MS_Surface
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Ah you're right... got that wrong. Haven't sleep yet. Been working and posting here all night. I better get some sleep. ;)
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Yes, it's true. You are right about that. Please watch post #51
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I didn't confirm that. Is the expert marskman skill the one that improves 155mm turrets? I don't really know the designations by heart. I recognize them better by Skill Tier or visually. If it is, well Atago really won't benefit from it. I remember i had that issue, i think, when i switched from Cleveland to Pensacola. I lost a bit of captains skills, but i end up liking the Pensacola 203mm better than the 155mm Cleveland. --- Just one thing, some people are saying how can i say stuff when i haven't tried some ships etc. Well i did try all stock ships (except CVs that i don't like to play) in closed beta.
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Didn't knew about the MM changes in Atago but i really don't expect the Mogami to be worst than Myoko, as it will be my next ship, when i raise the 8.8K credits (with Isokaze... because in Standard play i hardly make any credits with Fubuki)
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I did play more than 1.5K battles, i know by now most things that i should do and slow rotation will make your turrets useless until rotation is finished and 30 seconds is not really great. Especially if you have 12 second rotation on Atago with same skill. Wouldn't you agree?
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Captains like you are exceptions to the rule, not the rule. Just look at the cheer amount of Atagos in battles!
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I see what you mean but i said that to justify the fact that Atago, as a Premium ship, has a reason to be Premium. I guess the 155mm vs 203mm shell discussion will be endless, because it kind of depends on each captain tactics. The reason the numbers are like they are is the same for other Premium ships. Too many noobs playing it. If captains were forced to research all ships till the Tier of the Premium ships they want, stats would be so much better for Atago.
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If Expert Marksman gives you about 40% more rotation speed, Atago turrets would rotate in 12 seconds.... now i feel like buying Atago. What's the point of spamming 155mm HE 20km away? Even a CV will dodge it. Maybe you didn't gave Atago enough time or maybe you expected too much of it. Just saying
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That's a good point but you can't fire with the middle turret facing the front as it is at the same level as the first turret. The armor is weaker at specific places, not everywhere. I don't really know where. You must show me that skill that takes away 21.4 seconds to Mogami tower rotation. Anyway, you can't use skills in Atago? Does the Mogami gives you free xp like Atago? Do you have to retrain Captains? Does it gives you more credits? Atago is better. People just complain because they expected it to be MUCH better and it isn't. Did WG told captains that Atago had 155mm guns?? I don't mean you, you don't have it, but why buy it in the first place if you think 155mm is better? It's not cheap, do people buy ships without looking at it's specs or were they hidden at the time?
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Two morons (sorry i take that back it was impulsive as both of you shouldn't have started your posts like you did) Two captains that bought the Atago thinking it would be 10x better just because it's Premium. Now you find out that's not the way it works and you get frustrated. I don't know why on earth you would prefer 155mm if you can have 203mm. Because it's funny to have 6 rounds/m instead of 4?? It must be great taking 51.4 seconds to turn that turret instead 30. You spam a lot, you just don't do much. Remember i'm talking about fully upgraded Mogami. If you choose 203mm (obvious option for smart people with brains) the Atago has 3.8r/m and Mogami 4... yeah that's a huge difference... but still Atago is a bit better with 29 secs rotation instead of 30. Is it the range? Atago has 15.8km while Mogami has 15.1... The Mogami does have a bit better armour but Atago has 40100 HP instead of the 39.100 of the Mogami AA is 34 rating in Atago. Mogami is 38. Wait a minute is that it?? Atago is faster at 35.6 knots while Mogami is 35 knots Maybe is Manouverability? Nope. Atago is also better. So tell me, what is it that Mogami has so much better than Atago?? You know what? You should have checked specs before you bought the ship or did you bought it without having at least a look at the specs??? Edit: Ah! Did you even noticed that both of you have done as good with one ship as you did with the other??
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1 - Well you aren't really smart if you think i need to be Tier X and have all ships to post my opinion. You see, i may not have all the ships but i tried all classes up to a certain point. Then i went with CAs and DDs. I did that because i rarely play Premium. 2 - You were very fast looking at my stats but you should know that i have way more experience in this game than you do, i just don't spend as much money as you do. Please check number of battles. 3 - I might not be the best player but you only have those stats because you play a lot of CV while my stats come mainly from DDs and i do have reasonable stats with those. 4 - If you see the characteristics of both ships, you will be amazed to know that Atago was and still is a better ship than Mogami. 5 - You are really ignorant because if you check your own stats, you're doing WAY BETTER with the Atago than with the Mogami, how can you consider the Mogami better? 6 - Tier VIII DD is high tier. That is the main focus of my post. So please go try to flame elsewhere
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Atago is and always was better than Mogami. Des Moines vs Zao: I already said i got it wrong and stated that on my post. I never said IJN DDs were weaker than USN. I said the buff in USN DDs gives them more chances!
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Tier IV Wyoming cost 249000 XP and 20,6 million credits ?!
MS_Surface replied to Spruty's topic in General Discussion
I had an issue similar to yours but it was just displayed like that. I was told it could be cache issues. It will disappear if you restart the game i guess. You can always send a ticket. -
Well i searched a bit and looks like everyone has a different source for stats. Does Crysantos work for WG? I couldn't find anything that could connect him to WG nor anything saying they are official stats or that they are more accurate than others... Where are the sources for these stats? You can say what you want, but if you read my posts you will find that i agree that ship classes don't need to do the same damage. I understand why a CV would do more damage than a DD. What i think is that each class should receive compensation based on it's role. Bash me if you want but that makes sense to me. Captains like Sharana, that only play Premium and CVs are always happy with the system. That's why they don't want it changed. If DD players get rewarded for capping and spotting you will see him here crying like a baby.
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Sorry i meant to say Class not Tier (i guess u didn't understand when i said cruiser). Where are the Des Moines Capt. complaints? Every time a speak with a Des Moines Captain they are always happy with it, maybe i'm talking to the wrong Captains. Do you think Zao is better?? That's not what i ear, sorry. (Edit: i admit it is) Anyway i do feel a bit disappointed with you as what you have to say on my post. Is that all you have to say? ah and where are those stats where High Tier IJN DDs are doing well??
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Never understood very well that nerf. I never used 10km torps on Minekaze. Why would i launch 57knots torps, hoping to get lucky if i had 68knot/7km torps that did a much better job? When i'm not Premium i play a lot with Isokaze to earn credits and let me tell you. 3x2 torps with 8km - 68knots and amazing reload time at Tier IV is as OP as it gets. I bought that ship to compensate the fact that i couldn't earn credits in a Fubuki without Premium. So 2nd battle i played with Isokaze i got 5 ships. 2 days ago i sunk 8 ships (!?) in a random battle... think the Minekaze is OP? Think again eheh. But as i said, i'm waiting. The patch isn't out yet and i have some hope that they make my Fubuki enjoyable to play. I don't need it to be OP. Just not as frustrating as it is now.
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Sorry but you are completely wrong. The stats you are talking about are 7 monthes old... I got this wrong sorry According to current stats, Des Moines is the best Cruiser of the game in it's Tier by far. Atago is similar or better than Mogami in all aspects but the probability of burning. I do understand the repair kit. But the reason the Mogami is ahead in the stats is because Mogami Captains had to go through all cruisers before having the chance to use it. A lot (not all) of Atago captains download the game, buy Atago and go to tier VIII battles without a clue of what they are doing, and that is why Mogami is ahead on stats. Even in April this was written in the same stats link you posted about the Atago: "The Atago herd - beloved pinatas when I had to grind the Montana, famous for derping friendly ships with torps before the battle even started. But what is capable of? Average players seem to struggle with the power they have to handle, leading to inferior damage compared to the Mogami and even the New Orleans. The top 10% players are able to close in on the New Orleans damage-wise and the top 10 players are actually able to beat them - but the Mogami is still outperforming the Atago. conclusion: The Atago's power clearly scales with skill - the average player has his problems, but the better players are able to get decent results. If you know your cruiser gameplay this might be a nice buy and cashcow." I'm waiting to see but i was hoping to get some answer on what will WG do about "broken" gameplay in high tiers IJN DDs??
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Hi, just a suggestion. I wonder if it's possible to mess with the replay file to extract a 360º image of each frame? It would be necessary (i guess) to divide the replay into a determined number of frames where each frame is a 360º view of the battle. The really nice thing about this is that YouTubers could upload 360º degree replay videos on YouTube. That would be awesome! There's a guy who messed with a replay from some game and did that but i can't remember the guy name or the game. Facebook also support 360º videos on news feed now. I was hoping the WG programming staff could take a look at this idea. What do you think? For those who haven't seen 360º videos on YouTube here's a quick one from a real fighter jet in 4K (just drag the video with mouse) Thanks!
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I have to say this because either i am really bad at math or WG is charging for the crew meals. 1 - I am team killed seconds after battle begins. Team killer pays 78K fine, i pay 91K damage --- Is this a prize for team killers or 78=91? 2 - If i sink i pay 91K damage. If i have half damage (6300 dmg) i pay 52K --- 52+52=91?? 3 - I end the battle without a scratch, full HP --- I pay 13K damage --- Is this the crew meals or something? I hope you can explain this math otherwise i'm going back to school. Thanks
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You should always check how many players are currently in the server. I think the peak time at EU sever is around 23:00 then it starts to go down quickly. When it's 3 AM or so there's only like 2K players... there's really not much MM can do. It's more of a math limitation i guess. Maybe WG could just join players from different servers when servers are almost empty, but then again, that would be a database nightmare for WG developers. I got 4x4 ships MM and sometimes it's really fun, sometimes is really bad... You have a button to remove yourself from the queue anyway. If you see there's only a dozen ships matching your tier and class, you still have time to use that button or risk some crazy MM.
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What Were Your Greatest Gaming Achievements Today ?
MS_Surface replied to Hanszeehock's topic in General Discussion
I have the replay but i can't find a place to upload it like WoT Replays. It's from yesterday, not today, but i guess it was a nice battle. -
If i said without a scratch you must assume i didn't use any repair kit, beside it says Damage, not "cost of consummables". I'm not accounting for ammunition. That's another cost. Btw this example is of a Fubuki.
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can we have a tier 10 DD that is capable of
MS_Surface replied to anonym_gCiyicUsNYGl's topic in General Discussion
I think the problem with IJN DDs is credits and playing Premium or Standard. When i buy Premium time i can make progress and earn credits, when i'm not, well it's a bit too much on the hard side. This started at Tier VII but it gets much worse at Tier VIII. I currently play mostly with a Fubuki (51% wins with this ship). When i'm not Premium, sinking 2 ships/battle can give me from around 150K down to -10K(minus 10K, depending on hits, caps, etc). In a good game (not a great one) i earn a bit more than 100K. Ending with a considerable damage i pay for repairs about 40, 50 or 60K. If i sink i pay 91K. Most battles i end up earning 30K, 40K but sometimes i have one of those battles where i play really bad, don't do zip and sink. There goes the profit of 40 minutes of gameplay. When i'm Premium, hitting some shells is almost enough to give me a credit profit. Unless you are a DD God or play pc games way too much, i think the "free part" of the game ends at about tier VII or VIII (at least for IJN DDs). With Standard account, with 51% wins in Fubuki i can't really earn much credits. When i'm Premium i earn a lot of it. It doesn't help when a noob captain TK me with a torpedo after a few seconds of battle and then he's fined with 68K while i pay 91K damage. If he did all the damage, he should pay for all of it. If i pay 20K each time someone team kills me, i am being punished and the TK is rewarded with a special discount on his fine. Amazing. It also doesn't help that, sometimes, there's more than 70 enemy airplanes in the air... Having said that, i never had any problems with XP, in fact, i barely look at how much XP i have. By the time i have enough credits to buy the Kagero, i will have XP to research 3 of it. If you don't have Premium and can't make money with high tier DDs, my advice is to buy a Umikaze and milk it. With the experience you get from high tier DDs you will play like a boss. I tried it, got into a tier 2 battle and had a lot of fun. You won't get rich, but getting sunk is not a problem because it costs you 3K and you will constantly win 40K, 100K and you do have the bonus of remembering how enjoyable and crazy low tier DD gameplay is. If WG cuts the repair cost of high tier DDs, more than half of the complains for IJN high tier DDs being hard to play goes away. I would like some things to be different but in the end i can't complain, after all it's a free game and i only play or pay if i want it. While i like it i'll play it, when i stop liking it i will stop playing it. That's my opinion, cheers! Note: In statistics, "more ships sunk in a battle" i have the same values since Tier V or so. It doesn't update. It says 4 and i sunk 5 ships a few times. I already did it in 0.5.0.2 and still is the same. -
In this game you can choose between a number of ship classes. Naturally the CV is the one who should inflict more damage, then the BS, the CA and finally, the DD. I agree with this as it's supposed to be like that. In the real world, it was not different. The problem is the ridiculous reward system. Why would a CV player earn more XP and Credits than any other? CV players are better than other ship players? How much time will it take for a CV player to reach Tier X?? It's an instant, compared to a DD. Sure i can also play the CV but i don't like it so much, in fact, i don't give a heck about CVs but if i want to earn credits i feel like you are forcing me to play CV or BS... this is weird because CV players don't have to "use" other classes to earn credits xp. Instead of "Nerfing" and "Buffing", something that will never work for obvious reasons, you should use some kind of variable credit system. Imagine this: (i invented the stats): If CURRENT SERVER damage per class is distributed like this: 40% done by CV 30% done by BS 20% done by CA 10% done by DD WG could compensate by giving 10% more credits/xp to BS, 20% more credits/xp to CA and 30% more credits/xp to DD. This should work fine but WG will never do it because it would mean a decrease in doubloons sales. I remember a battle where i played really well, i disrupted an entire fleet, kept it from advancing, capped several times, than i was alone against 4 ships and got the victory. That game was MINE! I earned some flag i don't remember for being the last against 4 ships and win, but for WG my reward for good play was BEING THE LAST. This happens with DDs at different scales all the time. I'm getting bored of the game because of this and that's a shame because when i start to get bored i start to search other stuff to do really fast. Thanks
