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Dont confuse winning with being effective. If you want to talk carry potential, well CVs and DDs do that. Hindy was excellent at progressing up the ranks by preserving a star. Also I saw plenty of effective use of german Hydro during my games. Fact is, Hindi is a lot tankier than Des and Mino and it gets focused alot less than radar cruisers do. All that put together should give it a consistent performance DDs and DesMoines/Mino can only dream of. I will agree Radar Mino also had exceptional carry potential since it could convert into DD torp mode once DDs were killed, essentially playing like a giant dd. Des Moines were too map dependant. Hindi has about 10k more average dmg than other CAs in ranked, which is about the same as the average BB dmg. I'd say that unless Hindi is a BB which it isnt, then a nerf is in order

To justify giving Stalingrad the same bow

About time Hindi is hit with the nerfbat. It could do with a complete rework, but at least this is a start. You only have to look at it's dominance in the last Ranked season (and afaik Clanwars too) to see that was long coming. It just does too well both as a long-range HE spammer and short-range brawler Roon nerfed seems a bit strange tho. Personally I would like to see a removal of the 1/4 penetration for HE and leave everything else as it is. Or one could change everything that makes it a brawler (which was its originally intended role) and remove torpedo tubes/range, AP and turtleback. (would make no sense). Someone needs better knowledge of game mechanics: As to the Moskva change, I love the Moskva so bring it on. Unfortunately this is one of those changes WG is going to use to justify giving Stalingrad the 50 mm bow too (yes it has that on the test ship right now!) Most stupid? That would put it in some seriously select company RPF Radar on certain BB (they wanted to give RN BBs radar, remember?) Radar and smoke in different slots (Opfast, Black, Grozevoi) Radar on almost every cruiser (did I say Radar meta?) Asahio AP divebombers to counter BBs by oneshotting the AA cruisers next to them.

Doubt it, Situated in Denmark and WoWs has been working just fine for the last couple days and hours. This happened suddenly today.

Yep. Keep getting thrown out of the games

Just had a laugh over the ridiculous TK system in my Moskva. 4 hp Mogami reversing in front of my guns as i shoot, would have rammed him moments later (we were maneuvering after trying to defend against a midway strike - that is how he lost the hp). I see no reason ramming would not lead to the same result. How low can you go WG? What is the lowest hp team dmg anyone has done to earn teamkiller status?

Oh pink status will not matter to me and there will be no Coop games for me. I just wanted to share the fun and absurd consequence of the TK system (and yes I still think becoming pink for 4 dmg is stupid. WoWs never had problems with that sort of trolls before when orange status didnt exist) As I said the mogami would have died anyway from getting rammed - nothing I could do would save him in that situation. Was going to say 1 is enough. Edited to to include the jpg because the forum threw an error. Lul.

You obviously need to Git Gud. It is possible. Ofc you lose the built in disperion buff to locked targets, but hitting maneuvering targets is not even hard.

Every gimmick WG adds to the game has no counterplay and that takes the fun out of the game. Btw, DDs have no counterplay against Radar, so why should CAs be allowed counterplay to a radar countermeasure? There is no counterplay to an interlocking grid of 7 enemy radars. There just isnt (apart from spamming torps from 13 km away) The obvious argument is that dds must spot between radars as their counterplay...but spotting is not rewarded with meaningful XP or credits. We saw that in the current Ranked season. This must change. Very apt decription of the current meta. Completely agree with the rest too. Soon the only DDs we see will be Asashios and possibly 16,5 km Gearing and 13,5 km YY bluelining with the BBs while Zaos and Minos do the spotting...

First there were 4 classes Then CVs got extinct. Now three left. We now see the reason for 12 km torps on Zao: Soon DDs will be gone and Zao will be the next MegaShima (and minotaur too). Then BBs will need 12 km radar to counter unfair unspotted torp cruisers. Now players can choose to play CAs and get deleted or BBs and be the deleter. Meanwhile, Hindenburg gets reclassified as the next Master Race with the coming Legendary upgrade, farming everyone from 20 km away.

Lets see... Last couple chung mu games with 48k to 160k dmg. The latter was a loss, but winrate sits at a comfy 68%. Gearing and Khaba has no problems either. DD play basically has to adapt to caps being permaradared and play the new meta we also saw in TX ranked: Playing the objective means spot the squishy cruisers for the Borderclickers and pray they can hit a barn from the inside. It helps most radar cruisers go BOOM if BBs even aim their way. This is a very good point though. Current radar conditions are stupid, although expected to die down as the novelty of USN CLs wear off.

Easy: Don't play the retarded thing. Play Towerdefence instead, it is more fun.

All rounded dds: USN, PA, KM Cap contester #1 is KM dds with hydro. I can personally attest Z52 is a wonderful toy. It plays with an arrogance matching the Khaba. The problem as you mention is radar cruisers (and CVs curse them) prey on dds trying to cap, so this will be an interesting learning experience for you. Downsides: arrogance will get you rekt by radar It has a lot of downtime between hydros cooldowns and the torps are mediocre. Also teams expect you to Yolo into caps at the start which is a sure-thing way to get blasted by radar, while Gearings and other dds have more freedom. Personally i prefer the USN and PA dds because their playstyle is more versatile (and then I put up with their mortar guns) The tier 6-7-8 have pretty poor dpm but as compensation, you can citadel the odd unsuspecting cruiser with those monster 150 mm guns. In short yes the tier 6 will be a taste of what is to come Khabarovsk is very much a one-trick pony if you play it to the flanks. It can be used as a second line dd too though. I unlocked it before the presently buffed Trashcan, but it was indeed more clumsy than the Kiev and handled like a bus, as Khaba.

Khaba never gets old. Its a Kiev on steroids with 25% more guns. I played IJN dds only for obtaining the Akizuki. My opinion: There are better options if you like torpedoing (PA dds and Fletcher) T22 sucks in the club of sucking. It sucks evrn in some very select company like really old prebuff pensacola, Furutaka and izumo. Skip it. You can fire those guns for 20 mins at a DD and still not kill it (flamu made a pretty cool video about it some months back). Suffer the tier 6 untill 2nd hull and have fun with hydro (KM dds are still not great apart from tier 7, 9 and 10). They are cap contesters and if you have problems with radar, you will either learn fast to deal with radar, or just plain hate these dds (see bottom) Pan Asian DDs turn american from tier 8 (Hsienyang is a Benson with DW torps). You will hate the arcs. They are your state-of-the-art torpedoboats and arguably the best line for experienced DD captains because of DW torps and radar. Worthy of consideration if you can learn to shoot around the Moon. FYI I hated the GM too although my stats are very good in it. TL;DR - if you like guns, get the Khabarovsk or possibly the Akizuki (not a beginner ship though), Forget other IJN dds unless you just want a TX. You mentioned radar being a problem for you - this is likely related to tier, not ship, although some dds deal better with it, specifically Khabarovsk dont really give a damn about radar since it is always busy shooting up some ship and spotted. Gearing, Yue Yang and Shima can all torp from outside radar range (but low chance to hit). A better option is learning all radar ships and never try to cap before they are located and elsewhere. Never go more than 1 km into radars range on pain of death. Play the flanks, spot the radar ships, F3, and watch those camping BBs gleefully delete them.

Kinda agree there is such a thing as too much radar. We saw that in the recent ranked seasons. It leads to very boring games (for dds) because there is literally no targets to go for as a DD. One or two, even three radars can be dealt with, but as soon as there are 4+ radars and all flanks are covered it sucks. Luckily with USN and PA dds, you can torp from outside radar range, so take advantage of that. Sometimes radar ships can even be baited to push into those torpedoes :) Apart from that, you need to get good. And no that does not mean camping. Think of it as an evolving meta with capping as a multistage process getting more complicated with each passing day. Soon USN CLs will make that process even more intolerable (due to their Radar range exceeding their concealment, Payfast style). These days you cannot immediately cap, the first objective is to deny the enemy the cap. To cap, some conditions must be met. It is necessary to beat down enemy radar cruisers and DDs and prevent them from reaching positions where they can radar/shoot your capping-spot.

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It may not get easier, but after playing TX DD in ranked with 3 DesMos/radar Minos on each side, it can hardly get worse. This game already has too much radar and Dds have learned to adapt. But adding still more radar and static defences (eg cruiser glued to an island might aswell be a Fort) will not do anything good for the campy gameplay. Those light cruisers will have to expose themselves to use their guns on DDs, and they can also be Yolo rushed as a last resort. Most annoying will be finding the surprise CL in the open where it is not expected to be. Then get rekt because those things dont get spotted before radar is already in range. (but DDs already have plenty of experience with that from ranked battle Minotaurs - not that Dds can do much about it)

Doubt it can get much worse than the current 3-5 radars on each team plus the odd RN cruisers It s the reality of DD fights: they are very rarely isolated. As you say Khaba is good for support or tanking damage. Khaba will win any DD 1v1 pretty much guaranteed provided it can find the other DD (RPF helps). The only DD that might beat it is the Z52 with smart hydro use. But if you try using Khaba as a frontline DD vs shima or anything with 6 km detection that has support? Goodbye Khaba hp pool and goodbye Khaba. Back to Grozevoi it will get rekt by the support far more than other nimbler dds with the same detection radius and it is boring to play to boot.

Because Khaba playstyle is about farming Dmg on the flank like Henry, Hindi, Zao? Individual DPM is not always relevant in DD vs DD fights unless it is an isolated one. Being able to dodge the 1 million incoming AP shells is far more important. Khaba is only good in DD vs DD fights if it can see and shoot said other dd. Otherwise it gets rekt. Having a concealment advantage (as Grozevoi) is actually its best selling point vs Udaloi as you can use it like a shima - spot without shooting.

Have all the tier X gunboats but the YY and loving them. Dont have tier 9+10 IJN as I dont like the playstyle. No matter the meta I keep returning to the Gearing and Khaba. Khaba basically dont care about the meta, it just does it own egoistic witherer thing. Gearing with its long range torps can play in any meta too. Are we playing the same game? Udaloi is like...better than Grozevoi in every single way but AA and hp. Grozevoi has worse handling than the RN cruisers which makes it kinda useless in DDvsDD fights. Khaha is a better dd

Finally hit R1 after 289 battles with basically a 6 game winstreak. This late into the season the standard of DD play is so low it is possible to hardcarry in DDs. I ranked out in Gearing and Z52 both with ~60% winrate and earned 2 solo warriors in the process. Early in the season the standard of teamplay was good, and advancing as a dd tough since fighting took placer over distances beyond torpedo range. And capping gives no XP = hard to keep stars. Midway through, a lot of fruitcakes had found their way to the R5-R10 department and the first 5 mins usually saw a mutual harikiri by enemy AP. Games were decided by who had less fruitcakes more than by skill. I played DesMoines and Yamato and found BBs have it quite easy preserving stars by sheer dmg farming. Now late in the season the atrocious standard of DD play with a lot of defeats snatched from the jaws of victory meant a transition back to DDs. Some tips for the DD players out there. 1. Run RPF. I see way so many dds not doing so. Please quit playing DDs for the sake of your team if you can't figure out why RPF is mandatory for dds. 2. (to the Shimas out there especially) Dont go off on your own solo expedition, it usually gets you killed and always sets the team back some spotting. Dont go unsupported to 9-10 line on North. 3. Realize caps are permaspotted by radar most games, so the objective this season is to control flanking positions before going in. Even in a Z52, go to the flanks and kill/chunk the enemy DD so it cant crossfire you while you cap. 4. Keep you fleet safe if you are a gunboat dd. Very common situation is DDs running off to cap the enemy cap as the enemy push. Now the enemy crush the couple friendly cruisers and BBs who defend the friendly cap because of permaspot and torpedoes. Now at a firepower disadvantage the dd's team lose and since capping gives almost no XP, the DD lose a star. For future season I'd hope WG will look at DDs ability to preserve stars as it appears they have a much harder time doing so.

Dont know if I agree on that, it has torpedoes which is the Belfasts achilles heel Try it in the tier 7 scenarios with alot of planes swanning around. It is disgusting. Same here. Ranked is getting more awful with each passing season and the rewards apart from the Flint and Black are not worth playing for. I did play BBs but have abandoned them to go back to DDs and now have a 60+% winrate in the Gearing in the R2-R5 bracket. Guess the opposition has gotten bad. I just cant bring myself to not play the objectives and farm stars, so might aswell play a carry ship.

GZ =) Still rank 3 after 280 battles, spent like 150 battles breaking rank 5/6 in BB and Des. Got 2 solo warriors in the process, also the first after 8k battles. Now back to playing dds with 60%+ winrate in gearing and prayin i will rank out before the end. This has been by far the worst season.

Because it is not worth the XP cost of grinding an adidtional couple games (assuming premium and 100% camo, otherwise a LOT more games) Many of my DDs will never have the FCS upgrade becuase these days, increasing max range is flat out BAD for dds (especially USN/PA ones that cant it anything at max range because the Moon blocks their shots)

Well I have the Anshan too, and both are great boats much superior to the Gnevny they are based on due to torp range. A case of reverse russian bias Also I dont doubt GM can chase down dds, as I've done it a few times myself. The problem is rather, how do you get out afterward? Maybe it was the DW torps that made me uncomfortable, but I played the GM very conservatively. You may get the dd, but if it costs most of your hp, is that worthwhile? GM never gave me that feeling of being unbeatable, maybe because of the constant awareness that I can get smoke rushed any time and torped to oblivion. Khabarovsk on the other hand, when you have BBs and shimas spamming torps at you (since they cant reach anything else), that is an unbeatable ship.