Elenortirion

dunno how you are launching yer torps but from this distances I rarely miss(ed) with my mutsuki [past tense because I sold her to get kagerou because takao mission and all in vein as they have changed it to t8 xD [mission that is]

and now I wonder what to do with my fubuki I have both fubu and kagero [both with permacamo] so depending on how collision that will happen there is handled I could just sell fubu right now and get nicey 8mill of silver [instead of however much silver I'd get from selling fubu on t6] hmmm choices choices....

does that take into account having mentioned hatsuharu researched? alongside with the split t5? [according to newest news page minekaze, one of previous ones showed mutsuki in that spot though] and another "interesting" case I have kagero with premium camo and fubuki with premium camo from kagero I get yugumo with premium camo and kagero t8 with premium camo from fubuki I get... another kagero t8 with premium camo and fubuki t6 with premium camo? how such collisions are going to be handled? EDIT: it is important to me because depending on hows that handled I'll either keep my fubuki or just seel it while I can get alotta of silver from her

I'd not put all CV players into one bag with such statements, in my shorty adventure with CVs I have found myself way too often on the first line o fire, because of wish to provie CLOSE support to my team with said team being so brave that even battleships were trying to hide behind me xD

personally I doubt the "one of two" part I mean - what would stop me from picking up akizuki instead of my current fubuki for t8? and I'm quite convinced right now that WG wants me to farm my way up the alternative line to get her one thing we can be sure - tier progression will not be lost, so if you are now in t8 you will still be in t8, if you awere in t9 you will be in t9 considering earlier cases of WG changing tiers of veicles in their game it can be fair assumption that having hatsuharu in port now, will give you main line t7 [i keep forgeting which one of t7 is in main line and which one is in split line xD] and t6 hatsuharu although this could lead to things like having hatsuharu without having met requirements for her - as there is split t5 before her one interesting way of compensation though would be 100% refund of silver cost of ships, modules being unfitted but saved, 100% of research and acumulated exp on ships being refunded as free exp and refunding dubloons from perma camo, with all caps being respecced and having one free retran available for them - so basically you keep all the "progression" of your work but you can redistribute it however you like, even outside of IJN destroyer lines if you think you don;t like it anymore or something would be prolly alot of work to pull out and I'm sure there would be SOMEONE whining at this solution as well xD

well the weirdest part for me is still having mutsuki in "better torps" line and minekaze in "better guns line".......

tbh I was not paying that much attention to their "assets" but indeed I totally failed to notice the ship models in the background xD well in kancolle anime there was a scene when one of cruisers was "insulting" a CV by calling her "flight-deck-check"

I don't know how it was in ancient times when I was not playing this game yet, but I have seen much later after heaviest of CV nerfs some people jumping out with how CVs are still OP because he as a lonly battleship got obliterated... with more nerfs following, while "BB mafia" thing may be poor choice of word, it haven't come out of nothing oh sure there were people with that minimal level of rationality, but as torpedosoup rage was going on, i was really hard to get throught all the whining even if 75% of first immediate responses was "learn to WASD", yet again whom seems to be listened to when the decisions has been made? for sure not those rational guys pointing out the real problem [tbh 4-5 shimas would not be as effective if there was a single competent CV player on the other side, but who cares on CVs right? ] and yet I more often see USN detroyers doing this, [as it was that hard to hit battleship with these ] and in 90% of cases when udaloi or khaba tries to pull it of it ends up eating torps..... sledgehammer was never good tool for balancing job xD interesting read I must admitt I often forget about things like damage or speed comparision when seeing my wall of 8 torps having barely any effect when the USN guy of the same tier with his wall of 10 scoring much more hits by the merit of alot more torps in a salvo [with comparable if not better reloads] well one thing for sur - if all current changes as we know hits the life server, IJN will no longer has any torp with range higher than 10km while USN if memory serves will have those... I don't rememebr at which tier starting gearign has them for sure, I don't recall what torps fletcher and benson had and I would not be surprised if in any case of next people showing out with how torpedo soups are bad thing WG nerfed shimakaze again because it has to be shimakaze, no way it could be gearing right?

ok lemme check if I don;t have it somewhere on HDD well seems I don;t have but nothing forbids me to get it..... shoulda work now

I've made a mistake of attempting early ranks in season two in ryujo after few matches of my trying my hardest, my teams being utter derps thinking I don't have anything else to do than cover them for their mistakes and blaming me for every single mistake of theirs, I've said screw this, jumped to mutsuki and enjoyed peacefull gameplaye of a stealthscouter with decent AA for its tier since then I have considered using CV once at season 3 or 4 [one with only t7 on higher ranks] but I wanted to get artillery hits for one mission first, and got bored of rankes before that happened so hiryuu has never seen rankeds by herself as well you don;t need lemming train of 12 ships to be abel to fend of CV planes of same tier - 3-4 ships in close proximity are often good enougth especially if there are cruisers with them even with such numbers the best CV can attempt to do is to trying to pick up the closes one, and with this sort of AA coverage it is already noteasy job to do

it's been a while since I've been checking these things but didn't yamato sploded because of qiute alot of aircraft based explosives bombarign the ship for quite a while? [tirp has capsized and I don't recall shiny splosion happening there.... ]

tbh I have a weird feeling that he has read too much of Hornblower books, which happens at the age of sail and thinks that the method used to stop flooding in the sailship from the hit below waterline were applied in same manner to the warships of WW2 but then I'm still not convinced that the method presented there is anyhow valid and that it would anyhow stop the actuall flooding..... anyway afaik best they could do would be to seal off the area maybe turn the pumps to get water out of "leaking" areas too vital to just seal off - in any case while not continually flooding the ship it would greatly hamper it's combat efficiency and one think I am sure - they would not be able to anyhow patch up the hull during combat - with carpenters on board or without well some people likes to believe in something that could explain current fails of game balancing in anyhow reasonable way without acusing devs as being incompetent or something I guess if I were to acuse them on any sort of bias here I'd rather think of it as anti-IJN DD bias than USN DD bias, but then I don't really think it's any form of bias, more likely just them struggling with balancing thing that is not easy to balance and using wrong tools for that - aka trying to do a delicate work with... a sledgehammer your overreaction on every mention of BB faction, BB mafia and all similar things is kinda amusing ^-^ and here is a problem which also leads to some believing mentioned above USN DD bias - sue they have made weird thigs to RN cruisers because they've realised that more smoke-he-spam is not desirable but at no point they've made it clear that they do not want destroyers launching torps from stealth - quite oposite in every possible moment where it is mentioned torps are refered as a weapon of stealthed attacks more so you mentioned two things - smoke HE spam and invisibel torpdo spam - quess who excels at the forrmer, and who gets on more and more slippery ground when trying to achieve the latter as promised yeah right, USN Destroyers are one of those who ecels at spamming HE from the smoke - to the point that recently in my adventures with kagerou I rarely find a USN DD captain who still rememebers that he should do some maneuvers when exchanging fire with anything that fires back - beginning with more and more often seen "duel" of two USN DDs sailing in straight line on paralel course at constant speed to each other exchanging salvos in perfect 1:1 ratio, and ending with a fletcher taking a noticeable hit from a cruiser when it could be perfectly dodged if he have slightly altered the course more so - 15km torpedo on t8 for IJN "torpedoboats" is apparently encouraging long range torpedo spam, while 16.5 km torpedoes on gearing are suddenly perfectly fine additionaly to a bag of weird WG decision comes their first ever "fix" to so whined torpedosoup - introduction of surveilance radar - hmm let me remind you who gets punished by this consumable and who is not - a destroyer who tried to launch torpedoes from up close is punished while the only spamming 20km torps from infamous shimakaze would not even notice the introduction of the module. you say WG dislikes destroyers launching torpedoes from stealth? then why they "dislike" this ability only on IJN ships? whle on the other hand even buffing USN Destroyers torpedoes? thats a food for thought for you, maybe you will find reasonable explanations that are not coming down to devs being incompetent, or biased for or against one ship classes.... PS. from every official source IJN destroyers are meant to have best torpedo capabilities in game, with USN destroyers having better guns - at the moment being theoretical performance of USN torpedoes are way to similar or even better in some cases than IJN ones and if the stats differs so much from their potential - it only means that just as alot of IJN DD captains forgets they have guns on those ships, USN DDs forget about having torps

well I'm that kind of a weird person who is going to play akizuki as close to her irl original as it gets - aka escorting bigger ships [most likely will end up playing her mostly when division with a friend is an option] in this role not being much faster than a battleship is not that important since I don't want to get too far from said battleship either. also in such scenario my main priority it to uterrly wreck the biggest foe of my friend - an enemy destroyer trying to torp him, or enemy aircraft trying to pick him a target - so yeah "utterly wreck DDs" falls into what I intend to do, even if it means hampered ability to help with dealing with battleships - for these I thought of making use of close range dropped torps to either force him to show his broadside to my big friend or make him regretting not doing so - unfortunately I can't have at the same time AFT, CE, HEAP, and doubled skill in torp acceleration tier and I do recall something much more wanted in said tier.... at this point I wonder thought how that -6% fire chance from HEAP is meant to be calculated - is it additive scaling percentage point fror chance of fire leaving such akizuki at -1% fire chance or it is factuall -6%? [on a second thought I may consider training up 2nd cap for her for those matches where I cannot hope for div with a good friend BB....]

well who knows what they were truelly about the last tiem they wanted push removal of these torps they said exacly this "because they were encouraging long range torpedo spamming" the uproar back then have made them at least delay the change but it seems they wantto push it throught anyway :/

ok that's a stample of approval on my planned akizuki captain build fires are nice thing but I'd prefer to be able to do my escorting well regardless if of angle of the approach of hostile ship

indeed because USN DDs having 16,5km range torps are fine, while 15km torps on IJN DD was "encouraging long range torpedo spam" >.>

but there are the cases where battleships starts turning on the blinker and even then manage to evade most of it and sometimes [in case of some german battleships] even all of them ya know that moment when you decently aimed your spread but only one torpdo conencted to the bow because he turned his rudder all the way into torps as soon as warning blinker went up.... afaik new tier kagerou is same kagerou as current t9 [even with slightly boffed rof?] and torpedo choices of t8 which leaves her with 10km torps and better 10km torps if memory serves [becasue slow 15km torps were op or sth ] guns are actually quite good one just need to know when and how to use them and then the only major issue I have with these guns is that they are not dp [like fubuki ones] meaning all AA being in those funny 25mm guns..... if akizuki is going to outperform kagerou "no matter what"? no. definitelly no. kagerou is faster, considerably stealthier and have twice as many torpedoes. Kagerou stays within original role of stealthy capper/torpedoboat while akizuki is purely gunboat - even more extreme cause of gunboating than russian DDs and if both were to meet in battle against each other, then with current state of akizuki, if kagerou would not have support to take on akizuki it can dissappear without akizuki never seeing kagerou or run away with only as much damage as akizuki will be able to land druing 180 degrees turn and that would be pessimistic scenario your comparision here is somewhat wonky because in everything that is weak side of akizuki, kagerou is decent or even good

.... lol

heh obvious troll is obvious! or is it... really? [and I call BS on this thing with "team with bestt carrier wins" - no matter how good CV player is he won't be able to carry a team that just dies faster than he can service the planes - at least as long as oposite team has and residue of brain between their ears - and I have seen alot of games where team with considerably better CV player has lost due to being outplayed by the other team]

that reminded me..... I must say that this uniform fits very nicely to tsundere heavy cruiser although I think I like kancolle takao more.... visually that is [dunno what charactershe has in kancolle xD]

well officially, split line was meant to be more gunboaty well I'm not sure is flamu stressed that out loud enought [i thought he did] in akizuki you are free to engage enemy cruisers as long as they are not angled if they angle it's same deal as BBs - aim for dem superstructure..... heck strefs vid on akizuki starts with him citadel wrecking broadsiding... not sure if it was atago or myoko..... as for dds going bow in against akizuki - well he can;t stay bow in forever if he is moving toward you if he's reversing he can't stay that way forever as well because even that 33kn will be sufficient to outmaneuver reversing destroyer - not to mention your teammates being really happy to open up against so slow DD - so unless they are running away with their aft pointed at you they will have to sooner or later expose broadside or die to your teammates which in both cases is win for you not to mention "crosign the T" - usually battleship tactic irl being applied here - very little of destroyers has any reasonable firepower being able to fire up directly to the front of the ship - so he can angle to prevent your ap from penning, but he won't be able to put any reasonable retaliation while doing so although one very interesting thing here is how things goes for akizuki with captain's skill revamp and leaked data on this? HEAP may be now very interestign option for akizuki to deal with angled destroyers - as long as bonus from heap will suffice to penetrate bow armor of DDs....

I'd swear my fubuki still rocks 19mm in places where she used to have 21mm earlier..... well after watching flamu vid on akizuki I'm doubting though that 19mm pen on 100mm akizukis HE [from datamined stats] will have to recheck it thought ut as I said I could swear current fubuki hull is 19mm with 13mm superstructure and flamu was not penning that hull with akizukis HE.....

sounds like high risk, failed to do monetise rewards game you see the idea behind "high risk high reward" means that you are taking risks but if you succeed you get high rewards - it seems that in your example you did not succeeded

ironically leaked stats says that akizukis 100mm guns have at base that 19mm he pen - even in a patch when akizuki was intruduced for testing purposes a whole DD branches got armor nerfed [any 21mm plating have become 19mm] to "make then vulnerable to akizukis guns this whole situation is so confusing >.<

wel lfew patches ago when IJN split was introduced into game for testers there was also overal nerf listed in patch notes to plating of dds where all 12mm armor was replaced with 19mm with explanation "to make them vulnerable to akizuki 100mm guns"..... [heck this one as overall class related nerf has also hit premium ships]