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Heavy cruisers are already planned to get armour upgrades, so, well...

Friendly one? Because you seemingly got destroyed by main battery fire and Asashio wouldn't survive a ram on the enemy.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/9009-what-were-your-greatest-gaming-achievements-today/ Most pointless post I saw today.

I have had more issues with Moskvas deciding to yoloram my ship than with DDs trying to yolotorp me. But I also don't go "well, that's retarded, that cruiser shouldn't get 50 mm plating to be bowtanking my BB", but rather I consider that maybe I should account for the possibility that a cornered Moskva can actually go for the ram and that a DD might actually try rush me with torps.

Or mediocre, but the only person in a ship that gets silly modifier.

That's also Musashi players that have deep red Musashi stats and noone calls that Musashi good. Nevertheless, properly played Musashi is a good ship (given it's a T9 Yamato which is a good ship). Asashio meanwhile, people don't complain about Asashio being crap because people play it as second-line torp spammer, but because the ship in first line isn't even great. It's at best passable as scout and as cap contester. If others take care of cruisers. But there are just too many limitations on the ship to make it anything other than a premium potato harvester.

Because... Those are two different parameters. Average stats say he is average. If he ends up there in Sims, then because the increased exp modifier makes it easy to get there.

Frankly, 20 widespread torps for one reload booster is basically betting on intimidation alone. You won't land any significant number of torps on the same target and any BB that gets hit by a single torp is not even crippled. And you know what scares BBs too? When their DD in front of them just died and they are left alone with whatever that T8 DD may be. If you have any idea of how torp DDs work, you also know how much of an open distance you can cross without threat of random torps, because torpedoes normally don't go through landmasses. IJN smoke duration is nothing "long". It's decent, but that's it. Given Asashio does crap all in direct damage to BBs with HE, I'd consider sitting in a smoke cloud for 80 seconds a bit of a waste though, especially given the hyped spotting this ship is supposed to provide. And guns that turn slow, reload slow and have normal DD pen are maybe ok for killing off DDs when you kite them, but cruisers and BBs don't really need to give a damn. Contrast to ships that either throw out enough shells to reliably set fires, can fire a lot of AP or are suited for IFHE builds that pen stuff. This is nonsense. Many people who hate Asashio, like me, hate it for its limited versatility and maybe for how it is basically a DD for noobs to get anything done (though people often fail even at that). Because Asashio is not good at typical DD duties, but basically only at killing BBs, a job that DDs already were decent at in general and where Asashio gets better in exchange for not being able to deal in any efficient manner with cruisers. And the comparison with Musashi is just dumb, as Musashi is: one of the best BBs for its tier, often regarded as OP. can nuke BBs of any tier, but also cruisers. It isn't arbitrarily more restricted in target choice and is the most lethal T9 BB vs T10 cruisers. From any reasonable range, Musashi is an absolute tank, which is unsurprising given that when not flanked or under aerial attack, it's a Yamato with less superstructure. This thing is harder to kill off than a FdG when played right. Also, at 12 km, it scares off any cruiser, because noone wants to even try tank that. If a Musashi hangs out at 20 km it's as useless as Asashio back there and both will get appropriate responses. So no, Musashi is not comparable.

6.6 km concealment is basically just about workable. Jervis and Akatsuki have you beat by a couple hundred metres, against the likes of GM, Shiratsuyu, Haida, Z-39 they outspot you easily. The hp pool of the Sims is also nothing special. For solo play, I rather play Akatsuki than Sims, because better ballistics, better fire chance and better torpedoes. If I even want to play T7 DD, because when you get outspotted by an Akizuki by about half a kilometre it's not very fun and as a support ship Sims offers great smokes and defAA, but neither intimidating firepower nor a good set of torps (in contrast Akatsuki can still fire 9 torps every 69 or so seconds, which have great range and are actually lethal when they hit). Sims in randoms basically is a good enabler for team mates, but unless I play div, I'd rather not. For the Sims, WR is 50% if you round to the nearest 50%. PR of Sims gets inflated by increased base exp modifier, which the ship is famous for. The person in question has few games in other T7 DDs and across the board has not great performance in any DD. And regarding holiday season, that person likely didn't just start playing in holiday season and over the last 180 days their WR averages fluctuated within a margin of only 1.04 percentage points overall. I'm not going to go dissect stats further, but this is at best an average player and while they at least on average aren't a massive burden on their team, one shouldn't pretend that this performance is anything to be proud of. Up to them whether they want to improve or not, but if this was me, I'd rather not have my stats posted on here for comparison. And in no way does it justify the Sims. There are better T7 premiums out there for anything other than AA and Operation Dynamo. Maybe in T7 CB (if it ever was a thing, which I doubt, as it is the Payfast tier), you could see Sims being used due to the smoke (though I'd guess replacing Sims with Flint and taking a Gadjah Mada or Haida is more useful).

I mean, it can be a target of HE spam. It's just that HE pens are deplete your hp pool too fast and are 50% repairable, not 100%. But Hindenburg is easily one of those cruisers I don't mind shooting, because it's large and not very maneuverable. And its return fire is also not the same as with others. Your lowest T10 cruiser WR, except for Stalingrad? Guess the proof is in, Stalingrad is not OP! No, but really, your personal stats prove basically nothing.

Cossack has 5.5 km concealment, smoke + hydro (even if not a Loyang, it's no joke) and 4x2 120 mm guns that have the second highest HE dpm (and third highest AP dpm) of all T8 DDs, only really outperformed by the Akiduck and matching in AP almost the Harekaze, while in HE it is a bit above Benson and Kidd. Cossack has floaty arcs (reason I still prefer Harekaze, together with the awesome HE pen), but the Sims uses USN mortars too. Sims has a good HE dpm for its tier (not best though, Mahan and Haida have it beat, Gadjah Mada and Jervis are close) but nowhere in the same ballpark as a Cossack and while Sims can be insanely agile, Cossack is the second most agile DD at T8 (after Lightning) and with 6.6 km detectability, any Cossack easily can spot the ship first. Whatever the case is, Sims cannot handily defeat a Cossack and major misplays were made if a Sims can beat two Cossacks, even if sequentially. Basically, the Cossack has to be baited into a chase of the Sims, but that relies on the Cossack to be dumb, not on Sims to be good. Wanna add WR and number of battles too? It might tell you something.

Well, that's two dumb Cossacks. There's a reason Sims is dead last on average damage among T7 DDs. And while the guns are ok, they are nowhere close to Cossack's gun armament. It's lulzy when you have such games, but I'd caution to sell a ship based on freak incidents.

When the only source of damage that 5 repair parties reasonably adress is negligible, then you could have 3 of them and still be fine. Hindenburg with LU is like the ship that really needs repair parties the least. As it's a global nerf, this hurts her less than competition, imo. Hindenburg thankfully is one of the less stealth dependant cruisers at T10, while having still workable values. BBs will get hit harder and that helps Hindenburg a bit. It's more problematic for any cruiser that could actually use the stealth, so T8 ships like Mogami getting less window for torp attacks (but still enough) and Edinburgh or Cleveland losing out on counter-radar potential.

USN tech tree BBs have 38 mm at T8+. Atago has 41 mm.Some low tier ships have around that. I think Orion/Iron Duke, Ishizuchi, Kongo, PEF, Fuso and such might be pennable with IFHE 203s in more ways, but there's better things to invest your 4 points in on a Furutaka.

For merely spotting targets, Asashio offers little over other DDs. Yes, it has 5.4 km concealment. One of three ships at 5.4 km, with a few more joining in at 5.5. The issue is, unlike for example a ship that can take on enemy DDs, Asashio is far less capable at denying the enemy spotting. As a Harekaze for example, one of the main advantages I hold is that enemy DDs have to keep me in mind not just for my detection, but because if they run into me without support, I can put out some serious hurt. Vs Asashio, the amount of threat Asashio poses is based on the amount of threat the backup poses. And the spotting also does not make make up for lack of impact. Basically, if you cannot nuke BBs fast, what is the point of your ship? A Benson can reasonably well spot and contest spotting, if a Benson gets damage in on cruisers or DDs early with guns or torps, that ship has already way more impact than the spotter with odd torp on a BB. I think you misinterpreted words here. Negativvv is not denying that success is possible in Asashio. Meaning, that it is him not denying the fact that the ship can be successful.

The issue here is that it "feels" that way, thus it's a difference in feelings, which are subjective. For example, I find Kii a somewhat comfortable ship to play, as far as T8 BB go in general. Angled the armour holds up, 10 guns even with 1.7 sigma are powerful and the AA is among the best at T8 (just a case of whether you prefer NC's massive short range advantage or Kii's slight long and mid range advantages). Together with the credit earnings from Kobayashi camo, I take Kii over Bismarck these days just for the versatility of having some strengths in most areas, just not being specialised in any. Except maybe AA.

I don't own a Gascogne, but I don't feel like the Kii is doing too shabby. Tirpitz I would guess does slightly worse than Bismarck, as the higher tiers offer less chance to torp stuff, but Bismarck does fine, given the ship is all-round solid with good armour and hydro. Kii is not too terrible either. Basically an Amagi that is a bit less fool proof but has a more versatile kit.

No, he's saying that bringing Henris to a lineup in CB helps a lot against Stalingrads and the ship is good in general. Nothing to do with PEF, just as an advice to someone who stated they had trouble beating Stalingrads in CB.

Prussia flag is in the Belle Epoque collection though, which is free.

What's not fair? That wehraboo feelings got hurt by Bismarck being a decent T8 based on technical specifications and not being put at T10 because of whatever overhyped narrative of how powerful the Bismarck was? Want a Wehrabingo to feel better? It is a rant.

You can overmatch NC only at the bow and stern, as the mid section is 38 mm. Bismarck and Tirpitz have even less 32 mm area and basically are mostly around 50 mm. There's a sharp contrast between overmatch in a few sections and overmatch everywhere. It's what for example allows Bayern to be still somewhat tanky vs T8, while Dunkerque just falls apart when hit. And the difference this makes in HE resistance is even more pronounced. I'd argue most T8 BBs do, by virtue of being T8 BBs clad in 32 mm armour at the very least, with reasonable speeds and main armament.

Pretty much this. At the very best, Asashio can manage to devstrike BBs, taking them out. But farming damage on the ship class most resilient to damage doesn't translate into much match influence. Even with the disproportionate killing power of the Asashio.

I mean, if you can get her for free, it's a free ship. Not going to say free ships don't deserve to be competitive, but at the very least one shouldn't feel bad for it. Just play your steel missions, derp around in randoms and you'll be fine. And Poi captain? You mean Azur Lane Hipper and Aurora? Yeah, Hipper would be a decent 10 pt starter pack. I don't own Vanguard, but given by the values stated by LWM, the ship seems to at least have enough AP pen to work at range still and when not, the HE dpm is only behind the Monarch and the IJN BBs, not among the worst in the tier. The PEF hasn't got an above-water citadel, but short of IJN and maybe the Dunk, there's nothing easier to citpen at T6. I'd likely give the ship a pass, because it looks like work, but doable and the strengths of the ship are not situational AA and secondaries. PEF to me is a ship that looks like it wants to brawl, which at times needs to brawl, but which overall is at best passable at it, if it manages to catch the opponent unprepared to deal with the ship. I'd rather take a Kii into a brawl than a PEF, as while it has citadel protection issues, Kii at least has a set of torps and combined with 10 guns can be a real knockout blow. 8 PEF guns rarely can achieve that in one go. Vanguard meanwhile seems to not be designed to hang out on ranges like that. Neither is to me something I'd spend money on though, personally.

Citadel is also smaller and rather protected. If you don't show broadside, likely you won't be citpenned.

Or maybe he should start doing it properly. Isn't T X, it's T XXX.