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Because climate change isn't getting rid of the buggers fast enough. But really, this feature is just kind of silly. I see no real point in it. High tier maps usually are already often starved for cover, making parts of that removable is just going to screw over cruisers. If you folks wanted to make interesting map features, how about putting some map features on Ocean, so people who play something like radar RN cruiser can actually play this map?

2: Albany (got none other there) 3: Varyag (same as above) 4: Yuubari (though the AA nerf hurts) 5: Furutaka. Best T5 cruiser. 6: Leander/Perth. Hard to decide. 7: Myoko. It's just overall solid, imo. Helena's a fun ship too though. 8: Atago, but this was a very hard one to decide. Cleveland still needs gun sounds fixed for me, but is close. 9: Alaska, though Ibuki is great too. 10: Zao. Sadly I have to fill the Stalingrad role in CB. Waiting for Yoshino.

Faster than Graf Zep? Also, given it was a flak buff likely, continuous dpm management doesn't help, so I guess my 8 plane on like first barrage was normal?

How about you count if all the DDs are accounted for. Look for last spotted position and remember roughly the time, as they can't just teleport across the battlefield. If you know all DDs were spotted a good bit away and have no avenues to get close, I guess you can be somewhat safe. If however some DD was unspotted for long enough to cause uncertainty here, you should be careful when you get spotted by invisible ships. and none of that needs vigilance. Neither Vigilance nor Superindendant are recommended skills for Shima though, as extra torp detection and extra smoke are barely useful compared to Torpedo Armaments Expertise (10% off your long reload) and Survivability Expert (an extra 3500 hp, so, like 15-20% or so) is way better on a DD and far less situational.

Alaska with defAA should be capable of doing this. Once saw a Shokaku squad lose 8 planes in one go to my unbuffed Zao though. Are Shokek planes that paper?

You heavily implied that it performs better than its tech tree counterpart, which would imply a certain degree of OPness, but in any case is wrong. Ibuki likely overall is a better ship than the Azuma and Azuma by extension is hardly "strong". At best it is playable, provided you don't have to go up against an enemy team that is good enough to require you to actually go near them.

*laughs in Stalingrad and Alaska* They also got the added deterrent of radar, so Harugumo needs some hard cover or get blapped out of the sea by 305 mm AP. Hindenburg and Moskva can do about as reliably as Alaska and Stalingrad. Zao and Henri can bounce them off the entire mid section, Des Moines, Worcester, Ibuki, Atago, Myoko, Aoba and Furutaka can bounce them off the deck. One more heal charge and shorter reload don't help when you eat citadel damage every time a BB sneezes at you. That's not "competitive", it's basically just an excuse to not invest 3 points into SI. Also, Stalingrad is about as foolproof as a Yamato.

Not my best match, but likely the lulziest. I'm literally just posting this for @El2aZeR ... CV brawls! Sadly my companion was less fortunate, so we lost. Should've specced into secondaries.

I was told not to post silly stuff about Clan Battles in here, so I guess I'll post a Cag.

3 points for a very situationally useful skill. Frankly, I don't know any cruiser where I'd spec into Vigilance, even if there is not a whole lot of good 3 pts, because there always is one better 3 pt (DE or SI) and I can think of good 1+2 point combinations for cruisers, given JoAT and EL can pay off a lot on heavy cruisers, while light cruisers usually aren't spoiled for points anyway with the need for IFHE.

Icarus is 6 km detection with 7 km torps. Jervis gets 6.3 km detection with 7 km torps. So, what?

Icarus gets 7 km torpedo range.

Thing is, if I play a T8 BB in T10 match, the enemy gets a T8 BB. If I play a T9 BB, the enemy gets a T9 BB. If I am a Bismarck, being at least as useful as the enemy T8 is way easier than trying to be as useful as other T9 BBs in an FdG. In general, I play Gneisenau more than Bismarck just because of the matchmaking, but FdG and GK piss me off so much, I was considering taking the one captain I have for both ships and respeccing my Thea for Graf Zeppelin or something if I get the ship, because I don't need a 19 pt captain on these turds really.

Post-rework, you only do that with terrible CVs. The bad mid and short range AA means once people get through long range they are free to drop you. Kiting Nagato, Ashitaka and KGV can still give you problems if they know how to play and angle their ship inbetween salvos. As long as they deny you the use of torps, they can be a real pain. Tbf, this is a case where secondaries come in handy and while maybe not optimal, Gneisenau is one of the best ships to spec for secondaries and get results out of it. No, the guns are T8 and not T6, because Bayern gets WWI grade guns and ammo, Bismarck and Gneisenau get WWII grade. Bayern like most big gun T6 BBs has actually lackluster pen compared to the T8 versions. Same deal with ships like QE vs Monarch or Mutsu vs Amagi. And yes, penetration matters. It's why ships like the West Virginia with unnerfed penetration, bringing basically T8 grade guns to T6 just citadels other BBs at its tier with ease and why a few days ago I for example citadelled a Colorado through the bow in my Monarch, which QE would not do at 13 km. And if you get bowtanked by a Seattle, that's on you. Seattle has 25 mm armour. Your shell goes straight through that due to overmatch and into the citadel. Bismarck has enough penetration to deal with the threats it faces, even at T10. At most, you just no longer can overmatch T8+ BB extremities, but no T8 BB can do that. Issue with that is that the turret angles on the FdG are even less workable, the guns are now just a straight dpm upgrade, they provide not much in additional valuable pen, the Bismarck is more nimble to make your turrets work, the FdG deck might be partially stronger, but 50 mm already deals with most HE spam. 80 mm just eliminates a select few ships. Overall, the FdG is an upgrade over Bismarck, but it is just too poor of one, compared to what other T9s are. And that's why the FdG is terrible, while Bismarck is not. Because in-tier, Bismarck compares way better to its competition than FdG does to its companions at T9. If you compare the German line at these tiers with the IJN line, which is a line that kind of stays competitive from T4 to 10, the Bismarck has a fair trade on Amagi with its way better deck, better secondaries, hydro, AA, turret traverse, while Amagi brings mostly a reliable heavy hitting broadside compared to Bismarck, as well as torp protection. Amagi is a bit more accurate than Bismarck, but not by an whole lot as long as it stays close. Meanwhile at T9, the FdG 80 mm deck provides exactly nothing over Izumo's 57 mm deck (nothing will ever fail to pen 80 mm but pen 57 mm), the secondaries and reload of the FdG are better, but turret angles are way worse, the side armour is worse, Izumo gets accuracy and penetration that is unrivalled at T9, while FdG accuracy is practically a meme by itself. Pre-buff even the FdG secondaries were basically Bismarck secondaries, but one tier higher (while Izumo gets way better secondaries than Amagi, for those who actually spec IJN ships into secondaries). So, you basically got (and kind of still get) a meme ship that has specialisation in derping shells out and in secondaries that half the people discard because it does not befit the meta at high tier (while Bismarck at least has a chance to see T6, where it can be useful). Basically, the German BB line, after Gneisenau is a rapid descent in competitiveness, as the Gneisenau still got some place at T7, the Bismarck provides something over its competition, the FdG is still the worst T9 and Großer Kurfürst is basically either the HE resistant ships for people too dumb for Yamato or the 4x3 layout for people who dgaf about aiming in Montana. The sole thing FdG and GK really do exceptionally well compared to competition is IFHE secondary memes, which in competitive is questionable, but hey, some people just play for that fun.

I wonder when we'll get WoWS' very own shipgirl Monaghan.

@Beastofwar Did you ever consider, that maybe, better players just develop an intuition for when to expect torps, do regular maneuvering and get by with the unbuffed torpedo detection? Vigilance is a waste of points because it helps ships if they rely on dodging torps upon spotting torps, not on making constant adjustments to your course to just never be where the indicator predicted you are supposed to be. And when you develop that skill, you don't even need those 3 points in a BB, rather going for skills like SI and BoS, which help mitigate the damage you cannot dodge as easily.

Gneisenau and Hood can, as can T6 Bayern, QE, Warspite, WV and Mutsu. The difference of 38 cm to 40.6/41 cm guns is that 38 cm cannot go through 27 mm, which only applies to T8+ German and USN heavy cruisers.

1,700 max damage per HE shell. Given you would need to HE citadel a ship type that has no citadel, you will never do 1.7k per shell, but 1/3 of that, which is what a simple penetration does. With at most 6 guns on T6 CVs, this isn't really effective. From personal experience, CV secondaries can kill DDs (duh), but usually I trade in so much hp doing it, that it's just not worth it. It's more something that happened when I get rushed and have to defend myself. Generally, it depends a lot on low tier DDs torping at the lead indicator though. The moment a DD knows what they are doing, you are toast, especially in something like a ranger, which you can citadel even with DD caliber guns if you know where to aim and are close enough for secondaries to open up. Here, have a Zep in appreciation of your CV secondary memes though.

I mean, they could as well put that one economic signal in the bundle with the ship. Overall, it's a bonus, not P2W.

T7 BBs have 25 mm bow, not 27 mm, as 27 mm is only German and American heavy cruisers from T8 up. Thus, Gneisenau and Hood also overmatch the bow of other T7 BBs.

How? It has no hydro.

I put Nelson on it. Doesn't help. Still lackluster. Not helped by atrocious T6 matchmaking getting thrown against T8s, because the last thing you want in your T6 Icarus is getting matched against some T8 Cleveland.

I mean, I guess it works. But typically I rather just drop a curtain of torps in the few torp boats I currently play and just expect enemies to die from torp damage instead of flooding.

National VO. Standard and National VO+ will leave you with waifu sounds.