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It is not. Topping the scoreboard and earning visible rewards in the game for doing the right things are different. You can adjust the xp scoring of dds downward as you propose without giving out out any visible rewards. It is also possible to hand out loads of visible medals for small tasks that only give a litte xp, and thus it is necessary to farm a lot of them to top the scoreboard.

And it is still an awful boat and a step down from KGV, concealment or no. Just goes to show how bad those guns (angle, dispersion, penetration) really are.

+1 Elastion.

Certain cruisers (RN) are built around the smoke mechanics. The idea you suggest would break them. Not to mention gunboat DDs. Smoke meta is no longer a problem in ranked or clan wars, there is no issue. Played 714 BB games 426 DD games. Someone bring out the BB Bingo card (on a serious note, try to play some of the other lines and gain a more complete understanding the game)

you realize good cv players use Dots by attacking In 2 waves, first forcing repair and once dcp is down, 2nd wave hits? for instance with some TB, then use DB for second unrepairable fires? Giving Midway back the 2nd TB squad was a bit over the top alphawise.

Got a Normandie mission after finishing the Bretagne mission like you did, but I had not played the Bretagne. Got at fully researched Normandie from the Normandie mission, transferred the captain and sold the Bretagne.

You dont need CE to stealth torp on Anshan (but it makes life easier). Who said anything about brawling with USN dds and sub 6 km? Read my post again. You are correct USN dds are better all-in knifefighters compared to Soviets, but in a repeated 1v1 poke-disengage game at 6-8 km they will lose. Gnevnys can grind the USN dd away over time and win the cap. I will give you Gnevny is a less than optimal dd due to lacking torpedopower, but if you have problems with traverse, get EM. The Gnevny is a DD like Ognevoi, Udaloi and Grozevoi, able to get concealment down to USN levels. I can understand picking AFT first as a matter of playstyle, also foregoing CE is fine if you plan to go down the destroyer leader tree to Khaba. But with a 14 point captain CE is a fine pick on the Gnevny. Othwerwise, you are not using the boat's full potential.

Depends in how you use it. I played the Anshan last t6 ranked and hit R1. Barring torpedoes, it is basically a gnevny. It is a good DD hunter and if you play it to its strength will beat USN DD easily. You forgot or deliberatly omitted the fantastic arcs. With CE detection is close to usn levels and you can spot them and kite away, usn dude can't hit you with its mortars, while you can do 1.5k each volley. Better yet is to sail 2nd line and let another DD with better concealment spot. Don't ever get closer than 6 km if you can help it. The gnevny/Anshan/fushun and shinonome are the strongest 1v1 gunboats on t6 if played properly.

Lets look at the DD lines: - Germans: T22 is a massive Turd. Gaede and Maas are ok (useable torps) - USN: finished the line > 1 year ago; Mahan and farragut used to be copies with crap torps but stealth fire compensated. I imagine they still do ok as cap contesters, but hard to carry in them. Nicholas is great. - IJN: Minekaze fine, the T6s are turds, while T7 are monsters (shiratsuyu looking at you) - Russians: Used to be a pain untill Gnevny; See below Pan-Asian: T5 Jianwei is a massive turd (like T22); T6 is good, T7 is a monter Played Russian DDs when Kiev was OP before the split (and captain rework that allowed CE) so my knowledge is a bit outdated. Still. Gnevny (or anshan & other clones) and some other midtier dds used to benefit from CE. It was not untill Kiev at t7 (now T8) that AFT became mandatory. It all depends on whether they can reach concealment within 200-300 m of the USN line. If yes, then CE is a valid option, if not AFT is probably better. You see that in the split lines too. (Ognevoi) Udaloi and Grozevoi with CE is very viable (use AFT+CE and drop some 3 point perks, SE or SI comes to mind). Khaba with CE is a complete waste on the other hand.

Same problem

Tried it once and got 5 stars. It was an easy a farmfest, except the end where we lost 2 ships (but we had a 3 man div with 2 atlantas, while I was in my Flint - Oh boy a cancer combination!) Flint, Belfast, Fiji all exist at this tier and just one of them will trash any DD ever made.

As title says, finally rid o the Izumo grind and boy oh boy, I am in love already with my Yamato. Citadelled a Conqueror! But how to set it up? Currently running my standard Missouri style captain (17 points available) which means 1. priority target 2. AR + EM 3.SI 4. FP + CE Modules: concealment, reload, damage control 1+2, AA range, main armament mod 1. Not sure if it is worth making space for AFT or similar stuff. Ideas.

Thx this is exactly what I was aiming for, but wasnt sure if aa could be buffed to meaningful levels. BoS it is

Been back grinding my Budyoni and Galassoniere and holy crap mid-tier cruisers are an agony. Tier 1-5 and 9-10 are mostly fine. It is tier 6-8 that are free xp pinatas for the BB clickers. Only RN cruisers are exempted. One citpen 12-13k dmg - budyoni only has 30k hp, so that is close to 50%. Now add BB dispersion and 5-6 BBs on each team. Been kiting on flanks at max range meaning 14+ km (14 because when I close to shoot, that is how close they get while I turn the boat to kite). Had a tirpitz (with good aim, granted) blap me from 14.15 kms with a cit at the start, because I got spotted for 3-4s behind my island - Hotspots A cap south side. I angle, I keep on the move w+s hacks. Ok that kind of thing happens with RNGesus when you get spotted (1st mistake?) After another 4-5 mins of farming BB tears using spotter plane for extended range, the same tirpitz manages to push around the 1-3 line of islands (a bit close tho, 12 km, so 2nd mistake) I am perfectly angled showing only my stern gun and yet I get citadeled again. Next volley obviously is the end since there is only 3-5 k hp left and no way to flee or go unspotted. Yes Tirpitz is tier 8, but similar stuff happened with my Galassoniere and a Normandie & Arizona just the previous game, and I bet it happens to you guys too. Getting 40-50k dmg feels like an endless struggle. CA/CL gets punished with no ability to heal and are allowed 1-2 mistakes before dying, while BBs can sail around BBQ for several minutes and still withdraw laughing and recover 50% hp. BBs are so tanky these days they dont bother with each other, untill the cruisers are dead. They get fire prevention so they dont have to worry about HE, plus a heal to mend scratched paint. Wg removed their citadels and gave the poor BB cruiser level concealment. Newest among WGs idea is the Roma with 45 mm plating, because BBs fire prevention isnt enough. BBs really cant be allowed to even take damage from HE (let alone IFHE). Meanwhile, they have the biggest damage potential of any class (barring CVs which is an even bigger mess). How about just removing cruisers from the game, WG? It is really any wonder the game is so full of BB spam? /rant

Running vanilla client and cant remember. If so, you had darned good aim! :)

If your goal was to come across as condescending and slightly naive, congratulations, you have succeeded. Also you must be playing another (Russian?) server if you only see 4 BB each side during prime time) Exactly, wish WG could just see that!

Well, lacking that AP didnt keep my Neptune from citadelling monty from 14 km range (some wierd plunging fire weak spot i assume)

The meta is a result of balance and ease to play. Make BBs more unpopular and players will migrate to other classes. Need i say Midway Shimakaze Stealthfire There is a thread - BB dont even use vigilance anymore because torps arnt a credible threat.

Probably because I didnt play T5 for an eternity. I hated Kirov, but Kongsberg was great. I played Omaha back before any other nations were added when it was op. Dont play IJN og french CA (got Gala in the new year event) Its not so much the cruisers as it is the meta i guess =)

Thanks for you opinions. I stopped playing cruisers at tier 5-6 and changed over to BB and DD, so it may just be I dont enjoy the playstyle. They are so easily countered by any one BB or any DD (barring radar ships). Leander, Cleveland, Nurnberg - yes all cruisers have flimsy armor.

Hmm I would say the guns of RN battlewagons are wildly different making giving them a very different playstyle. From the hopelessly low calibre guns on Iron Puke (requires brawl distance, but turret rotation cant keep up) to the 15' pin-point accurate 15' QE guns (that things i OP) that can overmatch equal-tier bows, to the pityful wildly inaccurate 14' guns of the KGV (plays like a long-range HE slinger).

I realize you are a newbie, so here is some pointers: Destroyers are (the supposed) counter to BBs. You do realize fighting your supposed counter should statistically result in a loss? do you know what an assassin class are in other games? And how they work (stealth).

Are we playing the same game? I considee KGV UP if anything - horrible dispersion and turret angles, RN lack or armor (Not cits but insane he and ap pen dmg). Both Colorado, Nagato and even the QE are better ships in every way but speed (they have reliable guns). Good riddance having finally done the grind, although Monarch is unfortunately, worse.

don't think silver's are op, although Hindenburg HE and Conqueror HE comes close. Fiji - I happily take on even Opfast 1v1 and heal up gleefully afterward. Fletcher is decent - not really scary to the Gearing as some would have you think. Not op. Udaloi is arguably a better more versatile boat with an even heavier torp loadout. 1v1 is a toss-up. Gadja Mada maybe from videos, but currently grinding fushun which is balanced (dw torps is a definite liability in DD vs DD fights and I am always scared of getting yoloed sitting in my smokes) V-25 due to stupidly small size, rushing BB and seeing them miss at 3 km is priceless

Buddy has just enough armor to take citadels instead of overspend compared to kirov. It's a great ship played to its strength (stay 14+ km from all BB or shoot from cover) Also it's AP is devastating even from long range.