Chaos_Umbra

I have had weirder situations like getting a Bow on citadel on a Tirpitz at 11km in a Roon, so like others said it could be with the server processing miss registering the hit.

I for 1 won't be playing the Tier 8 abomination that's for sure. Well at least there are some more Italian ships on the horizon which have been fun so far, too bad they messed up my home nation's ships.

Still don't get why WG dropped it a tier, just so it can have worse armour?

With that sort of potential I am even more confused about WG dropping the KGV from tier 8 to 7?

Only have the one for the Bismarck as I kept it and have it on the Zao so that if I don't get a Kraken I won't make a loss with it. Plan to get the camos for any tier 10s I get.

Still a very elegant looking BB regardless of MM.

Looks so nice after how WG butchered the RN BBs... well the tier 7 & 8 anyway.

Yep really fun ship probably one of my favourites but does require that you pick your engagements, basically if bottom tier you have to play passive at max range otherwise you will be deleted with all the T8 BBs around, but with favourable match making and map selection you should really be in there with the DDs preferably under the 10km range where your AP is deadly for any broadside cruisers and HE with the rail-gun trajectories makes it a good DD hunter.

Had 4.26 Million Potential Damage in the Zao once.

It's not worth arguing with this guy as he ignores when you give in game evidence that even 203mm guns can get citadels on T8+ BBs, and also ignores the overmatch the KGV receives by having only 25mm of bow armor instead of the proper 32mm, I would trade guns for Bow armor any day (on a BB, cruisers have mobility going for them), with his argument the Bismarck should be tier 7 to as it's guns aren't 16" like other tier 8's and struggle against Yamatos.

You just keep repeating the exact same line about penetration being everything for a BB to be competitive when it isn't and clearly WG are trying to get BB players to have to switch ammo types with the improved HE like Flamu demonstrated in his initial review of the Conqueror that the HE on the like is perfectly capable of dealing with angled ships, heck I even gave examples in game of lower caliber shells being perfectly able of citadeling BBs at high tiers. Well I have other thinks to do so that's me.

I give up it's like talking to a wall I think I'll stop at tier 6 anyway as it is appalling what WG have done to the line at tiers 7 & 8!

Well that's good to know because the New Mexico can citadel Bismarcks at long range. Also the KGV at tier 7 looses the Concealment upgrade so the use of it's "good" stealth is also nerfed, the idea of the High tiers seems to be use stealth to get in close and punish broadside BBs and Cruisers... exactly what German cruisers currently do but with a lot more armor and health but no torps. So even if the AP at close rage is slightly worse than the New Mexico it will still be more than enough as 8" guns close enough can get citadels, it has a shorter reload and better stealth to get in close than a New Mexico and armor and speed, so it can get in close cause a lot of damage then disengage and heal up. If it has tier 6.5 guns and tier 9.5 armor what does that make on average... tier 8!

The reason it looks like a Brit ship is that it is exactly the same model except the masts and the guns, you switch between the tier 7 and 8 in the tech tree and they are Identical, it was clearly clobbered together at the last minute as they decided the Nelson was too different... why was that a problem every line has at least 1 ship like that! So anything under 14" cannot get citadels on tier 8 BBs... I tell you the Roon can citadel a Tirpitz at 10km and that has 8" guns and I have no problems in the Scharnhorst with 11" guns going up against Iowas which mutes your point further. If the second most armored BB gets a large chunk of its armor taken off so that it is worse than an North Carolina then that is a completely different ship, it is just a KGV skin on a Nagato hull with 14" guns.

Well you would just do as the Scharnhorst does with 11inchers switch to HE (there is another ammo type!), I mean the line is meant to have decent HE as a trait so when the enemy isn't completely broadside you can still dish out the damage (or shoot the superstructure). The KGV will still face tier 9's being Tier 7, the main difference being that it looses 7mm of bow and stern armor for not being tier 8 which means instead of only the Yamato over matching your bow you will have to worry about every tier 9 and 8 BB, all tier 7 except other KGV's and Scharnhorsts, and also worry about tier 6 Mutsu's, Warspites, QE's and Bayerns that can all bow citadel you. I would much rather have to worry about only the Yamato TBH. Also the Monarch is a monstrosity, the love child of an orgy involving the KGV, Hood, NC and Belfast. It has a plane catapult that would have been removed if it was built after the KGV class and 1950's masts which should only be on the tier 10.

I know I looked at the ships now that they are in the tech tree and if you flick between them it is exactly the same model, so it was clearly a last minute change due to some idiot complaining about it, the guns will still have to go up against almost the same ships, except you can now bully some tier 5's. In my opinion there isn't too much of a change from tier 9 to 10 in how effective 14" guns will be. The only change is that instead of being bow penetrated by only the Yamato it can now be bow penetrated by everything with a gun caliber the same or larger than the Bismarcks 381mm guns. So rather than 1 ship to worry about I will now have to worry about even Warspites, Mutsus and Bayerns bow citadeling me. I think I won't play the line past tier 6 as it stands cause I will only feel disappointed and want to skip tiers 7 and 8.

Was checking out the line in the tech tree and flicked between the T7 and 8 and saw almost no difference except the guns and the stupid lattice masts... KGV at T7 was so not just to piss off 80% of the player base... right? Also the reason behind it was gun progression? Looks at the new Pan Asian line: T6 130mm -> T7 120mm... yep really sticking to their reasoning there. And wasn't the thing for the line being HE so low penetration is not an issue, especially as it is possible to Citadel a Tirpitz with 203mm Roon AP bow on at 10km. All the KGV gets out of it is Guns that still have less penetration than everything around it except Scharnhorst... like that has trouble... and Oh wait it gets 25mm of bow armor instead of 32mm so every gun 381mm and above can bow pen it instead of just the Yamato... Yep really good ship there... maybe I should just stop at teir 6 that doesn't even have a stock hull, because I know I will just find the KGV a MASSIVE disappointment.

But having the target is half the fun, as it is I would just sell them so I can afford upgrades on my tier 8+ ships... Luckily I am away for week 3 so at least I won't accidentally complete the last mission.

Am I the only one that doesn't want to unlock the Ships? I mean I want the flags, but I want to actually play through the line, so if I just get given the tier 5 what incentive is there for me to bother with the Tier 3 and 4, I might as well just sell them for the credits so I can upgrade my high tier ships.

I don't really like the reward for doing the RN BB missions, I want the flags, but I don't want to skip a third of the line I actually want to play through it and if there is no incentive like unlocking the next ship why would I play the tiers 3 and 4? Means I will have to play less just so I don't accidentally complete the missions.

Apparently they will be an option to be researched with the standard being HMS Montana layout. Still hate the whole Monarch Idea and the reasoning behind it the guns are below average so we drop it a tier and heavily nerf the armor on it seems stupid. Also it looks like the love child of an orgy between the KGV, HOOD, Belfast and North Carolina.

1. Description The Game UI disappeared and for brief few seconds it would reappear. This happened in Battle but when it finished it meant that I could not exit the came because Esc didn't bring up any options. 2. Reproduction steps Was playing a match in the T22, I think a cyclone just started as well. 3. Result Unable to see enemy ships ID where I was aiming, know if I had locked on, and lastly couldn't exit the game had to use Task Manager. 4. Expected result Should have been able to Identify the enemy and exit the game. 5. Technical details Happened 10 mins ago Intel Core i5-6600K CPU @ 3.50GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 8GB RAM

Would love that camo on my Warspite, it looks awesome.

There goes my Bismarck Arsonist Achievements without loading a single HE shell

WG used all the WD40 on the Warspite so there was none left for the rest of the RN BBs.