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What for? Meaning you can't get them for credits or doubloons in port. Guess you get them as rewards for whatever.

It is useful, though Shouhou kinda is budget Unicorn in that regard.

Need a Conqueror heal on your Kurfürst? Well, here ya go? Or what?

Uhmmmm, what?

Kagero without CE is terrible. Do you at least run Last Stand and Torpedo Armaments Expertise? If not, go hire a new 1 point captain and level them from scratch. It takes longer to get from 10 to 14 than from 1 to 10.

Yes, I suggested Yuudachi because of Poi reasons, because this is a business and you'd want to make money. Yuudachi sells. And uptiering by 1 tier is different from uptiering by 3. Would your Yunagi be balanceable? Certainly. It would spam torps all day, but the moment it gets spotted, it kinda just dies. Worse than Yuudachi. It would maybe be frustrating for people to deal with, but it'd not be "unbalanced". Yuudachi meanwhile is neither unbalanced nor that hard to deal with. It outspots all other DDs, but outspots the other T8 IJN torp DDs by a small margin, while being hard-pressed to get away if discovered (smoke saves it, but denies its own spotting) Any Kagero, Asashio or Harekaze can gun it down the way any other DD guns them down. In terms of balance, it basically is a TRB Kagero that traded all other performance parameters in for a bit extra stealth and smoke. It'd be great when you can use that exceptional concealment, but you'd get countered even harder than the Kagero when running into any T8 radar cruiser, which all can pop radar the moment they get spotted, as two outradar their concealment, while cleveland has sufficient radar range to catch you before you turn around. And yes, AA still doesn't matter. Even if you phrase it passive-aggressively implying that my statement is wrong, you can take a Kagero, then take an A-hull Harekaze or Asashio and tell me which of the two survived an encounter with even just a T6 Ryuujou that knows how to play CV. A B-hull Harekaze or Akizuki manage to shoot some planes down (but still not at a point where I'd risk it unless with Manual AA), given they get 10 cm guns, but against same tier, even they aren't going to get far. The only thing high tier IJN AA affects is whether you can try to snipe a spotter plane and whether you have to turn off your AA (Kagero and Shiratsuyu don't need to turn off AA, as 25 mm have the 3.1 mm AA range that matches the 3.1 km air detection range. Those with DP main guns need to, if they don't want to get spotted from 5 km or more).

The issue though, is that these two don't mesh together with much of the rest of the ship. It's a CA, with armour that cannot withstand much and it gets decent range, so it would suggest being played at range. radar is a short range asset though. On Atlanta, the radar complements the ship. On the Indianapolis, it becomes the thing you get reported for not using, when people think you should go into the cap and kill DDs despite it being one of the most retarded things you can do as long as BBs are around and able to blap you for it. And when you play it at range, it is pretty uninspiring, while up close, you lack armour and torps to survive these stunts. Indianapolis can be an asset, but frankly, every other T7 cruiser felt more comfortable to me than this one, except for NO, which I haven't played, Flint and Belfast which I also don't have, but wich both are OP.

Fun fact, Z-23 is now closer to Loyang in hydro range, but Loyang still has better hydro and actually received a hydro buff by about 100 metres.

What's the point of this ship? Unless it gets some serious armour, becoming T8 Hood, it's basically just shaping up to be crap.

Log in rewards aren't always bad. Don't know how common Pudding is, but got one drop and one from login. Pretty tanky though.

FTFY, poi~!

It is crap, yet it powercreeps the Kagero? What? Cossack was ridiculous because it had better concealment AND could murder Kagero. Next, if you didn't get my point on AA: IJN DD AA does not matter. They could as well have no AA. you aren't going to shoot down anything with them. With CV rework, they only get a close range aura, not even flak and the close range aura has crap for dps. Whether one ship has 20 of the terrible 25 mm guns or none, the outcome is the same. As for T8 premium IJN ships, there effectively is 1, as you can no longer buy a Harekaze. And some people might want torp boats that can torp stuff other than BBs and CVs. As a concept, this ship basically is a Kagero that traded some speed, a gun and hp for best concealment and TRB + smoke. It's the pre-nerf Shiratsuyu with slight buffs and T8 module to avoid it powercreeping existing Shiratsuyu. Shimakaze is the most played DD at T10. So, there has to be some fun there. Is it competitive... eh? But neither seems WG to care about Shima being competitive, nor did they care making Asashio a DD that is geared for competitive, as Asashio is basically THE torp DD for randoms. Absolutely garbage if it is pitted against coordinated teams or if T8 CB was a thing.

All things you can tweak and likely would have to. I just brought up the basic concept, but the ship only is 500 hp lower than Harekaze, you can give her the few hundred more hp, a buffed reload on the guns and it's kind of fine. Yes, the ship has no AA, but IJN torp boats all have poor AA. Kagero isn't meaningfully better. Asashio as a T8 premium (and Harekaze A-hull) have basically nothing. 4 of the crap 25 mm guns. What Yuudachi would have, if you don't adjust it, is smoke and TRB in seperate slots, small size to hit and a concealment of 5.2 km.

Would need to be an uptiered Fubuki/Ayanami/Akatsuki. So, like old Fubuki. Which of them would get the honour I don't know. An other option would be, to finally get a Yuudachi as premium, which could be T8 with T8 torps, TRB and smoke.

I'd not modify roll chances, I'd just lock it so that there's a common gacha for low tier crap boats with absolutely terrible odds (if any) for ever getting something beyond T5 and a better gacha that requires ingame currency, so you either whale or you farm that currency. If you want to have it grindy, you can make it so it's basically like steel, obtained by playing enough battles, or if you want to reward skill,give a ranking system where the top x people with highest solo WR for the month get a reward. The system would be utterly disgusting, but hilarious, when it is far harder to be a single-class main, when you basically could roll from König right into next tier Leander.

Well, guess at least one perk of having a job during the day. You don't care about these things.

It's a nice game, but the recent announcement have made me cautious about investing further into what becomes an ever more broken, mindless and eventually frustrating experience. And if you look at things like player retention rates, people don't quit after an average of 3 months because "where's da subz?" or CVs are ruining their every game given running into a truely competent CV captain is a rare occurance. And that we need to release stupid lines and premiums with very questionable design and add submarines, because "we are running out of content" says a lot about the priority of fixing the core gameplay vs just flooding people with crap in the hope they will stay too excited to realise that a Daring will still just be as likely to eat 10k from a single AP pen as any other T10 DD and it will still tilt you off when it happens. There are games that actually are playable for decades and their communities keep at it, because the core gameplay is fun and balanced, but WoWS...

Are you sure about that?

Second half are pretty conservative things, first half is the radical stuff. But yeah.

I'm more bummed, because I now have to go sub hunting too. You know how fun it is to play "Where's Waldo" with an Asashio? Then try this crap. Sure, if subs are all that's around, I'll go hunt them, but unless they are easy to find and kill when overextented... which they won't be, because they have short range torps, they need to be up close. Eh, currently all torps are red warning indicators. This is more to reduce the stress from suddenly getting a torp warning from torps that clearly miss you or just cannot hit you (DWT on DDs). Currently, you hear a sudden beeping sound and go in full torp dodging mode, just to look around and see that it's torps passing by 4 km behind you or some deep water torpedoes running right underneath your keel. With a more differentiated warning system, I still get feedback, I discovered torps, but I know when I can just ignore them and focus on whatever I was currently doing.

I know it's not the point of the thread (implying it has a point), but a more entertaining thought struck me. It wouldn't really be good for the game, but imagine, if the actual way to acquire new ships wouldn't be grinding them, but through a gacha system, kind of like the the special ship missions from containers (but with guaranteed ships, not just a chance at getting a ship at all). When you get a dupe, you get doubloons for it and with enough doubloons from dupes you can buy what you actually want. You get three containers from grind per day, more you'd have to buy. Suddenly every player is likely to be like that one guy with no high tier experience buying a Derpitz. Now go back to discussing whatever this is actually about.

Yet there still is a spoiler with more text... And you know that there will be more such posts in the future.

Starting ships aren't locked. New ships you get asked to lock everytime you get your first copy. Also, lock Long Island, btw. Same issue as with Z23.

Unless it's a Shima, 7 torps evenly across the ship could be survived by some Yamato or Kurfürst too. Torps are a good tool though to get Stalingrad out of its position into one where they are more vulnerable, because they often use spots where an island covers a flank, so they don't get shot at from there. Make them retreat far enough for a BB at the other flank to have shots and that's it. Stalingrad/Moskva also is slow to recover from mistakes like these.

I like Azur Lane a lot more than WoWS. And they seem more willing to own up to mistakes and fix them (e.g. translations), instead of telling us they need more data and maybe in two years they see that it needs actual fixing so that at some point within the next decade an actual attempt at fixing the issue is being made.