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I mean, planes are annoying, but by far not the end of the world. If they were, no T7 BB would be worthwhile. Good CVs won't give a damn even if you are in a Hood, which likely is the best AA BB you currently can find at T7 (due to defAA), while bad CVs managed to lose entire squads to my Nagato's two flak bursts, because why dodge? So, apart from the CV menace, the rest of the ship is absolutely solid. Nagato is one of the most accurate BBs at T7, only rivalled by Colorado (better accuracy at short and medium range, worse at long range) and Hood (worse sigma, better base dispersion). If the shells feel less accurate than Fuso, yeah well, that is certainly not a ship issue. Similarly, Nagato is faster than Fuso and while there are faster BBs at T7, it is fast enough to keep up, without running into the issues of the Colorado. The lulziest claim though got to be... With 20.46 km range fully upgraded and access to a goddamn spotter plane, I cannot imagine how the Nagato requires even more range to be effective. Turret traverse mod is useless, either take dispersion or AA. Personally, I use dispersion, because whoever dies to 4 explosions is dumb enough to die to 2. Nagato overall is a very very good T7 BB. It was my first T7 BB and I just recently rebought it after playing almost all the other T7 BBs. after playing Colorado and liking that one for its incredibly good guns, I finally rebought Nagato a couple weeks ago as it should be similar gunnery on a faster hull and boy, Nagato is still a good ship and absolutely worth it. Even bought the permacamo and personally, if T7 ranked was a thing, I'd still consider the Nagato one of the, if not the best free pick for BB (Hood for overall).

I guess this'll be the way they make GZ competitive again.

Bought her with the 30% coupon a few days ago, fully expecting what I got (so, I'm not going to ask for pity). Imo, ship isn't utterly terrible, but... it's strengths rely more on the ability to tank than on being able to reliably dish out. Noone rewards you for 2-3 million potential damage. If you manage to pad yourself on the shoulder for a job well done and are happy with it, sure, this can be forgiven. The offensive side is a weirdo mixture of having so much pen, yet so little range. Roma will pen whatever it hits and doesn't bounce. Shatters don't happen. In reality though, most of the shell hits will be overpens and a few every now and then will be citadels, with the weirdest shots. The lack of consistency though means you cannot rely on it and basically you can be positively surprised when it happens. At range, you might at times be surprised by how brutal the guns can be if they hit, but given Roma has such short maximum range and terrible dispersion at range, that won't matter often. The AA is a joke. Ignore that this ship has any. In CV meta, you basically really just have to hug the nearest AA ship or get really creative. I'd also not recommend the fighter, because its only 3 planes that don't prevent the CV from killing you and the spotter is more useful to cope with the underwhelming range. Overall, I would call the ship at best decent if there wasn't a CV in every game, but as it is, this is likely the most out of meta T8 BB there is and buying it is basically asking to be frustrated. Personally, I do get my laughs out of this ship the same way I get them out of Yukikaze (similar ship that utterly fails to conform to the meta of the game), but not worth a recommendation. There's way better ships to be had for less money.

This was absolutely not the point of the post, but ok...

I don't see how Kurfürst for its tier is any more viable as a brawler than FdG and Gneisenau at their tiers. ffs, I today played Iron Duke with secondary build and it actually worked, because 152 mm guns pen 19 mm T5 plating. As for Pyotr Veliky being OP... can't say it is too OP. Even if it is strong, it just has too many limitations for me to consider it OP. The armour is great, the speed is good, the guns are nice, but I'd not even consider bringing it into something like T5 Ranked Sprint if such ever happens again, because it seems just too easily outplayed. Pyotr's main strength vs other BBs is that it can tank AP on its bow well and has some accurate guns. It certainly does not tank BB HE well though and goodness, unangled it just dies. For all its worth, Iron Duke is a better ship.

In randoms, half the people wouldn't shoot you anyway, so I guess you can call that range buff a "buff". Still I do not understand how people can whine dying to that, given it's 90% of the time their own fault for not paying attention and putting themselves into a place where they get killed. Meanwhile, for any coordinated tactics, like divisions, or the odd coordination in randoms, yes, the 6s delay does matter.

It was a buff for a few distinct ships, for some it was a nerf. The most significant buff being radar Edinburgh, radar Nep becoming a bit less crap and radar Mino actually is not even much of a buff giving the CE nerf. Ships like USN CL got exactly nothing to really make up for the CE or delay changes, meaning Cleveland is barely able to catch DDs that spot her, Seattle and Worcester can't. Chapayev got nerfed hard, given its short radar is hardly going to get anyone killed. USN CAs got their radar buffed, with Baltimore getting stealth radar, but only Des Moines has dpm to kill DDs in short time. Overall, given that the most positively affected lines are mostly low dpm ships and a line that most often runs smoke, not radar, for the most part, the 6s delay matters more than like 300 metres more range on Russian radar.

Your Neptune reduced me to 3k hp and one torp launcher right at the start. Basically all I could do for the rest of the match is bully ships around that cap with super fast reload and my smokes. But hey, who needs hp if you can have 2s reload on those 10 cm guns.

Monarch buffs!

Am at Lion. Ship already feels kinda dumb. Also, more than no armour vs Yamato, the fun part is having no armour vs HE. In the end, you died because I just blindspammed you from my smoke.

Sorry, but I find it hard to take a complaint about radar serious after the delay introduction.

Indeed, we did. Hope you had a fun game in Conkek. I sure as hell found it interesting. Didn't expect to survive.

Die broadside or angled? Plenty of options. The moment you get spotted, you get focused by 5 BBs and half the cruisers and there's nowhere to hide. The options!

No. Islands are what keeps the Worcester that puts you on fire enough. Open water means at any time you can just blap some cruiser that picks a fight out of existence. and sure, that Henri that keeps spamming you might be annoying as hell, but either it is close enough that you can wreck it or far enough that you go invisible. Spread out, create cross fires. You don't need to be bunched up and it creates no survivability bonus for those that do bunch up, unless there's a CV involved. 12 km radar on a 14+ km detection...

Ah yeah, Massachusetts... not like it has actual armour. Yes, it likes cover to play around, but it's hard to argue that BBs cannot inherently get by without hard cover to keep them alive.

Stealth torping DDs are open water capable. Conkek is open water capable, just like all BBs. Zao is open water capable. It's basically stuff like Des Moines, Worcester, (radar) Mino that runs into trouble fast. And it isn't about stealth. It's about being able to tank or avoid hits reliably. Something like Moskva has piss poor stealth, but very likely will get more accomplished than a Mino that has great stealth. And it doesn't matter if you form a group. Nothing forces the enemy to shoot the BB in the group instead of aiming for the squishy cruiser. If you feel comfortable on this map in radar Nep, then I'm really questioning that.

The map is one of the oldest and most terrible designs in the game. It was terrible back in 2015 and it is still terrible now. It is rare, but WG seems to enjoy keeping this as some kind of Russian Roulette, I guess.

You either are open water capable or you die. Easy as that.

But we already got an Enterprise captain.

I know. Instead of damecon. For whatever reasons. Guess automated repair was too hard to code properly though.

Nah, they could've given them a repair party.

That's called faildivisioning. 0.72, 0.86 and 0.94 average planes downed per match is a joke of a difference and this includes data from pre-rework, from a time before good CVs ignored most AA, while bad CVs died to crap AA, because they get twoshot by flak bursts. Currently, there is little meaningful difference between the three. Normandie is this low because it basically has no AA worth a damn. Kii and Tirpitz are recommendations because they combine decent gun handling with torpedoes and Tirpitz also has secondaries. For ops, that's a solid package. Tirpitz dispersion might look bad, but it's mostly at range, while close up you aren't much worse off with Germans compared to Brits. And ops aren't fought at 20 km, but usually much closer. French and Italians share horizontal dispersion with Germans, Roma exceeds Tirpitz though in vertical dispersion and Tirpitz has nowhere near the massive tendency to just overpen. Anyway, this is derailing the thread, so feel free to PM if you want to continue.

Shhh, don't bother people with logic. If they were interested into such things, they might have figured it out by themselves that double CV matches happen because the queue is filled, not because WG just likes to see them suffer.

T4 CV shouldn't see T6 BB. T6 BBs are universally poor in AA. WV is not special. For T8 ops, Tirpitz and Kii are both better, if such ops existed (so far only Hermes ever allowed a T8 BB and it was limited to French ones). Roma is basically a ship that cannot be rated as "good" by me, because the guns are just memeworthy in their ability to overpen everything before giving citadels at unusual times, because of their high penetration, combined with low range and poor dispersion. Roma has many issues keeping her back from being anywhere close to contesting ships like NC if played well and I persnally would consider Monarch a more reliable performer than Roma. What Roma does do well is survive, if angled properly, due to the decent armour and low concealment (barely less stealthy than Monarch, while much better armoured). at least till a CV shows up, because Roma's AA is just terrible (like all the Italian ships) and you need to be extra careful in CV matches. Still would use spotter plane to extend the range over fighter, because fighter is not going to safe your ship either.

Not really. West Virginia is great if you can handle positioning and know how to aim, as the guns are great. PEF is basically reliant on mistakes by your enemy. Admittedly, you can do okish in randoms, but WV is a far more reliable performer, especially when uptiered. Meanwhile, my 30% coupon a few days ago went into a T8 BB. Thought first going for Vanguard, but test Monarch might just be a better ship and I want to see how that pans out. So I bought that other one ship with silly armour, 30s turret traverse, derpy guns... the Roma (one does notice that the Soviets were influenced by Italian designs for their high tiers). While it sometimes was like this... it can be a fun ship with shots like this on HE spammers that thought they could pick a fight. Went on to win and got complimented twice for this. Overall, decent ship. Sadly my WR is still in the dumps. Later, after some games in Yukikaze that ended like this: Decided to play Harekaze after some good time of not having played it. Still a good ship.