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True. Use AL camo Cleveland as third ship if you want to be more meta too.

Yes. Most often people do. Personally, my recommendations for first BB line is USN. You learn basics, if you mess up you get punished, if you play well, the improved repair party makes you actually decently tanky. And if its your first line, the downsides are less felt.

Only if they mess up, like on Montpelier. Clearly, what was needed was my Yukikaze, right?

Not sure whether to go for Roma due to looking nice, Vanguard, because it might be a good preparation for when my beloved Monarch gets a citadel, or just buy avrora, so Avrora can be put on her namesake ship. Not really any better things I can purchase, I think.

It likely has no end date, else they'd put collection items in the premium crates. as is, if the collection was time-limited, it'd be just the poorest design ever.

So, one thing that really pisses me off about the new CVs... Those BS air group loadouts. Like, I'm somewhat ok with ships that actually use naval aircraft for their intented purpose, even if they never really fielded them (e.g. Kaga's Tenzans and Suiseis), but then there's the GZ with its Ta152s that were designed as high altitude bombers, not as bombers or dive bombers and were never used in that way and even worse (because at least Germany had not much in RL alternatives), crap like Haku's J5N Tenrais. Why the hell does this ship use a J5N, a twin-engine prototype of a land-based heavy fighter/interceptor, which is not just heavy for a CV plane, but also with that weight not designed to carry more than a 250 kg bomb? And this although you could have just as well just used the B7A Ryuusei as the standard bomber (for both roles) and the Reppu as CV fighter, given both obtain similar speeds without being ridiculous, as these were designed for those roles. If I were to get a Hakuryu, I'd really consider just using the goddamn Saiun, because that thing at least actually had a proposed torpedo bomber variant.

Given you can reliably citadel ships from 20 km away with topkek dispersion, I'm not sure about that.

It's fun with Kaga when you torp a smoke and they don't see it coming, because the smoke obscures it and noone is close enough to spot 6.1 km detection bombers.

I know. But just pointing out that in the era of CS CBs, we're not going to be spared Slava just cause it isn't available here.

Till cross-server CB, where you get to face RU lineups with this and no chance to ever get it outside the RU server.

Happens regularly. defAA can do that, as it makes buffs instakill planes quite often.

OR is now available for coal too.

No, flak is an AoE effect, so if 4 planes fly into it, 4 planes get hurt.

Look, WG is thinking about how to make big stronk BB for Motherland. Are you not likings the making of big stronk BB for Motherland? Are you enemy of Motherland? Western Spy?

That's flak burst damage.

What great balance.

Please also make the BB reload 20 minutes then, so my cruisers don't get blapped that often. Tyvm.

CVs are damage-wise on a level with BBs. That's not inherently broken and doesn't need inherent nerfing. and you sure can argue "but CV can spot", but then tell me, who's actually going to use that spotting and provide map presence by wiping out the cruisers around a cap or tanking damage to avoid a flank collapsing. A CV usually won't, you cannot tank damage with your planes and you sure don't want to tank damage with your hull. Your idea is thus short-sighted, because you are arguing that the damage potential is out-of-whack when it isn't and you are suggesting nerfing it, when it doesn't necessarily need nerfing. A nerf to damage output will fix exactly noting on CVs, because all it does is make CV's a worse experience for no reason, while not at all reducing the aspects that make it frustrating to others. Because at the end of the match, I don't care if the CV got as much damage as a BB, that's really the least of one's issues. Because what are you going to do? Nerf the alpha of the armaments? Well, it isn't like Graf Zep or Midway torps are any less annoying to deal with than Shokaku or Hakuryu ones, you just more often decide to keep steaming into them to avoid broadsiding. It's not like getting rocketted by crappy Kaga rockets isn't frustrating even if you don't just instantly lose as much hp as if it was an Enterprise. It's not like getting HE DBed in your DD for 1/4 instead of 1/2 of your hp would make you that much more convinced that "this is fine". Make a delay on launches? Well, then you just give the CV time to be bored, while they keep being a pain during the time they are up. Also Really? I mean, I guess the rise of Henri and decline of YY in the competitive meta sure weren't caused by changes in the balance. Sorry, but this is just a silly statement. Balance is what forms the meta. Inter-class balance and intra-class balance.

As said, my issue is that tier for tier, Lion loses out on dpm over Monarch and pretty much what you get is the superheal, a bit of range, bit of hp, 1.5 knots of speed and a larger caliber. It's the same lackluster crap you got with FdG in the old days, when it was basically a gun upgrade, but way more clumsy than Bismarck and a complete repeat in the secondary department. For being one tier higher, the upgrade in guns is basically just noticeable if you fire a lot of HE, which might make BBs cry, but against cruisers it's decidedly underwhelming, compared to actually landing a solid AP volley.

I didn't even mean it as Bourgogne being solely for randoms, but it sure seems like a ship that is more flexible in randoms.

If nerfing damage is not what is broken it is not what needs addressing as part of the balancing. What is this hard to understand there?

This. Frankly, I bought it because I gathered steel for Yoshino, found out Yoshino is coal and nothing else was interesting enough. If I'd get away with it, I'd sell it, but my clan leader and WG say no, thus I'm stuck playing it for CB. Stalingrad is no weak ship. It certainly brings something to the table. But it neither is a victory condition, nor is it necessarily fun to play. I'm sure there are those out there that enjoy the ship, but there are also those who will, like me, find this ship frustrating and thus unfun. And I'm saying that considering CBs. Playing this in randoms I gave up, because, yes, you can delete the average broadsiding scrub every so often, but unlike CB, you can't trust a team to actually be useful and keep any flanks clear, CVs will spot and AP bomb you and overall the experience can suck immensely. I'd definitely recommend people to first get Alaska and Moskva first, first being a more flexible supercruiser and second being basically the less extreme version of Stalingrad. If you then think you need this, get it. If you feel like you rather have fun in randoms, go buy a Bourgogne, I guess or a Flint or some future steel ship we haven't seen yet.

Holy crap, do I find this ship underwhelming. Like, Monarch made me grind onwards towards Conqueror, but this ship makes me frustrated again. I'm going to continue because Conqueror is being tested for 1.9 sigma buff (so its 419s aren't the same mediocre accuracy of the KGV to Lion) and who knows what fun 457 Conqueror could be, but Lion, I cannot get to like this ship. It's similar to Monarch in so many ways, yet it has so few things that get actually better: Superheal. That's pretty nice. All I'm going to say though and it feels very much like its just making up for the garbage armour. But hey, this is the armour we are used to since KGV. Gunnery feels like absolute sh*t. I'm not going to pretend KGV or Monarch were more accurate than this thing, Lion is consistent with them. But I do notice that drop in shell speed from Monarch. And I very much notice the 30s reload. Whereas KGV and Monarch had a fast 25 s reload allowing to outdpm things, Lion can't. Despite higher shell damage, if it weren't for the 6th module slot, Lion would be an actual drop in dpm. And unlike with KGV to Monarch, the only overmatch improvement is being able to wreck German and USN T8+ cruisers. But I prefer higher shell output against everything else over being able to deal with the occasional Roon that learned to angle without just going for the HE. Turrets have as crap angles as before. Flat turret faces though make them easily destructble though. I tried to actually play this thing in more mid to close range at times, but losing your two front guns permanently, because they are protected by a lulzy unangled 381 mm plate is just terrible. In exchange for all this, my fire chance got increased. Hell yeah. Sure a straight upgrade, but frankly, Monarch felt like it rewarded some ammunition switching, given HE without insane fire chance (not like the 35% combined with 25 second reload was bad) made it less idiot proof, but with Lion, it's once again back to where the HE shell is just retardedly powerful. Overall, Monarch for its tier is a better ship than Lion, imo. It's a step up from Monarch, but this feels pretty much like what FdG was to Bismarck before it got buffed.

You missed the point. A Conqueror still has more ability to scout than a Henri IV, deals more damage, yet we aren't calling the Henri underpowered. The thing is, you basically take what you see, formulate some weird ideas and throw them out there, as we already saw in your threads with suggestions on how to "fix" things. That's not really helping. It's not even helping your own case, because what you try to achieve won't be achieved this way. Because you have no idea of why the meta became what it is, nor why nerfing the damage potential wouldn't solve a thing. While WG could listen to some feedback, I have to admit that a majority of feedback you usually get is garbage. Like, we still get the weekly thread about why radar goes through islands and people complained about that all the time, despite radar being far from broken and the radar rework being arguably just catering to potatoes. Any change as radical as the CV rework was going to create a lot of outrage, because at the end of the day, even if CVs were completely fine, people who get sunk will cry for nerfs, just like in the days of RTS CVs, people would whine about cVs when the smart handling of the defAA consumable resolved 90% of all issues.

Alright WG, can you please take your "Earn at least x "Set on Fire" ribbons." away from BBs? Like, seriously. Reward good gameplay. Don't give me such a dumb mission in a battleship. Even on a British BB, I don't appreciate this crap. And it encourages people to just throw games.