Bladezfist

There is nothing slight about being all around better. Let alone just having much stronger amour.

Says the person who believes that the Arizona is similar to the new mexico where it has better armour, better guns, better range and better accuracy. I would not call that analysis, you just lumped them together without looking at their stats. But no, of course it's not that it is a better ship in almost every regard, it's just that the New Mexico is only being sailed by potatoes.

I have no idea what you are trying to do / prove. All I did was post stats. EDIT: Fine I'll bite, the Arizona is more than just a New Mexico with slightly higher alpha damage and more range, it also has more accuracy (0.3 higher sigma value) and it really cuts down on the RNG problem the other low tier BBs have, it has better armour than the New Mexico. It is a much better ship than the New Mexico.

I'm not arguing that German BBs are OP, I just don't think the US T6 is good.

I'm assuming that is sarcasm.

He hasn't played BBs on his NA alt and I'm sure that does effect it but still, double the damage. It's a bit much is all.

Belfast is not better than Fiji in my opinion. If you want an alternate playstyle then fine but the tools Fiji has are just as useful if not more so. I feel that the people who say it is OP are doing a disservice by not mentioning that the Fiji is also insanely strong.

The new mexico is Flamu's worst T6 BB, he does best in German ships at T7 (double the average damage of Colarado) and 8 (30% more damage)

Maybe it's just because the other T8 cruisers (Except Edinburgh and Atago) don't have as much survivability. It's Armour is amazing after playing the Edinburgh for a while, it can survive for a long time kiting Yamatos around at 15Km + while dishing out way more damage than with the other T8 cruisers. The survivability is just insane. My stats for T8 look like this: EDIT: After some additional thought I'm not sure the Kutuzov is OP. It's just super strong in the current meta, the same goes for the Minotaur and Neptune. If BBs did not dominate so much then radar cruisers would be able to safely take out these sneaky buggers.

That does sound like a case of bad luck to me, the Bayern and New Mexico can citadel the NM through the bow or broadside on.

I didn't make anything up, I do find them harder to fight in BBs and easier to fight as a cruiser or DD. They get destroyed by HE spam but don't act as if the armour on the T6 US BB is as good as not being citadelled especially for avergae players.

I don't have a problem with them, I was just trying to comfort OP as I also don't like fighting them in BBs. I love german BBs though as I mostly play cruisers and DDs and that superstructure size. Delicious.

Sure, I have not played much BB but my opinion on them still stands, I dislike fighting them as a BB and love fighting them otherwise.

Heh, it's a fun ship to play in so many different ways. I must say the chat abuse I receive whenever I do yolo a cap in one is always worth it. DDs absolutely hate you.

You should play more passively in the ship at the start of the game, got my first solo warrior in the Minotaur yesterday. You can win games in the late game so easily in that ship if you stay in smokes / behind islands at the start and support your DDs on one of the caps. Definitely should not be getting hit within the first 5 minutes at all.

Hmm that would be interesting to see, not sure if it can work for cruisers and DDs without reducing your fire chance by a percentage instead of just subtracting from it.

I seem to have no problem hitting the citadel of a New Mexico. I very rarely citadel a German BB, I know where to aim on the ships and don't attempt to hit the citadel unless at extreme range but find non german targets easiest to deal with when sailing a BB of another nation. On the other hand as a cruiser or DD I love facing German BBs, so much superstructure but the US BBs have that same weakness. The armour of the German BBs is much better than that of the US BBs in my experience.

Many many successful ambushes on BBs says otherwise. Plus experienced players are not your typical BB captain.

Kutuzov is the most OP ship they still sell imo. It's amazing at it's tier and amazing at tier 10, it does not rely on a good captain to be OP, all you need is a good position and a smoke charge. It's one of the few ships where I want to be hunted by a Yamato in.

Yes, HEAP (which was only really viable for BBs in his tests) definitely increases the damage potential of HE. Notser seemed to believe it was the most broken skill in the tree, instead of getting a citadel every now and then he was doing consistently high damage without having to find a non angled target to shoot at and was getting fires often. He had a mirror fight with a New Mexico and destroyed him by angling and using HEAP to negate the enemy New Mexico's angling. Of course you still have access to AP if you find someone who loves to sail broadside on. AP is more variable damage, depending on the angling of your target you do nothing or everything. HEAP is consistently high damage and negates any attempt by the enemy to angle away from you in order to take less damage.

As a BB I find the German BBs are a pain in the [edited]to fight, would also much prefer to be up against a US BB. I love facing the German BBs as a CA or DD though as the superstructure is massive although the US BBs are not that much better, not in comparison to the IJN line at least. The US BB line gets better at T8 where I believe you should have more success vs the Germans.

Yes but it means the BB has HE loaded all the time. So when a DD is spotted they do 5 - 7k salvos instead of 2 - 4k. We already see BBs who only fire HE, this skill just makes it so that any BB who does that will still do a lot of damage.

Watching Notser testing HEAP, it might be more broken than radar spotting. It allows BBs to wreck DDs and do consistent damage to BBs while completely negating angling, it doesn't save you, instead of AP doing 1 - 2k damage on an angled target you do 7k salvos.

Belfast is about as powerful as the Fiji (very) although you may prefer one over the other if you want to fight DDs or Cruisers. The Scharnhorst is a load of fun and makes me really want a full Battlecruiser line in the game.

Your captains keep their points, they are gifted as much exp as they need to keep their points. It has nothing to do with what skills you have picked.