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piece of garbage. T4 grade hp (you'll see that trait throughout the line, but others at least get something for it) crap for armour, nowhere near enough to make up for lack of hp, can be HE penned reliably (same as above) 21 knots of speed! (Only NY and Texas are as slow, but tankier and with better guns) has the second smallest guns at T5 with 30s reload. Only Kongo and Pyotr Veliky have worse dpm and both are massively better ships in every way. Accuracy on the Bretagne's guns is markedly worse than NY and Texas too. AA got hyped up pre-rework and wasn't that great back then. It certainly isn't now. secondaries are numerous, but reload so slow as to be garbage. This ship does exactly nothing that you cannot get done in New York, except New York has a massive amount more hp and meaner guns. Iron Duke and König just laugh at Bretagne, Kongo and Pyotr Veliky are in a different league and we don't even have to go into detail on how Giulio decimates Bretagne. I didn't like NM much but I take it over this dumpster fire any day. Colorado was great, but Colorado actually gets good guns for its tier and an improved repair party. The USN line basically is how to play at 21 knots and get something to compensate for it. Bretagne gets nothing, it's just the worst T5 BB by some margin.

Playing DD, I find that more painful than enemy CVs are often your own. And obviously the only T8 out-of-meta DD in a heavy T9/10 game with top tier CVs tops the scoreboard, because why wouldn't it? Names blanked out, because yes, they double-divved and still ended up there.

Then don't queue up for battle. It's not even like CV presence is a rare phenomenon, so you should have expected as much.

Also worse concealment.

Met @Strefs in their Kaga. As to "Yukikaze, why don't you cap", well, sure, I could've went and tried to get into B in the last few minutes, but in the process I'd be discovered by the Lexington that was happily bombing the ships inbetween, and I wasn't keen on gifting that Lexington a Kraken with my slow no-AA IJN DD. My final positioning was mostly a last ditch effort after spotting a fighter aircraft and seeing the direction the aircraft were coming to maybe surprise the Lexington around an island, but nope. Could the match have been played better? Sure. Am I the one who carries most of the blame? I doubt it.

People say German high tier CAs have turtleback, but that does not mean it's even hard to citadel them if they get shot in the side.

The only thing GZ currently needs imo, is a change from 4x2 AP bomb drops to 3x3 and I'd call it alright. The greatest issue I'm having with GZ is that if you aren't terrible at lining up torp drops, most of the time you do as much if not more damage with torps as you do with AP bombers, even on stuff the AP bombers are supposed to be specialised against, given three torp hits on a cruiser are 12 k, while two cits are 14k and getting 2 cits is harder than landing at least two torps. I'd never consider torp buffs at the moment though, because it'd make torpedoes truely the universal armament. Given the upcoming speed nerfs which are global but hit this ship more than any other ship, I'd say once those hit we can talk about alpha buffs too to compensate.

That is not how dispersion works. It goes per shell, not per volley, which is why you get at times those jackpot shots where everything hits and sometimes nothing hits in ships. By server stats, Monarch is the second-best performing BB of all tech tree BBs atm. Yet people question its ability to perform all the time. NC meanwhile is at the very bottom. It's hard to make sense of those values.

Monarch fires almost as many shells per minute with only its forward turrets than Richelieu does with all its guns, BUT has the option to add a rear turret to just utterly out-dpm the Richelieu. Obviously if you ever are reduced to HE, because good knows, you need to kill a DD or another bow-camper, Monarch obviously outperforms Richelieu with only its front guns. Additional fun fact: Ships that can go dark take far less damage from anything than permaspotted ones.

Ici, c'est la communauté anglophone. Parlez anglais svp. And excuse if my French is crap. Haven't used it in ages.

At 307 battles, I would say nothing you'd buy makes that amount of money. People who make millions in few games typically at least achieve a somewhat decent performance. I'd rather say, grind to T8, see what you can play well there, look at what premium equivalent there is you can perform well with to earn credits. If you are however just interested in credits, not any specific ship - premium account. It makes a bigger difference than any premium you could buy.

No prob, though I can't help with feelings.

This is not how dispersion works. Richelieu and Bismarck follow the same dispersion, which is calculated as D=Rx9.8+66. Thus, Richelieu ends up with 25.27x9.8+66=313.646 or rounded as 314 m. Bismarck is 21.21x9.8+66=273.858 or rounded as 274 m. Obviously at 15 km both get 15x9.8+66=213, so 213 m dispersion. Monarch meanwhile follows the British/USN dispersion which is calculated as D=Rx10+60. Thus Monarch gets 18.15x10+60=241.5 or rounded 242 m. At 15 km, this works out to 15x10+60, so 210 m of dispersion. So, no, at 15 km Monarch is actually the most accurate among them all. Source

Gotta give them DDs somewhere to play after CVs kicked them out of randoms.

Only if they are Italian and even then it becomes a toss-up. German 380s are a good bit worse.

While I won't question your personal opinion that Richelieu fits your style, I'd like to point out that hit ratio is not a very straightforward stat. For example, my highest hit ratio in any T7 BB is in Gneisenau. Now, I'm never going to claim that Gneisenau is the most accurate BB at T7. However, Gneisenau has the worst dpm values of any T7 BB, thus when playing it, I have to take extra care to make sure to land my shells. Richelieu also has basically the lowest AP dpm and second-lowest HE dpm of T8 BBs. So, it's a given that you need to land more shells to get anywhere. Similarly, looking at my personal T8 BB stats, highest hit ratio is Roma and noone ever claimed (for good reason) that Roma is in any way accurate.

Operation Cherry Blossom had a night mode and illumination flares. Who knows. Hermes brought us localised weather.

People hate two things: Paper designs taking precedence over actual designs that got realised. Be that in the form of stuff like RU BBs (a line with 1 ship that actually was commissioned) taking precedence over Italian anything or WG choosing designs like fantasy refit Normandie over actually built ships like Strassbourg (not made better by the insane speed Normandie gets that is totally unrealistic). Paper designs being too powerful for no reason. Slava for example is a ship that noone ever heard of, that has totally outlandish accuracy not founded in any real basis and potentially trashes high tier meta. Hardly anyone cares about stuff like Montana, Zao or Z-52 existing, especially with stuff like Montana having well-documented blueprints and being quite unambigious in its innovations over successful predecessors (whereas Slava basically is based on god knows what vodka-fueled excesses, because no real Russian BB gun ever achieved a performance that justifies this).

lolwut

If the poll atm is any indicator, one person actually is unhappy with the status quo of blueprint ships existing and I would not say that qualifies for "favourite all time discussion".

There is exactly nothing though that indicates Richelieu having better accuracy than Bismarck or Monarch. Same sigma across the board, same horizontal dispersion as Bismarck, worse than Monarch, certainly not better vertical dispersion, given that value depends on shell velocity, where Richelieu about matches Monarch's shell velocity, outperforms Bismarck and is only surpassed by a significant margin by Roma (which with the highest shell velocity produces the most inconsistent shot patterns). As said, I haven't played Richelieu, so I'm not going to make grand statements, but on paper, it basically looks quite mediocre and speed boost is imo harder to put to use than armour or concealment, given even with speed boost outrunning enemies is hard and even on French cruisers, speed boost loses some of its survivability value if people learn how to lead properly their shoots. French BBs are nowhere as nimble as the cruisers, so for dodging I question its reliability and I can see its value more for quick repositioning. Even if you improve, vs a Bismarck, Monarch or Roma, if your ship just does not have the penetration or cannot outspot them, their defense strengths remain. Not that I find it terribly hard to hit things with the other three BBs. Played them, they are not NC levels of consistent, but I'd certainly deem the bad reputation they get to be vastly overblown in terms of gun characteristics. Only Roma comes close to deserving it with her tendency to overpenetrate, so I would guess Richelieu isn't lacking in potency. Fast shells, while making not for accurate shells (other extreme are T8 USN BBs) do cut down reaction time of targets at least, so it's not all as bad just because shot patterns are less consistent. However personally, if I had to pick one of the four BBs to play, I'd likely go with Bismarck if CVs are a non-issue and Monarch if they are (in terms of AA, competent CVs will hardly give a damn regardless of which of the ships you use, except Roma is free to be molested even by terrible CV players. Thus I rate Monarch's immunity to AP cits higher than the bit of extra AA Richelieu might enjoy). I do think that in the end it must be highlighted that Richelieu by a fair margin is the worst AP dpm on a BB in T8 (incidentily also with the most impactful loss of firepower if a turret gets knocked out) while the much maligned Monarch has the best, by a fair margin over the other 3 (and beating Amagi). Even just using its two front turrets, Monarch isn't far behind Richelieu using all its guns (in case people want to point out the rear turret angle, though often enough you get to use three turrets) in terms of AP and obviously outperforms Richelieu in HE.

Space Torp beat mode all year round?

CVs with sub-10 km detection exist, you know (e.g. full concealment Kaga is 9.9). And if @El2aZeR is to be trusted, as the resident CV unicum in any debate these days, 10 km falls into the range where good CVs out-dpm most other classes. Not sure if this'd always be a great starting location thus.

I'm not claiming FdG is better in every way, certainly not at that. It's only in a brawl, FdG any day over pretty much any T9 BB. within 11.5 km, when secondaries open up, the FdG will win basically most 1v1s. It's only that typically, this is the poorest kind of specialisation to have and FdG to me is basically just a meme. The main approach in ranked with it would be to basically rush in, abuse islands, get in their face before they know how to react, draw fire, hydro torps (and DDs). Musashi cannot delete your stupidly armoured ship before you get to its side and throw 40.6 cm shells into its cit. Jean Bart might try burn your BB or shoot AP (which isn't going to kill you if you are angled), but any JB knowing what's up will engage the FdG at range, where they have the advantage, not in a brawl where FdG's secondaries melt your BB that has one of the worst hp pools at T9, if not the worst (effectively, should be worst, given Lion gets superheal). As for Richelieu, I have yet to understand the point of the ship. Like, why? I cannot see how speed boost can be so great as to make it worth playing over Bismarck with actual armour or Monarch with concealment and better dpm. Maybe one day I'll understand, but so far, it certainly hasn't convinced me to give French BBs more of a try.