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  1. HaachamaShipping

    How will you respond to the CC situation and WGs responce

    Well, not much I can do, given I already barely play the game and am no longer spending money. So, no action required, I guess...
  2. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    Exactly nothing in Yoshino's armour plating would allow a big caliber BB to cit where a Bismarck wouldn't. 25 mm bow and stern get overmatched by either, 178 mm citadel belt bounces both, citadel deck and slopes also bounce every BB in the game if angled. Literally all you got is hitting the forward or aftward bulkhead after overmatching bow or stern. Otherwise, your Thunderers, Repus, Yamatos and whatnot basically just do normal pens on a Yoshino, which is survivable with supercruiser hp. Puerto Rico has highest alpha of all supercruisers, by virtue of having 12 guns.
  3. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    It's what kills you over time. And with over 60k hp and 5 repair parties, Yoshino is one of the better equipped among cruisers, most of which share the same issues.
  4. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    Exactly none of what you said is in conflict with what I said. So I don't get what the hell you want to point out here? Oh, it takes damage in its 25 and 30 mm bits? Well, that doesn't mean it doesn't have a layer of torp protection over the belt and a pretty solid belt for a cruiser.
  5. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    If you shoot an angled Yoshino, most of the time you won't hit the front or rear plate. The citadel deck meanwhile is fine against pretty much anything, because things just bounce off on the angle. So what? Consistency is the point. By the same margin I could argue that Yoshino could survive an AP salvo just as well as a Stalingrad, because the shells might just go all over the Stalingrads icebreaker bow and citadel it from the front or they might just all hit the Yoshino's spaced armour and do no damage. At that point there'd be no more reason to continue the argument though, because it'd be absolutely pointless.
  6. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    The issue is, Yoshino is accurate for a supercruiser at all ranges, Petropavlovsk is inaccurate for a cruiser at long range. That cheek is widely overexagerated. It hardly ever matters, because it hardly ever gets hit. Here, comparison between the absolutely negligible Yoshino cheeks vs the actually substantial cheeks of a Yamato hull. Indeed, Siegfried could do the same. But Ägir isn't Siegfried nor is Alaska and Siegfried is a different beast from Yoshino, using most of all its extremely accurate 38 cm guns with AP, while Yoshino usually sticks to HE.
  7. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    Petropavlovsk is to normal cruisers what Soviet BBs are to normal BBs. At long range way derpier, at short range more accurate. Yoshino had that dispersion already before the whole Soviet crap and it was then also used for Riga and Petropavlovsk. Thus, Yoshino, like Petropavlovsk is more accurate than other supercruisers dispersion-wise at any realistic range (it gets worse somewhere in excess of 30 km that you may reach if you used spotter and range mod, but no other supercruiser goes that far), but less accurate than normal cruisers at any range in excess of 7 km. Below 7 km, both are more accurate than even cruisers. At 0 km, they'd match a DD. Thus at long range, Yoshino is only better than Petro because it has HE that actually has useful qualities, not the 220 mm garbage that shatters on any reinforced plating, has no dpm and has crap fire chance for its reload. If they hit the narrow front citadel bulkhead, otherwise they bounce off the citadel side. And it's 25 mm, not 27 mm. Overall, any supercruiser should avoid giving easy shots at the bow, as you risk eating massive damage, even in Stalingrad, Yoshino, Azuma and Kronshtadt might get citadeled to kingdom come though. Anyone could potentially do it. The question is, what are the odds. And with Yoshino, they are higher than with an Alaska or Ägir. Siegfried is more accurate, non-supercruisers are more accurate, so yes, you could do it with a Moskva, but again, as with Stalingrad, questionable whether it'd pull off such positioning at that point in time, as it basically dies in a turn and is spotted from the moon.
  8. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    Exact same dispersion formula and sigma. Apart from being able to help with that with 21 km range + spotter plane, the number of BBs towards the end is lower, so you can work with islands more to limit their ability to shoot you in the side. It has a weak point, but same could be said about Ägir and Kronshtadt. Oppenent knows where to aim, your tankiness is gone. Opponent shoots your angled belt, you can just go on. And opponents that do not have the overmatch (e.g. cruisers) are way less of a threat. so, it is no close range cruiser, but it's not some Minotaur that cannot tank anything. That's the question, would all shells land like that? Maybe, maybe not. Yoshino and Stalingrad are the only ones with such superb accuracy at such ranges among supercruisers. For others, it'd be less likely.
  9. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    I have both ships, I returned a few days ago after like 6 months break, because I wanted to play Ägir. The evening ended with me doing mediocre in Ägir and getting one great game in Yoshino. For the most part, the appeal with Yoshino to me is, it isn't the tankiest supercruiser, but it is a supercruiser and it is the supercruiser with the biggest range and highst HE dpm. You can play Yoshino like your typical cruiser, but it will tank a good bit more than a Zao does. It has the necessary HE pen to go through all the 50 mm plating, so you don't get frustrated as much as cruisers that can't. If you do eliminate all the annoying BBs or are able to use terrain to limit fields of fire, you can also pull quite the stunts, given 310 mm guns with Petro accuracy are 310 mm guns with Petro accuracy. Would Ägir or Alaska pull that off? Maybe. They are less accurate and certainly worse in terms of HE. Would Stalingrad pull that off? Potentially, IF I could have gotten there with Stalingrad turning qualities. Which is why I don't just consider Stalingrad a better alternative, because 14 km detection and the turning circle of a CV is not as flexible and if enemies catch the side of a Stalingrad, you die faster than in a Yoshino. Lack of radar doesn't bother me, I don't consider it a priority to play DD hunter and if I just want a cruiser dead in smoke, spotter plane exists. Overall, Yoshino to me is just a rather flexible chill ship that I can play comfortably without tryharding and dieing at the frontlines, but with more consistency and tankiness than some Zao, more speed and bigger guns than Hindenburg and Goliath. And better accuracy and HE performance than Alaska or Ägir. Not saying Ägir is bad, still trying to get results in it, but it does feel eh. Also, because in terms of offensive power, Yoshino beats Ägir in basically every aspect, because Yoshino can do the same AP shens as Ägir, just more accurate and with HE that is more useful when AP doesn't work.
  10. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    You don't have to love it, nor do others have to, but your response to the other person was basically just calling them unserious for liking Yoshino.
  11. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    The main belt is 178 mm, the 25 and 30 mm is torpedo protection. If you hit the 25 and 30 mm section that is marked as torpedo protection in the armour model, you still need to go through the 178 mm to actually damage deal any real damage, but as the main belt is 178 mm, it cannot be overmatched so at an angle, you can get a good few internal bounces. Also, some ships outright lack the ability to pen 178 mm of plating. This also means HE and SAP that lands there does f*** all, because it is a no hp zone. If you hit above that, where it casemate armour, you actually do deal damage, but you hit above the citadel, so you never get citadel hits that way. First off, some people like this kind of play and find it fun. Second, once you killed big BB, Yoshino also can do some medium range shens and people shouldn't discount it. It has 310 mm guns with better pen (but not ricochet angles) than Alaska and the same accuracy as Petropavlovsk, not like other supercruisers, so HE and AP salvos at mid range can both hurt. USN CA/CL, Italians up to Brindisi and RN CL have a citadel that goes right up to the outer hull. Thunderer can HE citadel Minos. Dutch meanwhile do have a layer of torpedo protection above the cit.
  12. Can't fill out the poll. Met some, but cannot tell whether they are weak or just incompetent players.
  13. HaachamaShipping

    YOSHINO'S ARMOR

    Having a lot of overmatchable plating isn't exactly new for supercruisers. Kronshtadt already had tons of 25 mm plating everywhere except main belt when it came out and only got the midsection upgraded to 27 mm with IFHE/plating rework, the Germans still retain 30 mm deck. Azuma and Yoshino as the supercruisers that are supposed to be most fragile not being tanky to the extreme but just being tankier than your standard T9/T10 cruiser is fine. If there is an issue, it'd be with large caliber BB guns that don't care about 30 mm armour anymore, but hey, we soon be getting HMS Incomparable... But as long as this is a general cruiser issue, not a Yoshino-specific issue, the Yoshino is still a more survivable than average cruiser if you don't try to do your best Petro impression in it. Yes, it will get regularly overmatched, but when your hp pool is this large and you get 5 heals, some regular pens are typically manageable.
  14. HaachamaShipping

    New German battlecruiser tech tree line coming next.

    2. I'm looking at it from a point of view of how useful are they based on what we can tell. 105s are not unusable, but 26 mm pen means they got limitations on usefulness compared to something like 128 mm. They won't be useless as the 90 mm Italian guns for sure, but they'd need some insane accuracy, range or RoF to make up for that to be top tier secondaries, not just passable. And passable might just not be worth investing in, not on a ship that has supposedly low detectability and short range, meaning using the conceal is recommended. 3. Given even the 6 km torp damage is meh, it is pretty safe to say that torp broadside hurts a ton. If it's Elbing torps, that'd be pretty silly.
  15. HaachamaShipping

    New German battlecruiser tech tree line coming next.

    If that turns out to be the case, I wonder how people will deal with Zieten being a better competitive choice over mighty Bismarck. Or they give them secondary accuracy of Loewenhardt and it'll be trash. On the caliber alone though, 105s at T10 is not very good. I'd likely just ignore them, if they aren't GZ (in which case, range is all you need). As I said, as many as Hindenburg. You could have Tachibana guns as secondaries, it wouldn't matter, these open launchers with seemingly decent angles, likely can decimate most ships if the torp damage isn't utterly nerfed into the ground.
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