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That's why Conqueror outspotting Henri is fine doing way more average damage? And don't say "but most of it is fire damage", because guess what Henri's damage for a good part will be. And I also hope you aren't going to tell me Henri is UP, because that's also not the case. I think, your reasoning just has too many holes in it.

Armour. Just like how you can hit a Des Moines 128 times and not get any pens unless you hit the superstructure.

Yeah, let me bump my island in my Cleveland, so I can get a reload buff. Totally not absurd and broken to the point it puts Kuznetsov to shame...

It still is called "pulling a Notser", not "pulling a Jingles".

It's Jingles, not Notser.

Republique does 2k less on average than Audacious, which is about as much above the other CVs as Conkek is above the other BBs, because Audacious basically is flying Conqueror, carpet bombing BBs for fires and torping them for floods. Meanwhile Haku is on a level with Montana and Midway gets beaten by Kurfürst... Honestly, this is like the most stupid argument on CVs that gets thrown around. If a CV survives a battle, what exactly does it get? It's not like it does more average damage, as we saw. It's not going to win you more battles. You get no dreadnought, as you have no repair party and repair costs are fixed anyway. Whether the hull survives more often is absolutely pointless thus. They don't have the most. BBs beat them. Some good cruisers like Henri and Worcester also rack up comparable averages overall. But sure, continue your CV hate train.

Don't let the haters bother you.

Yes? Unsorted, I see little difference. Sorted for 50% CVs range from 106-116k, BBs from 96-120k (ignoring Bourgogne).

It is their camo, but with "standard" camo I'd expect something like "Type x camouflage" the way Harekaze comes with mild weeb camo and a normal premium camo that makes her look like a normal ship.

That logic would make sense if the CVs were overperforming in the non-sorted stat listing due to a more dedicated player base. They are not. Unsorted, T8 CVs for example do about as much average damage as T8 BBs. Sorted for 50%, the CVs are still pretty much in the same league.

I just wish they'd actually test things for longer and see what it does, instead of testing for a couple weeks and then go through with it regardless of what comes out of public test server. With 0.8.0.1 and 0.8.0.2 it was some urgent fixes to address way worse imbalance. While things are pretty harsh now, it should be possible to put in the effort to test.

Yukikaze and Montpelier only come with weeb camo. Not that I'd need any other camo.

Yet it has an improved fighter...

Can we have that on ships too? After all, the surface fleet wasn't some hivemind either.

Bumperino, before it's CB time and I'll be too drunk afterwards. Here, some Russian bias. May it inspire many Russian cruiser players to apply (though we also welcome those without).

Nothing has been confirmed, so don't expect anything. But in one Q&A we got this from S_O. CA2-D is basically a 4x3 305 mm gun design, so Mini-Montana. Assuming the ship keeps in Alaska's tradition, it'd actually be quite promising, given: Alaska is very well-balanced premium that has clear strengths, weaknesses, is comfortable to play at T9 and not redefining any meta. CA2-D would have a clear distinction from any other T10 supercruiser as well as Des Moines, making none of the others obsolete, while potentially contributing something useful. Thus, even without putting too much trust into vague statements by WG employees, one can at least say that CA2-D has a chance of appearing at some point due to being a premium that would require not too much effort on WG's behalf to get right, given you could really just take the Alaska concept and replicate it at T10 with an added gun turret and (maybe) minor buffs (improving 28 mm upper belt to 30 mm, more AA, T10 radar duration) without creating a monstrosity or some Azuma-style debacle of what to do with that turd.

And then you remember that not all of the 5.4 km concealment DDs have lowish dpm. Harekaze when top tier can basically overpower most DDs it ever runs into from lower tiers and has a comfortable lead in concealment. Not that you'd have more of a chance in a T7 vs a Benson or Kidd though. Or god forbid, your T7 Maas, Mahan, Blysca running into a Kitakaze. It's not unplayable, but it definitely makes T8 vs T10 look pretty tame.

Well, in exchange you don't get your bow overmatched by most BBs you can face.

That's why I made the statement about Enterprise. You cannot throw global nerfs at it that would hit this ship specifically hard and not wreck havoc among the rest. Its DBs are unique and the only way to take out oomph is to nerf interaction between DBs and ships. Would cause issues for all ships reliant on DBs. Nerfing the torpedo bombers also is hard, because you'd have to find an aspect it shares with others that is nerfable without making some other more torp-reliant CVs utter trash. Lastly, the rockets are insane and the sole thing you could work with there is nerfing these rockets specifically, which would make the Ranger all kinds of garbage. As you can see, current global nerfs hit a few premium CVs especially hard. Mostly those that did not need nerfs. It did nothing at all to Enterprise really. And no amount of global nerf will stop that. Ships like Graf Zeppelin might even get buffs down the line to make up for drop-off in performance that can be anticipated. Overall, you can safe your pity for the times when Enterprise will continue wrecking ships, but WG will pretend all's fine as regular CVs can't do it as hard.

I gotta love the way this change practically screws over what is left of balance between T8 premium CVs, given Enterprise, currently OP, gets not touched really except for initial delay. The rocket planes lose 20 knots of boosted speed, rest almost nothing. It has no HE bombers, so unaffected there. The rockets still are more than adequate for killing DDs. Saipan gets its HE bombs nerfed. Given they are better anti-DD weapons than Tiny Tims, this is a nerf, as you now get two options of trying to hit DD for massive damage or throw your ammo into the sea for nothing. Also, slower planes. Kaga actually loses a ton, imo, as the rockets are terrible, so HE bombs made it useful against DDs too. This can work out to be a large nerf to Kaga's versatility. GZ got an AP bomb buff, wooo! Sadly, it's not the buff I'd like to see (actually dropping more than two bombs per run) nor is it even remotely going to make up for losing 40 knots of speed on the torp and dive bombers. For a CV that was designed around speed and is already falling behind, this isn't healthy. So, in the end we get nerfs across the board, but one of the worst offenders is still getting off the hook creating a new flying Kamikaze of a ship that just continues overperforming because it avoided a nerf and will continue to stand out, because WG won't touch it specifically, as it's a premium (and nerfing it via global changes will just trash other CVs harder). Am I for a refund? Honestly, if they want to, ok, if not, then not. I'll ask for one though if they go and try nerf premium CVs specifically, because if Giulio, Kamikaze and Belfast are allowed to continue existing in their current state, then so should Enterprise. I'll accept nerfs to my OP CV when you nerf my OP Giulio and the rest of them too and get your act together, WG, but till then, I will invoke my priviledge to cry and request some heads to roll for this because entitled whining is all you seem to listen to.

I find it questionable that I'm actually looking forward to NOT having to play Ranked. T10 (yet again), rental ships and CVs. Hell yeah... Similarly, I'm not sure I understand historian guy (I think his name is Dmitry), as WG has taught me to fear the day my homeland's navy gets a ship in this game. For I'd have to watch in silent anger as WG botched a ship by first making it OP with unhistorical crap, then threw it into T5 where it'll just die. Poor Viribus Unitis, may you never have to see this game and suffer. 45s will not be boring, cause I can plot my course? Thanks for casually insulting our intelligence. Soviet bias commander with most noob-friendly skills in the game. Rewards the enemy being good enough to almost kill you. Absolutely great attition to the game. Thanks for reminding me that Asashio existed and reminding people to try get into the enemy's rear. I can't wait for Asashios dying to CVs in places with no air support and providing crap all around caps. After "Yamata" we now get "Yamamato"... Look, I get you are struggling with Prinz Eugen's name all the time, but could you at least get this stuff right? It's not even hard and both one of the most well-known battleships and one of the most important naval commanders of the Second World War. Some effort please. This video was cringeworty...

"GZ received a straight buff." Hell yeah, my currently often questionable AP bombers become more accurate and the bombs fall faster. Sure makes up for GZ losing about 40 knots of speed on torp and dive bombers. Directly cutting into the dpm and survivability of planes, because speed is basically how you made up for having some of the absolute worst alpha potential armaments put on a carrier plane. Meanwhile Enterprise loses a couple knots on its planes that are utterly inconsequential and cares not about DB changes.

Have you seen GZ or Tiny Tims?

There's a difference though in how "good" someone has to be to shut you down. In a French DD, the enemy CV just needs to be good enough to realise opportunities and know how to dive-bomb rocket effectively. Because they can pick on your ship anytime it leaves the group and if you just stay within AA cover of your German BBs, a cruiser would've been more useful.

tbf, for DDs it always was the most devastating. BBs can take it kinda. It hurts, but you usually survive and aren't severly crippled. Cruisers should fear AP bombs more.