Kiwi1960

So, in their wisdom to screw over players even more, the added 1 player to the Co-Op battles... most of the time, they add a BOT player as there are no humans... Surely, you'd add a player if you had too many wanting to play, BUT... this is actually a sneaky way for WoWs to screw us over YET AGAIN.... I'm tired of the game ending when there are still one or two enemy ships left alive ... ESPECIALLY when I have one in my sights and one more hit would kill it.... sure, Co-Op doesn't pay much BUT it pays LESS now because the points are spread over more players... and when the bots on our team constantly ram the enemy... then that is unfair... its basically THEFT as far as I am concerned, you're charging me game money to resupply the ship but the costs barely cover that now... WoWs really is determined to kill the game. Because of my Terminal Lung Cancer, I only play Co-Op because I don't like the crap in Random or Ranked from the other team... I just want to have fun... Bots do not abuse you.... they are BETTER than many humans in that respect. Asking WoWs to fix it is a waste of time.... I know that.... but its just another nail in the games coffin. The REAL killer will be subs, roll on 2020 and finish killing the game, WoWs.

Don't say sorry to them, right now, they deserve all they get... if I could blame them somehow, I'd say they were the cause of the Titanic going down... blame it on a bad turning circle....

Last I heard, they arrived in Australia... ironic.... seeing Australia was founded by crooks....

The white flag is apt... when anyone sees a PR they will fire upon it... and that applies to team mates... and the abuse... Sea Lord Mountbatten already had a taste of that but he explained he had to buy it for the videos he makes... Its going to be interesting to see what happens when "traitors" buy her.... and what WoWs will do about it? Knowing them.... nothing... well.... unless you pay them protection money... sounds about right given what WoWs are now...

They still live in their own little fantasy world... bless their cold little hearts. They be like.... "All is well... its only the malcontents blabbering on and on, just ignore them like we do and they will go away.... we only do nice things for the community".... Well, if we are the community.... then I think we would be impeaching the mayors and other officials for being corrupt! Keep it up WoWs, keep living in your fantasy world... you will find out soon enough that when you crap on people.... they crap back.

and 2020 as the year people walked.... R.I.P. WoWs.... screwed over by your own creators.

someone is in charge of the community??????? Do you guys even know the meaning of the word? Besides.... Meet the world of warships team Should read Meet the cr...errrr.... no... better not. Why the sudden need for you to show off the team? OH, I get it... you want us to treat you like PEOPLE.... (works both ways right, we are not cash cows!) I wonder if this is an attempt to humanise yourselves... build up a little Stockholm Syndrome? BTW, does this mean you have NO dedicated Public Relations team???? Explains a great deal that does.

BTW, I'm sure the commerce watchdogs are watching the forums now as well... every complaint may well be a black mark against WOWS... By the same token, deleting posts, locking threads and/or banning people may NOT look good to the watch dogs... and I know the E.U. watchdogs are REALLY tough... (they made FaceBook end up paying a 5 billion Euro fine) I agree with @GSP_Dibbler and what he said above. 100%

Well, I'd love to, but why would I want to lose friends by bringing them to the game to be scammed in an event like the PR fiasco? Worse, I get to earn a few trinkets for all the blood I send WG, they get the big bucks from my "soon to be former" friends and I get 20 pieces of worthless doubloons, I mean, silver for my effort? I cannot in all good conscience send anyone to WoWs given that WG cares very little for loyalty, honour and friendships... I mean, look at the PR grind, they don't even care about our families let alone friends... so WHY would I want to do that to anyone? I suggest WG and WoWs accepts the fact that everyone now trusts them as much as a home invader armed with a rusty knife... in fact, I'd trust the home invader more because he would only do that to me ONCDE whereas WoWs has screwed us time and time again... BUT even now, they don't "get the anger"... that is the Russian way of doing business... their way or screw you... they have NO IDEA what it is like to conduct customer relations... NONE!!!! I'm sick of Sub_Octavian and his hollow false apologies and lame excuses. "We did it for the invalids and unemployed".... LAME EXCUSE! And you DARE think I'd subject THAT onto anyone else? I know what their thinking is.... "Pay 20 pieces of silver to fools who send us new marks we can scam and when they leave... so what... more new blood incoming..." Reminds me of a Ponzi scheme... makes sense, I mean, they are asking for more and more and more because fewer and fewer are paying the bills.... ENOUGH! You want new blood.... then RESPECT THE PLAYER BASE!!!! That would be a good start... I will not help you scam people.

I have already said this... I've been playing since 2015 and sunk a fortune into this game, but no more. I can hardly play for 1 daily container let alone all three like used to. My will to play the game is gone. WoWs are just crooks. Remember last Christmas, when they delayed the coupon reset so players who had been lazy and not used them could have... it was a big "screw you" to those that had been loyal and used them immediately... they never saw the problem, never said sorry and they still don't get why we were annoyed... or they just didn't care. I'm half expecting them to do it again this year, just to wind us up even more. I'm not investing anything else into this game because it hard enough to invest time because ...the fun just isn't there... WoWs has screwed with us once too often for me to even care any more. They treat us like garbage, like cash cows... and I get abused by the support team when I ask for help... THAT is how totally screwed up they are. We pay the bills but they treat us like they own us... free to play, I'm going to put that to the test. NOT ONE MORE EURO!

because the unique commanders are not really unique... why they call them that, I have no idea why? Trying to con people again? Click on the commanders (for 175k coal) and you can see their abilities... still not worth it... double a normal commander, say, 70K coal.... and even then.... it would be a cold day in hell before I'd buy one.... even with coal.

Yeah, after the PR debacle, this comes a close second for worst ideas ever... 175,000 coal for a commander???? Really?????\ You *DO* know that the Soviet Union had a sub standard navy for many years and Germany actually lost two world wars..... Admittedly they both have some nice enhancements... but they are minor TILL either your ship is nearly sunk or the game is nearly over. Maybe if you had tweaked ALL the German BB's it might be worth it... but its not like the German line has a Yamato with bulk hit points.... and who would stick him in a CV???? For 175,000 coal times two... you could buy at least two decent ships.... WoWs were greedy with the PR and now they act deluded. If this is the way its going to be now, I can see WoWs declining in popularity in 2020... War Thunder is looking better and better by the day.

In military jargon, they are collateral damage... I feel sorry for them, their masters made a work of art into the worst most hated thing EVER in this game.

AND.... its an admission that they screwed up.... why not make it official and say sorry and MEAN IT.... without that idiot Sub_Octavian saying they did it for the disabled people and unemployed... That guy insults EVERYONE'S intelligence... he is an embarrassment to his employers.... I mean, they probably told him to say sorry and make up an excuse... but all he did was patronise everyone and insult them... adding fuel to the fire.

My total last word on this subject.... In the past, WoWs always had their supporters and the entire community would be at war... arguing with each other... till it died down and no one cared about what set it all off... something WoWs did or said... This time is different, they HAVE no supporters... even the WoWs propaganda department (C.C.'s) are on our side... NOT ONE POST DEFENDING THEM ANYWHERE!!!!! This is why WoWs needs to grasp the seriousness of the situation... they did what no one thought possible... 100% of the community across all four regions are now UNITED!!!!!! They should be afraid... VERY afraid. With so much anger... anything can happen... we are not arguing among ourselves... WoWs is the common enemy, deservedly so.... this will not blow over... it will not go away.... AND WORSE.... anyone that buys a PR will be EVERYONE'S main target in Random or ranked... or hell, clan battles. I'd even go pink to help sink the traitor to the community... why would anyone want to own one when the minute they take it out, they will be abused, insulted and shot at by everyone.... admitting you own one on the forums would be a big mistake... so why own a ship you cannot use?????? With 100% of the community now united... even if someone played hard and got it for free... they'd never admit to owning her... right?

I got an Email back from the E.U. commerce watchdogs.... "We are aware of the situation and are looking into it. You are not the only one to have made us aware of the problem." They go on to say that they cannot do much till the new year, but someone will be monitoring the situation to see what develops over the holidays. I think they are hoping WoWs will make this right. They also said that they have watched Zoup's and Jingles videos on the matter and thanked us for pointing us to them. Must be a LOT of complaints as its the FIRST time I ever got an Email form letter .... LMAO!

You know what... the crazy thing is... someone at WG must be totally insane.... They made so many enemies (at least 90% of the community) so they could steal what, a few million dollars, pounds euros..... When if they had thought about... not being crooks... and making this fair would probably have gotten them much much more... especially in the long run with other events.... what is the big deal abouyt getting money NOW as opposed to more over time???? Its like they know the game is nearly up and want as much as they can get before they are closed down by the watchdogs.... then they can all retire to the beaches of Cyprus. My point is.... why do this now???? Its like a friend I had once who worked in a Pizza shop (in New Zealand) ... a week after he started he was fired for take NZ$20 from the till and into his pocket.... As I told him, had he not done that, he could have earned hundreds of times more than that and may eben be manager one day.... "Now you get nothing except a criminal record and no one will want to employ you incase you steal again...." But by then.... it was far too late for him.... just as TODAY will be the last day for WoWs to make this right. NO ONE..... supports them.... I have not seen ANYONE on ANY of the four forums supporting them, except, I heard that people are being banned on the NA forums for speaking out in anger... nothing changes... America, home of free speech.... except at WoWs NA forums.... Even the C.C.'s are against them.... the more anti WoWs videos that come out AND STAY UP means they will find it VERY HARD to get new players... Remember E.A.? Bethesda? You can add WG.NET to that list. And they excuse they gave wasn't they were thinking of the disabled players... wow... that would be PR gold so why were they not open about it... because its a lie. REMEMBER THE PUERTO RICO AND NEVER FORGET! This day of shame will forever live in infamy for WoWs ... and so soon after the anniversary of December 7th, the first day of infamy....

It would work anywhere, the problem I see is that WG is based in Russia but their HQ is in Cyprus, a known tax haven and number one hang out of choice for crooks... the US courts might say they cannot rule on other nations where a wows server is housed... and I get that... it should be possible to sue them AFTER the commerce watchdogs are done with them as that could make our chances much better. In the meantime... I'd LOVE IT with the crooks would remove that "dockyard" crap from my port... I do NOT wish to be insulted by them any more.... and why does the armory default to a Merry Christmas advert for us to buy gambling containers? If I want to see their lies about "Merry Christmas" I'll be sick... BEST OF ALL.... rather than venting to cretins that are not listening... get on the phone, send emails and complain to your national commerce watchdogs asking them to investigate. mention illegal gambling, scams, extortion, fraud....

I have been told a short time ago by my neighbour, who is a legal research assistant, that I, and others, could make a case for the return of 100% of the money we have spent on WoWs since the game started, less a fair fee for use of their server etc, on the basis of the following argument... WG.NET have proven themselves to less that adequate guardians of our accounts... the minute trust is breached by them, is the time we should be able to say we no longer trust them with our pixels and demand a refund. The same argument, along similar lines, could be applied when a company that you have invested in is found to have stolen invested money... the money (or pixels) has been held in trust for us by WG.NET.... ....and that trust is no longer there based on the criminal acts they committed to steal invested money, and attempt to steal more.... The fact is, WoWs should be shut down now to protect those coming after us... personally... I want to see the crooks locked up and the company closed. Nothing would make me happier. EDIT: I have looked and looked and I can find NO ONE that supports WG over this fiasco. Not on ANY of the four servers... nor on REDDIT.... the Community Contributors are on the verge of resigning because they were USED to mislead people... its not looking god for the crooks... silence is not helping matters... not this time... calls for Sub_Octavian to be fired are common now... WG, grow a pair... man up, say sorry and offer refunds and make the event a REAL event... making amends like that will look good in Court for you....

Well, since posting what I did, I have had a discussion with my wife (and cat) and we have decided a few things. Currently, I am dealing with Terminal Lung Cancer. I have 20 something days of premium left. I TRIED playing the game today, but my heart isn't in it any more. I may play a few games a day from now on, but I'm done. I started playing here on the 21st July, 2015 but migrated to the N.A. server where I play mostly and run a clan with 40 members. In the morning, I will tell them that I'm not going to play as much as I have in the past, and that means NO ONE CENT MORE FOR WAR GAMING! The bovine excrement apology made my decision much easier. On the one hand, they say they do it for the hard core gamer with no life due to not having a job due to being disabled or unemployed... really? I played to take my mind off the cancer, my wife knew this, so the excuse that it was for people to take their minds off their problems is total BS! It was nothing more than a money grab made by Russians who act more like crooked mobsters than they do businessmen and it made my decision much much easier. Tomorrow morning, I will be contacting a few people who work for the E.U. to help people who have been ripped off by crooks to seek justice. The Commerce watch dogs should look into WG.NET because this shouldn't be allowed to happen. Personally, I didn't get ripped off... but I want WG.NET to buy my accounts from me on all four servers because they wont let me sell my accounts, but really, I wouldn't sell them because that would be unfair to the buyer... worse... given the level of dishonesty, I wouldn't get much for them. I want those who were involved in this corrupt practice to face prison time. Why? Because they have taken all the fun out of the game, and they have the (I'm fighting the urge to use foul language here) nerve to say they did it for disabled people.... unemployed people and disabled people do NOT have that kind of money to throw away on a game at this time of year... the mere fact that they would use disabled people as an excuse for their TOTAL DISHONESTY is beneath CONTEMPT! How LOW can you go to use disabled people as the reason you decided to steal money shows me EXACTLY what kind of HUMAN FILTH we are dealing with.... knowing that, how can anyone enjoy this game any more? I won't advocate anyone to leave the game, that is a personal choice, but sooner or later, you will get scammed. Scammers be scammers and crooks be crooks and they do not deserve our support. Lock up the crooks. I am a disabled person... not only do i have Cancer, which on its own is bad enough, but I also suffer from Multiple Sclerosis and have a heart condition. I think that apology where they said they did this for disabled people is an insult to EVERYONE! They can all go to hell, being the crooks they are... and... and if they personally are not crooks, then they are justa s bad for workign for crooks... tarred by the same brush as the guilty... with the stench of greed lingering in the air where ever they go. I'll spend the time with my wife and our cat.

Take you BS and SHOVE IT!!!!! Who the hell feels excited to be scammed? To be lied to? You have a real problem if you think there is no problem, you're all crooks. man up, grow a pair and fix this. Personally... I think all crooks should be locked up.... y'know... just saying....

What WoWs is doing is seriously illegal. It amounts to fraud and extortion. And just think... the PR (in this case, Public relations, NOT the mythical BS BB) nightmare will just get worse and worse... No one trusts them any more.

You know WoWs is TOTALLY screwed when the CC's come out against you... and EVERYONE mentioned the "illegal" word.... SUCKS TO BE THEM RIGHT NOW.... I think THIS single episode might be enough to actually KILL the game. If I were them, I'd stop ignoring this and respond with a REAL apology and a REAL fix for the entire event. If the players stop playing... and NO ONE refers new blood to the game... and the C.C.'s all quit.... then they are out of a job.... BUT THAT WILL NOT BE THE END OF IT.... No, because there will be the inevitable law suits.... if they close the game down to avoid a fine, then the other games will be affected... staff in other regions could be prosecuted... international arrest warrants for the ring leaders of the scam could be issued... Like I said.... WoWs would be stupid to allow this to go on, they should NOT be on holiday... they should be fixing this... facing up to the community... heads must roll.... Jingles and Zoup make good points... they are not alone... the community is about to riot and flame ANY and ALL staff fronting live streams.... they NEED to fix this.

Nice video, but the source leaves a sour taste in my mouth... sour zoup? Actually, I watched the video and posted this on his video... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- You know me, Zoup, I hated your guts for various reasons... but this video, respect! You hit the nail on the head. I have already decided to leave the game in the new year because of my Terminal Lung Cancer and I want to spend more time with my wife, well, really, I will still play, but I'm never giving them anymore money. I'm sure you KNOW why I really hate you, if not, ask and I'll tell you via Email. BUT, today .... I forgive you. As a community, we all need to stick together for the game we love and so WoWs doesn't get away with this yet again. Now I'm going to make a statement and I stand by it... Sub_Octavian must be fired from his position because nearly ALL the crap that has gone down, HE has had a hand in it. I trust WoWs a little more than Sub right now, so if he came out and said sorry... I'd laugh... if he came out and said "here is how we will fix it"... I'd be looking for the scam. Right now, they USED people like you to spread lies so they could steal money... I do not blame you, I blame Sub.... he SHOULD have known what the CC's were saying and did NOTHING to correct the misunderstanding... if that was what it was. In reality... I think they knew EXACTLY what they were doing and actively set out scam people and screw the law... THEY think they are above the law... Mark Zuckerberg thought that as well, but the E.U. wiped the smile off his face with fines totaling more than 5 billion Euros. Maybe its time for WoWs to face the same punishment. At any rate... I may not always support what you say.... but, RE-subscribed.

So... they are on.... holiday???????? And yet... they expect us to grind the PR with OUR holidays and away from our families... I reckon they could come back and fix the problems and screw their holiday.... WE pay their wages.