Tyrendian89

except it is first place in every single one of these except plane kills among the non-Premiums, and often by quite significant margins. Which is all that really matters, because if you know anything about WG you should know that Premiums tend to be balanced on a wholly separate scale, but just for argument's sake... That Missouri is idiotically strong has never been in question here, and Musashi's averages benefit hugely from its playerbase being rather far on the top end of the spectrum. But when you look at the top performances in these ships, Alsace is at the very least on par with them, if not ahead. The Alsace was simply a bit too good in its old state. If you cant admit to that just by looking at the data, I dont know what I'm doing here...

because googling is hard, apparently... http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Upgrades#Unique_Upgrades_.28.22Legendary.22_Upgrades.29

you're not big on facts are you? and this is from today, so the nerf has already had a little bit of time to affect this... Alsace was miles ahead of all of its silver "competition".

looks like roughly the same kind of "maths" that OP seems to employ, at least...

yup, happens here too

oh, you crawled out of your hole again? havent seen you in a long time OP... still same (lack of) quality as ever...

and neither does any other stat, alone. Average damage alone? useless, depends hugely on tier and ship class played. Average kills alone? useless, kill securing is a thing. Survival rate alone? useless, period. Score in your Rating system of choice alone? useless, can veeeery easily be farmed up by just picking the right ships and being somewhat competent in them. So, what's your point again? I forgot...

yes it is, if interpreted intelligently with the necessary context. Which, hint, is true for just about every other statistic as well.

Harugumo? At least it's got the maneuverability of a BB I hear...

holding on to my coal, steel and freeXP until we know details about these two... because both of them are a LOT more interesting to me than Moskva 2.0 Staliniumgrad or Salem...

they are, actually, surprised me too. Wowsnumbers has the Martel leading T8 for winrate and damage, yes ahead of even Kutuzov by a little. StLou is third on winrate and a very comfortable second for damage, behind only Kronshtadt. So, while I personally dont like the nerf to them either, that is probably WGss reason to not just give them the booster as a freebie.

speaking from T6 upward (until then they're just run of the mill generic boats with not much to make them stand out), the French line is far and away my favourite overall Battleship line from a design point of view. Why? Not because they're all incredibly strong for their tier, although they sure arent weak. No, it's because each of the ships is interesting, unique in some form for its tier, each ship has something to look forward to, and at the same time they are all very solid platforms that allows the special aspects of each to shine without throwing too much mud over them. Normandie at T6 is essentially a much much more mobile NewMex, which massively helps with influencing a battle even if the guns aren't quite as strong. Lyon at T7 has its absolutely hilarious 16-rifle buckshot broadside - inaccurate as all hell, but it doesnt matter when you throw this much metal downrange. Otherwise mostly just a solid ship - not a lot to be annoyed about, just carries you into places to have fun with your main battery. Richelieu at T8 is everything Dunkek wanted to be, because it's got the bow armour to actually tank BB shells (Lolpenmato excepted obviously). Very solid 15" guns once you get a feel for them too, deceptively agile for BB standards, decent concealment and AA - you can very easily play a mobile BB with it, and only go bowtank mode when the situation is right for it. Alsace at T9 has ridiculous amounts of firepower, both the main battery and its secondaries (if you fully spec for them including IFHE to make the 100mm actually do something) are fantastic. Coated in 32mm plating so Yamatos and HE spammers are a problem, but the ship needed some sort of weakness I suppose... probably tier for tier the strongest ship in the line imho. And finally, at T10, you get the Republique. Again coated in 32mm, relatively low durability is its main weakness but those gun. Dear lord, those guns. The pen on them is completely batshit insane, and they're (usually) reasonably accurate too with their 2.0 sigma. Completely dumps on most cruisers, citadels for days on careless BB broadsides, and the 24s base reload is very tasty too.

that is one seriously impressive amount of clueless idiocy concentrated into one single post, even by the rather high standards that these forums sometimes display...

considering the probable backlash in the States if they make the Alaska too hard/exclusive to get, that does seem like the most likely option...

the simple fact that people are buying these things disagrees with you...

and to give WG credit, iirc we have not seen any "only-available-in-idiotic-bundles" releases for new premiums for quite a while have we? There was always just the "naked" ship available

that's almost like beating up the fat kid in sports class... he's got enough problems already...

eh... I mean... it's not like them doing this hurts us in any way does it? We can just ignore it, buy the ship a week later if we so wish, and some silly sausage that goes "Here's Muh Wallet Gimme Gimme MuhSushi nao!" will get a free dutch cherry on top... (I'm sure there is some kind of Sushi that comes with a cherry... I mean, there's all kinds of hilarious food out there^^)

did I miss something over the last half year, or did they never change anything and it's still as completely ridiculous as it was back when they decided to not sell it because it overshadowed the Gaede in pretty much every single way?

you know what is also overpowered? Punctuation. Also, Saipan is a premium. So good luck waiting for any nerfs...

I'd rather increase the cooldown than lower the duration... extra downtime will give DDs more opportunities to use those "holes" in the radar coverage if they're smart, which is often a very tight gamble on getting in and out again during the current 2min window. I never understood why WG decided to go from 6/4min cooldowns to 3/2min way back then, 4.5/3min would have been a lot more reasonable in the first place...

same here. Liked the Eagle Worcester camo better, so went that side, dont give a rat's rear end about the containers so don't care which team wins any given day... but hey, wont complain about extra free stuffs either^^

I dont really see where the french cruisers up to this point had any complexity whatsoever - just keep your distance, run and gun and you arent doing something catastrophically wrong at least, trollish spaced armour made them reasonably durable as well without requiring any kind of special positioning/angling to do its thing... And they were relatively bad at pushing in, so not even a particularly high skillcap/carry capacity. I'd say they were the most "boring"/bland cruiser line in the entire game up to this point. Which, by the way, isnt necessarily a bad thing - they are very solid ships at the same time... I'd be interested to hear where you see complexity in them... And the MGRB itself is a pretty decent solution to that - adds a layer of decisionmaking and skill, helps with clutch pushes, and at the same time it doesnt radically alter the power level of these ships. Why WG felt the need to nerf CM and StLouis to give them this, on the other hand, is a bit beyond me as well... it's not like they were dominating their tiers...

how does it win? errr... by literally having twice the DPM of a Hindenburger, for example? The Worcester, if he plays somewhat intelligently (which we can assume @OttoZander is going to), will never need to show even a sliver of broadside to the Hindi, and the Hindi can't do jack crap to control the engagement in any way. Concealment is a thing, you know... Same for the Moskva. Worcester easily gets enough warning before being in radar range to not show any broadside, and the HE DPM disparity again just isnt funny. Henri is even worse off because it doesnt have any relevant armour against IFHE spam, and unlike a Mino your AP doesnt overmatch. And good luck closing that gap in time for it to matter, even with Spoodbeest... Zao might have a shot simply due to its concealment and Alpha - he at least has options, and the unpredictable X-Factor of his torps that might get lucky... But please do play this, and maybe even post the replays! I'm curious how things will play out