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After reading a lot of complaints about the same stuff over and over i felt like sharing my opinion as well. Maybe influenced by the sentence "IJN Destroyers, rejoyce...", captains that say "buffs to DDs" are wrong say stuff like this: "and now, the shimakaze gonna be too OP, the kagero with 16km torps with 72knots and the torpedoes reload faster, omg we all gonna die, this will kill the balance" 1 - Torpedo Reload Booster - i can't think of one reason to loose the Smoke Screen in behalf of a one-time-per-battle faster torpedo reload speed. That's an option that won't change any balance at all as it's only for Hatsuharo and Kagero. Maybe i would take it as ONE faster reload in exchange for ONE smoke screen, but i'ts not like that i guess. 2 - The Torpedo Acceleration skill. Now the complains here are simply ridiculous. I believe some captains may have reasons to complain, the problem is they are complaining about the wrong ships. Kageros 12 or 15km, 16 or 20km range. The only factor that changes in this ranges is more km means more chances of getting luck or... not, thats about the only "advantage". The speed? Plus 5 knots? You worried that Kagero now has 72km/h torpedoes instead of 67? Really? if you think this is a problem don't get near the 81knots Zao torps. You should also be equally worried about Russian DDs because - being true they don't have the range - some have 75knots torpedoes. The game isn't only made of High Tier ships so other ships you really should be watching out are Isokazes (already a hyperOP ship) or Minekazes, now both capable of 6km range with 73knots torpedoes at Tier IV and V. I can only imagine a Umikaze with +-7km range torps at 53km/h with a 2.5 reload rate in Tier II... What about CVs? isn't it a buff to all CV torpedo bombers? Shouldn't BB or CA captains be more worried about +5knots on torps that are launched from planes at such small distances? It may be harder for torpedo bombers to get close to some ships now but if they do, their torpedoes will be faster than usual. I think the most benefited (in higher tiers) with the Torpedo Acceleration skill are US DDs, with 8km+ range, because they have really slow torpedoes and in this case i think it can make a difference. CAs with torpedoes can also benefit from this skill. Now on the "Now the Myoko is better than Mogami" movement, it's funny how Mogami captains agreed (a while ago) that the Mogami was such an OP ship, i was flamed to hell because i said the Atago was better than Mogami, so everyone came saying no way, Mogami rules, is so OP, it's on top of leaderboards, you are an idiot, whatever, so i accepted all of that. Now, with one single change in a freaking skill, looks like it became worse than a Myoko... Do you really think you had a really bad ship that was only good because of one captain skill? That couple or whatever missing kms in range "tranformed" the Mogami from "So OP, much better than Atago!" into "It's a really bad ship, worst than Myoko"? you might think that HE spamming from 18km is a good tactic but you are just fooling yourselves. In the end, you spent 10 minutes so focused on sucking a few K HP from a BB that you didn't even realize that a battle was going on. This also goes to some Cleveland captains that soon will learn that most of their effectivness isn't at 18km range. I don't think this is such a big nerf for these CAs. The ships are still very capable and effective, even without the long range random hits. The difference is that now some captains have to actually use more than one tactic in battle. Where's the rule that says that Mogami captains must have a better CA, did you forget that there are worse CAs and people don't complain about it? They just try to play with it. Last time i checked, Mogami wasn't supposed to be more "special" than other CAs. About BB captains that are always so afraid of High Tier IJN DDs. "Now i can't even one shot DDs! What have you done with dispersion?" - This one is real. "Torpedoes are too fast, it's impossible to dodge!" - Try not to put yourself in a situation where you have to dodge it in the first place. "Smoke favour DDs too much!" - Unless the smoke screen is saving your ship... "Now it's easier to get Last Stand! It's not fair, i can't hit them if they don't stand still!" - No comments "They can launch torpedoes from 20km! It's too easy for them, they don't have to get close!" - You try it champ Some of you High Tier BB captains must have this idea that getting hit "ocasionally" by a DD torpedo is something "unacceptable" when in reality, most of your problems are related to the fact that you don't like being tormented by the possibility of getting hit by a torpedo, for 20 minutes. You really really wanted all DDs to be visible, so you could take out your Montana, relax, light up a cigarrette and lay back on your chair while you do you damage but that's not the way it should work. If you have to spend an entire battle fearing DDs with your backs closed really tight then do it, it's part of the battle, just get on with it. That akward moment when some captain is insulting you and asking you for help at the same time: "That bloody DD took away 4K HP from my "without-a-scratch" BB with those torps! Help! There's a DD here! Somebody kill that freaking bug! Any DD that can help me?"... Most probably some other ship will end up sinking this BB but the only ship that comes to that captains mind is the freaking DD so he goes into the foruns and tries to finish the DD race, even though DDs must be the ships that sink BBs the less... (surely it must be BBs or CVs). When i play BB i worry about torpedo bombers, about other BBs and fleets of CAs with BBs. With DDs i always try to keep track of them and try to make sure i don't run into their possible torpedo paths. Sometimes i may get surprised by some nice DD manouver and get sunk but even there, most of the times, i would probably take a few torps and dodge the rest. From that moment on i have more than one minute to finish that DD and that's not a hard thing to do as you know. If i don't finish him, someone else will because DDs always get focused by everyone when they get detected. Even if he manages to launch another spread, he will probably miss because i'm alerted now. Usually this ends up with a DD sunk in seconds, or maybe he will get another set set of -10% repair expenses (that's one Flag DD captains have a lot...). I think WG will get it right with this update. Maybe the only players who have some reason to complain are US CV captains in Tier 8, 9 but there i can't really speak from experience with CVs because i have little experience with this class. This time i think WG did a lot of stuff that people asked before but you cannot expect instant action from WG, that's not how it works. I'm really glad that WG is not making gameplay changes based on the opinion of noobs or one individual. Don't get me wrong, i'm not upset. I'm just giving voice to my captains. They think that 90% of the time you can solve "your nerf issues" by learning different tactics and play better. Don't limit yourself to that "special skill" you like so much. If you start a battle thinking your ship sucks, that battle will never go right for you pretty much in the same way that a salesman that doesn't believe in his product will never sell it sucessfully. Sorry for the long post.

Just to add: When in Free Camera Mode - Cursor keys to move the camera horizontally - Keypad 7/9 - to move the camera up/down Center ship on screen and press B to follow that ship (you are not selecting it, just following it.) Instead of cursor keys, you can also use shift+(numpad 2,4,6,8) it may be easier this way to use numpad 7/9 (up/down) You can tell by the quality of this free cam that the founders have a video production background. Really nice work with that camera.

and it's always 500 doubloons, even if you already done 70% of retraining

I noticed you have a battle with kraken, high caliber, double strike and devastating strike with 6 frags, that must have been some epic battle. Nice playing!

You are replying to an older post i think, did you watch my post where i quote you? I'm just talking about stats with those who talk about stats, just in case you didn't noticed.

Come on, sure it's biased, it's meant to be like that. I said i was talking as a DD captain.Other captains defend the ships they have and balance things out. Every captain topic is always, or almost always biased. While i do agree with you in most of what you said i think you are forgeting one thing. The willingness of DD captains to use the Torpedo Speed Boost. I got a Kagero and i have 15 skill points. Getting skill points now is taking me forever, especially playing 99% of the time in Standard. Anyway, 67knots are very fast torpedoes. With 72kts i would hit 1 more torpedo every 20 launches or so? I'm sure there won't be any massacres because of this. If DD captains think they will hit a lot more torpedoes with +5kts, they will be really disappointed. I would use it if i didn't have to make some nasty trade-off. Right now i really wanted to see the new skill tree but i can't because, somehow, the public test server only accepted my login once, but adding to the fact that i don't think this is a relevant or game changing skill, i wonder how many Shimakaze or Kagero captains will use it instead of other crucial skills for a DD. It may not be better as you said, but i can't think of a way this can be such a game changer. I completely disagree with your opinion about CVs and this skill. It's obviously more important for a CV to have faster torpedoes. The lead is important to DDs, speed is important to CV torpedo bombers. The fact that torpedo bombers can launch torpedoes at less than 1km make the speed increase very important because it's all about reaction time. It's a much faster situation, torps are launched at that moment and before that you are already trying to find a good position in relation to the planes, so when they launch torps you have the time to dodge some. If torpedoes come fast enough, you will take them, because you will have less have time to react and they are already, at start, at less than 1km of your ship. If a DD launches torpedoes at 20km and the target is following the rules of "not getting hit by long range torps" he will probably dodge most, if not all torpedoes, wheter they come at 62, 67, or 72kts. It just doesn't happen a lot high tier DDs launching torpedoes at less than 1km... If some CV captain disagrees please say so. Just to make this clear, i'm not saying this will compensate possible nerfs on some CVs. However i think it's a good buff for them. Thanks for your reply Crysantos

I understand what you say but i really don't check OP stats to determine how valid is the argument, unless the OP uses those stats to prove some point. Your example is simply wrong. In this forum, i guess we are all WoWs players so your example doesn't really relate. I wouldn't trust the opinion of someone who never played this game, pretty much the same way you woulnd't ask a friend for some dental issues. You would ask a dentist. Now you now he's been a dentist for some time but you don't really now "the stats" of that dentist, do you? You ask that dentist because you know he has a "registered dentist account". If he's a good dentist or not, you really don't know. Anyway if you think "I can't trust this guy because he has bad stats" why would you take the time to even reply? If you reply anyway, at least, talk about the topic, not just some useless hate that won't help anyone. Your reply is a good example (i mean a positive ex.), you said that you disagree with me and you gave your opinion on the topic. I can accept that and i even appreciate it. Sometimes, i even change my opinions, i have no problem with doing it, no one is always right. I never said my opinion was more worthy than any other but it's my opinion and if some captain thinks it's not worthy, please don't waste time replying, especially with hate comments. The 100% WR was an example on how stats can be manipulated, I have ships with 0% that i can't even rebuy because they are not for sell anymore, so no matter how good i play. it will take me months just to change my WR 1%. You say with reason that the account i gave as an example is bad, yet you consider that having a few ships with 1 battle and 1 defeat with 0% everything is valid when defining the quality of my gameplay, despite the fact that those 0% are the reason my stats aren't so good. If you make your math, you'll see that my stats can be changed just by playing a few ships again. Now if i go seal clubbing with those ships, for a while in lower tiers and get my WR to 60% does that make me a better player? I don't think so. Just to end, let's not forget one thing. I didn't create this topic to say that i'm a great player neither i am trying to prove my quality. It's simply about the fact that some people are always complaining about the same, no matter what changes are introduced in the game. Thanks for your reply

I must have missed some missions that are no longer available... also i didn't share on Facebook. The most i can have now without CV is 231. I hope Monday there's new weekly missions with at least 30 pearls. It looks like the event is going slower now, Maybe it goes til the end of next week.

Look, i'm sorry for the stupid "brain" talk i really didn't mean that. I don't even know you and it was kind of offensive but look at your reply: "Grand post from someone with a sub-48% WR, a sub-1 K/D and less than 26k avg dmg/battle... In almost 2.8k battles... " I don't really know what kind of reaction you expected from me. If you didn't agree with topic, you could have just explained your reasons, if you didn't felt like doing so, you shouldn't have said nothing at all. I know you have experience, i've seen your stats and i also know about your participation in the forum, i guess that's one more reason to avoid replies like that. Now there's no way someone will convince me that only "nice stats" players can come post in the forum, whatever it is that you think about me. 100% is not impossible, you play one battle, win, you have 100%...unless i'm missing something (i do have an account with 4 battles and 100%...) Tks for replying

I trying to skip the CV mission, i wonder if i can have 260 pearls without CV missions. i need another 30 pearls i'm confident that new weekly missions will have that amount available without having to play CV but i'm not really sure of how it's going to be.

You can define a route for the ship in the map, using waypoints

I explained both already. I play Isokaze and Nagato the most (now) because stock Kagero doesn't "pay the rent" and i play standard. Don't worry when i play isokaze i don't need flags or a lor of captain skills and let me tell you. It's crazy fun. Playing lower tiers and then switching to a Tier X battle is like turning on super slow motion and the ships are much faster and please don't be ofended. If you where with me at a table and we were discussing the same thing, we would probabily be laughing, in the foruns people put a "nasty" face on the OP and then it's the same principle of road rage. tks for replying

Just a note. When i said i played for fun, it doesn't mean i do stupid things in battles. Having fun for me is not worrying about stats and try to play as a team player. Some captains are doing math in battle and basing their decisions on how much xp or credits they can earn or loose with each decision. That's not what i do. If i played those ships that have 2 battles 0 victories and some others with 10 battles with 5% wr and stuff like that, believe me my overall WR would change dramatically but the ships i play the most, even sinking 3 ships per battle, are changing WR, about 0.2 or 0.3% per week. I have 62% WR with that ship and a lot of battles (Isokaze) so it won't change a lot in overall WR but i'm sure if i changed one of those 0% ships to 62% it would influence overall WR a lot more. I also have a (almost new) Kagero with 19 battles, as soon as it's upgraded and captain retraining done, it won't be 26% like it is now. I think stats are nice but it can only be accurate for comparing on a especific ship. You can see what is the best captain of a especific ship. Even like that, you must define a minimum of battles. Still there's the question that it's not really fair for a captain that started to play more recently with a nerfed ship to be compared to a captain that started playing the same ship when it was buffed or OP. Some players play always on Premium, some only on standard, some play 99% standard and from time to time buy 1 or 3 days of Premium (my case)... all of that influences the stats. If you spend 100 euro on flags, that's better than any buff, if you start an account and buy a Tirpitz, sure you will have a good WR. You can't even create a decent leaderboard because if you check it, the best players only have 1 battle. I think i've been to some stats website where you could choose to only show captains with a defined number of battles but i don't remember. Now, just out of curiosity i'll buy one or two of those "WR messing" ships and have a few battles just to see the difference, to see if i'm right or wrong and i'll check back. ;) I have at this moment, 2479 battles and a "polemic" WR of 47.28% i'm buying Chikuma and Karlsruhe, both with 1 or 2 battles and 0% wins.

7 is you account level. I wouldn't worry too much about that. You don't have a Tier. Ships have a Tier but you can have as many ships as you want from any nation or Tier, as long as you research them (or buy Premium ship). If you're playing DDs. make sure you choose what's best for you. US DDs slow/small range torps nice guns IJN DDs fast/long range torps bad guns Russian DDs fast/small range torps nice guns fast ships US DDs are the most balanced. IJN DDs if torpedoes is your thing. Russian DDs if you want fast ships This is way too simplistic, there's other differences (like EsaTuunanen wrote), but you should see what type of DD gameplay suits you the best.

About the Facebook pearls. I read somewhere that Facebook pearls will be given upon completion of the event objective. Is it gonna be like this? Thanks

You don't have to say sorry for that! lol i know you meant "wrong" not "right". :-) Now you having a free reset but if you look top left in the captain skills section, you'll see how much it would have costed you (in Doubloons) to redistribute the points. That value increases as your skill points increase so think wisely before you redistribute them! Remember that while some skills are useless to some classes or ships others can be of vital importance for some ships. Cheers

I don't need to look at my stats to evaluate my experience in the game since i have a brain of my own. I see you can't do that by yourself. If i show you another account with 100% WR, 3.0 avg frags and 30k avg dmg will your brain accept me as a good player? I only have like 6 battles and i don't realy use it, but man, with these stats, who needs to play? I may just use it to post stuff here... People like you would say "Look! He must be right! Look at this stats!" I don't do "stats management". I don't intend to be the best player in the world. I play for fun, not for stats. I don't try out with other accounts to let the dirt out of some "show off" account. I could go and play a few battles with some ships that i have that are like 1 battle 0 victories 0% wr dmg frags etc and go to somewhere between 55 and 60 WR so that your brain would rest at ease but i won't do it. I rather have fun with ships i feel like playing instead of choosing them to "improve WR". I play mostly DDs but i often buy other ships (not Premium), i play a few battles, get bored, sell it to buy other, let go of it or keep it, you see, i really don't think of that, i don't care. Having 2.4K battles gives me some experience, no matter how "special" your brain is, and, unless you ask you mother for her "degree" when she's trying to make a point, you should know that experience in the game isn't determined by WR or DMG... you earn experience in the game by playing, getting involved in events, testing it, being interested, give your opinion on foruns, read the the news, etc. That's experience. but hey you think as you like, just make sure you don't play the wrong ships so that you don't mess with your WR. After all a man gotta keep an image isn't it?

You're appreciation is very limited you only base your opinions on WR. You have a big mouth but the only difference between our stats is that i don't care about leaving a few ships with 1 battle and 1 victory to have 100% and influence the WR... you're so smart. I really don't care about fake stats. In the ships that i play i do well enough. Even if i didn't, WR must be the most ignorant argument in this foruns and it's only used by the desperate. I hope you know that you are not being forced to be here. Especially since you're not bringing anything new. You you are a noob and feel ofended, deal with it or get lost. This is a freaking pc game I'm not wasting more of my time with you. Get a life little man.

Dasha Perova was born in Siberia.., This topic will be moved to "In Your Dreams" section

They didn't as far as i know. This is an older complaint. I'm explaining this but i don't really know if that was serious or just irony. Cheers

I said "complaints from noobs" you see? So there must be complaints from players that aren't noobs therefore these players are not included and stop putting words on my mouth. I didn't said that. Just think what you want. Thanks for taking the time to reply anyway.

i did look up "Poisoning the well" (didn't knew the expression or sentence as i speak other language) It would be poisoning the well if i said: "Useless Complaints From Noobs About DD "Buffs" and Mogamis... and if they say they aren't noobs don't believe them." This would be poisoning the well, from what i understand so i don't think it applies here. Why would i call everybody noobs anyway?

You know i grinded to Mogami and bought it, played a bit (like a noob) but had to sell it to buy another ship... (i'm always credit broke) but i really liked the ship and i will buy it again, nerfed or not. Looking at other options, i wanted to try Admiral Hipper but haven't grinded enough and New Orleans seems to be very weak. Since i'm already into torpedoes, it might just work for me (i'll post my success in this foruns or hide a possible fail...;)). Maybe the survivability multiplier would be a nice help, since it's a Tier 8 ship. One thing that i don't like is to see shells falling all over the place and Mogami having 119m dispersion at 15km is more than enough for me. About the citadel issues of this ship that i bet WG will do something about that since it seems to be a real issue. We'll see the 2nd phase of the public beta (if there's a second) what changes were made.

If you compare lower tiers gameplay with high tiers, there's a huge difference. No such thing as boring battles in lower tiers Playing more cautiously doens't mean lack of aggressiveness, there's a time for everything. No DD will stop a BB with an escort ship, if they have that iniciative. Sometimes is just like you say.

The problem with written messages is that it is the reader who decides the authors mood. This is not really a rant, maybe a small protest, whatever... The thing is some captains don't even think of the effect of a skill in other ships, they automatically mention Kageros and Shimakazes and say the same over and over instead of improving their game. The Mogami may be messed up now but if you had to put up with all the trash i had to because of that ship, maybe you would feel like saying the same. Remember this is my perspective and i don't expect everyone to be affected by it, only those who always limit themselves to the same complaints over the same ships, no matter what happens. Everything is kind off "clueless" when you can't understand it, isn't it? Even harder to understand if you skip it.