Culiacan_Mexico

Boris_MNE I want to win an award !!! So here is my entry. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The boiling frog is a fable describing a frog being slowly boiled alive. The premise is that if a frog is put suddenly into boiling water, it will jump out, but if the frog is put in tepid water which is then brought to a boil slowly, it will not perceive the danger and will be cooked to death. The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability or unwillingness of people to react to or be aware of threats that arise gradually. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is the a large portion of the Battleship and Cruiser community. Always has been. WG has repeatedly publish charts/graphs that show the major killer of battleships and cruisers is gun fire AP + HE. The vast majority of all damage comes from this, and the portion that is from DDs is fairly small. During KOTS the commentators would repeat what is/was often said on the forums: a team with one more DD means the other team has an extra cruiser. More fire power. Gun fire... the primary killer of battleships and cruisers. In open beta 5-6s DD per side was very common; and many BB and cruiser players complained. WG made changes that reduced the number of DD per game on average, and the result was more battleships and cruiser per game. Increase gunfire in each match on average... the water temperature went up. The pattern would continue with battleship and cruiser players arguing for less DD, which mean more BB and CA/CL. More lethality. The water temperature goes up. The water is boiling now with cruisers parking behind island and many battleships follow suit. What solution do the seek to rectify this situation... less DDs... turn the temperature higher. Over 2 ½ years ago, I could sail in the open with a Königsberg contesting caps, now it wasn't without risk, those on the forum would tell you to watch the BB make sure to check their guns and only turn if they were pointed else where or after they fired. That is if there was even a BB close to you. Now that advise doesn't work with five BBs and four cruiser on average per game the gun fire potential has doubled. Lethality to BBs and cruisers has nearly double in 2 ½ years. In the fable, the frog was boiled by someone else, in WoWs the battleships and cruiser community boiled themselves.

My opinion. More lethality is not need, but actually less.

If an average of five DDs per side was an issue before with cruiser players; and that went away 2 years ago, as high tier DD average around 25% or less now. All is good?

Who cares about win rate in CoOp? Some ships are significantly better than others in that mode. Mine is setting at 96.77% right now.

I disagree, as I think short range hydro on cruisers... all cruisers... should be part of their game play. Hydro on DDs should be removed.

BBs are not getting nerfed. WG bet years ago that world of battleships was what people wanted and would play; and while it is true a core group are dedicated to them, if the number regarding retention are correct... WG bet on the wrong pony. Dull and stagnate in a naval game... a bold choice.

The BBs I understand, but how are the DDs and issue?

Has that ever stop WG before?

I think every Tier 10 should get radar!

Sound like an opening line to a joke.

I know... I feel bad.

Guided? I found during Open Beta DDs were over-played because they were way to effective and easy to play. Nerfs and counters were added. Adjust the counters.

Russia

"Currently Grozovoi is in quite an awkward situation. Among tier X destroyers she has the lowest winrate and the worst combat effectiveness numbers, failing at most of her tasks. She has fair concealment, great main batteries and workable AA support, however her massive hull and mediocre torpedoes cancel out her advantages. It’s obvious that the ship needs an improvement. The question is, how exactly we go about this. We’ve looked at different ways to boost her and came to a conclusion that close combat, negating other destroyers and support are optimal roles for Grozovoi to fulfill." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have a radical idea, how about making a destroyer better at countering battleships! You know those ships, the most over played type... by your own statements? I know this is really thinking outside they box. Sorry.

The only Russian DD I do not have.

Radar party!!!!!!

The funny thing is... the tiers 9 and 10 US CL aren't even live let.

I don't know if you are correct, but it is a thought that should be explored. I know many say DDs are not truly effected by being bottom tier, but in my experience tier 6 dds can be completely out classed by their tier 8 brethren. A reasonably experienced player who performs above average can get by most of the time, but for a new player of lesser skill... I think it just leads to slaughter.

That would seem less than optimal.

Am I reading that right 90 day retention is down to around 10%?

On tiers 7 & 8 have +/- 2

Stealth firing? I never even knew what that was, but I did know at low/mid tier that cruisers with hydro were strong in caps. Radar was a poor gimmick to introduce at the time... that hasn't changed. MM hasn't been 6-3-5 in over a year.

I don't think they will even try to fix it, which is too bad, as there was a time, almost three years ago when CA/CL could, with knowledge and caution, cruiser the map contesting objectives. There wasn't a need to park behind land mass. A better time in my opinion.

BBs have countered cruiser freedom of movement, more than they ever should have. That is a problem that doesn't seem to be on anyone list of things to address. Just to addon, short of Pan-Asian dds, don't you launch torpedoes into smoke.

In a DD you attack. Pre- five BBs per side, in a cruiser with hydro, you destroyed them.