

well unless release of KM DDs will come with a buff to hp of all other destroyers it won't change much the fact that akizuki health pool is on the higher side of DD healthpools of the tier regardless of KM DDs final stats. on the other side they may invalidate her usefullness in the game though - on this I can agree one way on another I am actually very likely to not stick out my nose too often out of tier 8 of IJN DDs after that revamp as I'll be prolly jumping between akizuki and kagerou depending on the mood

well the only uses of this insult I have seen recently was when either someone was whining on torps, or was to agressive defending current status quo personally I find it sorta funny how forums main whining have actually shifted against battleships in the very same manner as those very few reasonable ones warned when torpedosoup was main whine topic and people were demanding nerfs of high tier IJN DDs.... well it is not like you were not warned that nerfs to DDs will make World of Battleships a case again [meanwhile I'll contiunue to avoid being spotted by dem gunships and radarboats and will keep torping all those battleships with my new love - kagerou while keeping an eye on what WG will do this time ]

I said hit, not penetration - small difference in words big in meaning as for barbettes hits - I'm not sure if It's still a thing as last time I got barbette knocking down penetartion ages ago [year or two] the UI was describing the condition as "magazine hit received, unable to reload" while we could argue all day long on relevance of everything being said in game I think it could suggest turret's barbette as sorta magazine area. netherless without exact knowledge on how things are meant to work and how they actually work we cannot do much more in discussing this case - as the only "official" word on torp deonating magazine is in-game tip saying hitting under a turret have a chance to do so, and since I do not really recal any official dv word on how exacly magazine detonations are meant to work, any discussion on this is more or less meaningless speculation [ironically it may be also the case that magazine detonations are meant to be triggered only when magazine area is hit but the game mechanics on it beign bugged would count whole ship as such, with no one from devs realising it because of how rare detonations are... one thing we only can be sure - magazine detonations are meant to be WoWs version of WoT ammorack explosions, and even then we have alot more tools to prevent them than tanks have (magazine module, signal flag)] EDIT: I can and I will tell you that you can aim for the magazine in WoWs - the real question being asked here is if you really need to in order to trigger magazine detonation

there is one actually fix for it is exacly the same I suggested when DDs were "infesting" tier10 battles and people were raging about torpedowalls but WG decided to nerf ijn DDs instead and look where we have got? ah exacly in the very same spot I was telling nerfing torpedoboats will lead us to! so to bring it up - when there was so many DDs and torpedowalls were meme material as a "fix" for it I was suggesting bringing buffs/rebalances to CVs to increase population of those in high tiers - and buffing cruisers so they would serve more interesting roles than being battleship food - scouting provided by CVs being present in nearly every game would turn down alot the threat of torpedobats by early spottting of torps and spottign their creators, that would drive stupid-torp-spammer-shimakaze players out of there to cruisers which would now be also interesting option. instead WG decided to nerf torpedoboats [and carriers] so people would stop playing them for the whole merit of no more point of playing them and moved to the next "top" ship type - battleships so how to fix that? fix/rebalance of CVs to make them fun an engaging to revive their high tier populations so you se them more often than once a day is still within the reasonable "to do list", giving torpedoboas tools to defend themselves from brokenness of radars [or nerfing radars] would also be a thing to do, as for cruisers - with this new module I'm not sure how they go in the merits of fun and meaningfull role that is not being BB food - if it's enought of a "buff" then ok, but if it's not then it stays in the list of what to do to fix overflux of battleships hardcapping random matches MM while could be sorta okeish option is already officially being claimed by WG as something they will not do. and I'm not sure if BBs needs so much of direct nerfing - if I would nerf them I'd just nerfhammer hydro out of KM BBs and that would be most of it I have a vague feeling that the point of this thread is that there is too much battleships and "something" needs to be done with it but can be wrong though [like ya know pretty much same thing that was there before radars hitting the game where people whined about 4-5 shimakazes in t10 battle and demanded nerfing IJN high tier DDs ]

well I was answering the claim that there are more DDs than BBs in TX battles and personally to be honest I do not know if I find this amounts of battleshis per match troublesome as long as it is not a match of 4bb 1 cruisers 5 dds, where too many gunboats on the other side makes early game really tiresome and in those matches with "average" amounts of 2-3 dds per side I find myself quite often performing first torpedoruns on enemy battleships before even noticing enemy destroyers - thanks to our glorious meta where you can predict with 100% chance for every map, where, which team will go in first and where the midgame will be fought over. in those cases quite often scenario is that either all enemy dds will rush that "first to be secured" cap or the one that happens to get on the same cap as I do, flee from point either on the very first spotting or flee from there without bin spotted - by just seeing cap contested for a while also mostly when I spot enemy destroyer his first thing to do is smoke up and avoid engagement, so by this and thing above I rarely even see "DD battle" actually happening in domination mode it is nice to see that raw numbers goes so nicely along my personal observations ^-^

right, my badI haven't checked the screenshots from the first post xD the theory can still hold for fiji or schors hiding there... they also have hydrosearch right?

to quote: "welp I was just makkign a joke over your use of the word "shipgirl" " [although it seems I have misspelled "making" >.< ] found it on kancolle wiki akizuki CG page coments - they claim there the pic is made by the author of all akizuki official art will need to rewatch how to tirpitz as I totally don't remember what you are refering to xD

there is a reason why I mentioned "ammo magazine RELATED" areas instead of "ammo magazine areas" - in case of yamato abote the detonating hit seemed to hit in very close proximity to 2nd turret barbette never seen the torpedo triggering over "very tip of a bow" and it is hard to speculate on undocumented situations - without vids on the situations you mention [tip of a bow from torpedo and flagpole one] any discussion here will be just void [it is not like I don't trust you in your statements or anthing....] katori speculative shot over an island could hit literaly anywhere so it is not argument in the discussion at all

actually on average, whenever I land in tX battle I see more yamatos, kurfurst's and montanas [and izumos, iowas f. der grosse] than dds and thats coming from fubuki-kagerou perspective [usually there are 2-3 dds per side, at spike up to 5 dds per side with no less than 4 bbs per side, often more than that]

my shot would be 4th konigsberg somewhere in F4 - hidden out of line of sight for you, so you could not spot him back hydroacustic search gives the same icon as radar do

and hit points! don't forget the hitpoints! [as for penning 19mm armor plates - with my 127mm for the moment being as far as I hit the 19mm plate with HE it pens, so the whole "struggle to pen alot" for me is basically - "struggle to hit proper spot"]

the fact that you do not care about those stat ratings, does not mean that newbie starting a game is not learning his class based on those - if the game tells you one module is better than the other, then by analysing differences between them you may get wrong idea on what is meant to do what, if said ratings are based on wrong things [also spot range of torpedoes is not listed as far as I was looking for] while I do understand alot of people do not pay attention to those numbers - heck I've ceased to look up them so long time ago that only up until now I was unaware that those ratings are giving whole 9 points less to f3 than to type93 mod2, but in my early days I used to look up those ship comparision charts while battle was loading to see how much ship compares to the enemy version of it, an actually I didn't stop doing so because of those ratings being "from the moon" but because I have realised that it shows base numbers there - without taking into consideration things like captain skills or modules. so if now we take fair assumption that majority of players does not read forums, and that quite a good chunk of "average" DD players does not look up guides on how to play the game outside of the game, there will be wuite alot o them that will be mislead by what game tells them and will believe that only thing that matters in torpedo is how far will it go and how many of them you have mounted on a ship

that is slightly outdated sentence.... well ok maybe USN DDs can I don't know how it works for them as I never played those......

akizuki for lyfe! [i'll stay firmly in this opinion ] dem curves: EDIT: for added lewd factor: I did mention it was meant as a joke, didn't I?

ammoracked afaik detonation chance occurs only when shell hits area of magazines - while shell having to penetrate this areas has been disproved already the hit being in overal area still seems to be in effect - and that could be one of reasons why dds are most detonated class with bbs being less - the former ones are floating magazines, the latter one has alot of armor layers and only few places with ammo-magzine-related area directly accessible behind one armor plating PS. in tanks you can be killed with first hit to track with 100% surenes of you blowing up on one single merit - play medium or llighter, and get the enemy with proper gun, which can totally happen even within same tier..... PPS. as for OP - the only way the torp can detonate anything is when it hits below turret - even game tips tells you to try to score torp hits there for a chance of magazine detonation

I have seen it once or twice in the lifetime.... battleship in mention was in the middle of enemy team fired upon by everyone in range yeah when 7 people focus you down with HE then it is somewhat possible to light a battleship like this - otherwise, not really

well personally the only thing I find sorta opeish in BBs would be mostly for german ones, and I have really mixed feeling on them having that hydrosearch well maybe some other are just turning their rudder a bit tad too fast, which allows them to commit grave mistakes and get away with it barely scratched.... but other than that I don't have enought experience on them to objectively judge if they are truelly op or not at this tiers

reading with comprehension is a rare skill nowadays, let me rephrase it t you - the game have those survivability/artillery/torpedoes/AA/et.c ratings per each ship show roghoughtly show the ship capabilities in these areas torpedo rating is derived purely from your torpedo range meanwhile WG wants destroyers to not spam long range torps from far away understood it yet? no? so basically game is trying to tel lthe players that crappy long range torps are the best torps out of there and WG do not wants everyone to spam them from long range. suggestion is that before removing all long ranges from high tier IJN, MAYBE WG would change that rating indicators to acomodate for other stats as well as everyone who have learned the class will tell you out right that type F3 is much better than type 93.mod 2, while game is trying to tell you otherwise if you haven't understood it yet, then I'm afraid there is no hope for you

[1] except there are out there "destroyer hunters" that easilly can outrun all other destroyers [*cough*russian DDs*cough cough*] amd even removal of radar - while helpfull won't prevent beign chased down [2] that is just as much "avoiding" a question as the answer you poitned out is avoiding your question [3] aaand I guiess you never was in that situation when battleship citadeled your cruiser from bow on? [hint overmatching] although there is a matching scheme i nal lthose questions in a row though - in most cases they are avoidable by playing game skillfully - even with radar and russian speedboats a skilled dastroyer captain will be able most of a time to avoid being pinned down like this [last stand cap skill ftw], CV can be managing his plane routes and targets to not loos them so often to run out of them, cruiser can take evasive actions/angle to avoid alot of citadel hits...... battleship may not pack himself into situation where he is set on fire on all sections just after burning damage control team to put out another 4 fires! by ya know not charging in the middle of all enemy cruiser fleet alone, and use that WSAD buttons to not get hit as freqquently by long range crusier fire [and by deleting those of cruisers that gets close] "realisticly" [sic!] speaking destroyer would never take up alone against a battleship with any hope of survival actuallly the only historical record of destroyer picking up on a battleships I am aware off would be that suicidal charge of USN destroyers against yamato task force during leyte gulf battle - in which case the cpatians of those ship had no hops of surviving it I don't count those torpedo spreads from tsushima strait, as it was meant as nightime harrassment not serious strike.....

when I got detonated I lulz at it just as much as I lulz on seeign other beign detonated..... until I look on credits tab on the end of the match screen.....

thx for reassuring me in that fair assumption so it's same type 93 mod 1 and 2 that she has now/fubuki has now? [so maybe I shouldn't get used to those type f3 too much just before reshuffle.....]

well if we are choosing out of "fleet girls" then mental models do nto fall into that cathegory welp I was just makkign a joke over your use of the word "shipgirl" [as jumped from ship-gril to fleet girl in meaning] the difference between mental model and fleet girl though is quite noticeable - firstly of all first is just a visual representation of sorta AI commanding the actuall vessel, while second is atuall impersonification of the sould of ships of old first one mimics ships of old, the other IS spirit of said ship yeah semantics and stuff, we all know it is a ship-waifu thread [and then mixing up haifuri character into it falls totally out of place she ain't ship, she is captain of one ]

btw guys since PTS constantly refuse to work on my PC - I wonder - t8 kagerou looses access to type F3 torps, right? can anyone please check it for me?

I think I have noticed today robihr, but not sure, may be messing people up - for sure I have seen someone...