Gudgeon

You had two chances to win the Kami for free. You also had the chance to buy the ship in the store. They were available for all the player base for a certain time period. End of story. Being a closed Beta player, you were part of the player base when this ship was available. So, you want to nerf another ship deemed to be OP.....this game just gets worse with people complaining all the time. No ship is so OP it dominates all others. It is mainly a question of people being skilled enough to use the ship to its potential and the enemy not playing with any coherency or common sense to counter the said OP ship. Yes I have a kami and you know what, all the BB's I sink in it must have jammed rudders and sail in straight lines. I'll be honest, playing the ship gets boring after a couple of battles and it stays in port for a few weeks, until I am in the mood again. Let me tell you what is the biggest OP class in the game is....YES IT IS BB's. They have made playing cruisers a living misery at mid tiers. And they can one slavo DD's, if they are spotted. You want to nerf a big threat to BB's, that is all this whinge is about. Hang on, practically 50% of your battles are BB's.......oh hang on, closed beta with a Gremyashchyc......lol.....do you want to nerf the MOST OP DD in the game tier for tier.....that you own......your most played DD...lol...no?

Even an OP ship is not immune to teamwork. Don't solo. Or play a DD and torpedo them. If you don't like tier 4 play (it is by far the best tier to play for balance) wait until you play tier's 5, 6, 8. That will get your jimmies rustled. You will experience the +2 matchmaker.

Gotta love a Sunday morning defeat, where you work your backside off...... and a quiet Sunday afternoon clubbing session......I look at it as 'education' and plus my AA was hungry and the CV's kept feeding me planes.....

Using my experience in the game, I would avoid any cruiser whatsoever at Tier 5, 6 and 8, unless you like being F$%Ked over by the matchmaker. Destroyer wise, the Leningrad is an option, possibly the Blys. I would avoid the Anshan and Lo Yang, as these are the only ships you can grind a captain in, no silver ship available (at the minute). Only buy one of these if you are happy to put a lot of time into the captain. The captains are not interchangeable between ships, as one ship needs gun turnaround skill on the captain while the other does not, for example. Arizona will suffer tier 8 Match maker, but I can recommend. The Tirpitz with a maxed out captain is good. Alabama is good also with a maxed captain.

This ship represents how all CV's should be implemented.....

Well the Gremy is still THE ship of the mid tiers actually, it does not care if the MM makes it a tier 7. So, the Albert is banned, but here we are folks, it is on offer for a last time.......kerrchinng...... This is actually a ship that might teach low tier newbies the art of angling and maneuvering against an enemy, but there you go. I have only done a few handful of battles in mine since I got it months and months ago, I must be missing something.....it must go on my seal club rotation of Imperator, Itzystratchy, V-170, Kami and Gremmy. I do this when the MM gives me the middle finger and puts me bottom tier five matches in a row.

yes, and the pro players are the ones I suspect WANT to play this way 'as it is tactics'.......I suspect they have not complained, so why change smoke, WG? Everyone is happy already. If a smoke meta exists in ranked, it is not a problem to me, I just don't play ranked. If a smoke cruiser smokes up 10Km from your precious BB, sail away from the smoke.....simple. If it is a AP only RN smoke cruiser, sail away and angle.....simple. The only problem occurs if the BB player has adopted the 'I park bow on like all the pro's' tactic, as your poor little BB gets focused and burned to the ground in one minute, as it takes a little while to get some momentum...... WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE WG? SCUMBAG CRUISERS SINKING YOUR CASH COW BB PLAYERS? HOW DARE THEY. WHAT GETS NERFED NEXT? DD PLAYERS SINKING BB's? OH YOU DID THAT TO THE KHABBA ALREADY.......yes we have twenty khabba's per game, it was hell.......lol Funnily enough, if I can smoke a BB in a strong position, I will, as it might be an action to help win the game. I want to win, that is it. You are taking this option away from me. The game will become even more selfish (if that is possible) and the camping will be even worse, as a large proportion of BB players think that surviving is a win, regardless of the actual match result. There you go, the biggest problem in this game is a lack of team play and player mentality. Two things you are powerless to buff.

It is a flag, That is it. Thanks. Someone might notice it one day. I am not mad enough to grind my ar$3 off for a flag. Well done to anyone who did. I ground my ar$e off for a Jolly Roger once....once is enough after the last ranked season.

My Kutuzov is actually a tier 10 ship these days........that is an indirect nerf by match maker

The random battles I get chucked into in a given week, I think I can count on one hand how often battleships are smoked up.....they are normally miles behind the DD's so it is not possible. Team play rarely exists for 80% of random players, or have you not noticed? That is the real problem in this game...a lack of teamplay. Players still moan about the meta, even when they have no inclination to help themselves and team up with their random teammates.

As stated, overall, the smoke problem only exists in ranked and team battles..........and the king of the sea battles involve more camping the than the Scouts and are as dull as ditch water. Why mess around with the game for the sake of ranked and team battles? We all know ranked is a busted flush and team battles....... You do realize WG, that after the smoke change, it will be apparent that BB's in smoke are not the biggest problem in the game......you will have to nerf islands next, to remove another hiding place (or only use the open water map on heavy rotation) plus reduce the size of the maps to the size of a postage stamp, to get rid of the camping at the back.... Proposed AP/HE changes...what is the problem with AP/HE? I have not come across a problem. Even in my BB's. Do you want me to grind out the RN Battleship line plus chuck money in for captain retaining etc, only for the 'unique skills ' of magic heal and crazy fire chance to be literally smashed by the nerf bat around Jan/Feb? I cannot help but be very cynical now with this constant tinkering of the game. Keep your deep water torpedo's. Any cruiser getting torpedo'ed only has himself to blame, so please don't paint this as a buff to cruisers and dd's and a nerf to BB's. I don't need deep water torpedo's to sink BB's, I can do it with what is in game already, thanks. I will probably concentrate on doing it at tiers 3, 4 and 5, where the average BB player skill allows me to launch them so close, I can pick which port hole they are going through. It is quite enjoyable and therapeutic. How about buffing other ship classes to increase competitiveness with battleships, NOT CONSTANTLY NERFING EVERYTHING BAR BB's!

Most of your posts involve arguing with people and being cocky. A meme will be the reply now I guess. You sound like a knowledgeable guy, how about using this thread to come up with suggestions/idea's, as hopefully the creator of the thread can feedback our thoughts back into wargaming (not that they will 100% listen)? So, you don't like 'twitch shooters'. What is your suggestion for making cruisers more survivable against battleship RNG then? Kiting is the only option. Smoke on RN CL's was the other. Harder to hit cruisers mean that battleships may shoot battleships first, instead of wasting salvo's on harder to hit targets. BTW this re-balance could potentially kill all cruiser play in this game and convert it to world of battleships and torpedo DD's. That will be a fun and interesting game.

I agree in principle on stopping BB's being smoked up and all the camping nonsense that goes with this tactic. Although, in random battles, how often do regular players have the thought to smoke someone except themselves? I cannot play as a camping BB, it just seems such a crap tactic in any case, so this change will not alter my play. I will be interested to see how my RN cruisers and Mikhael Kutz cope with this. Again it may not be a problem, as all most DD's are detected around 5.9KM and greater anyway, so they have to charge the smoke to detect you if you activate smoke when they are greater than 5.9km away. I think the game is at a cross roads, and one bad balance change with this proposal could kill the game stone dead for a large percentage of the player base. I enjoy this game, so I really hope you get this one right, game developers. I still think that buffing cruiser rudder speeds across the board and decreasing torpedo reload times on DD's by a small margin would help alleviate the BB camping and sniping of cruisers. We need balanced battles with DD's CA's, BB's and dare I say it, CV's too. If the smoke punishes RN cruisers, then please consider remodeling the gun philosophy of this line and adding some Armour. So, DD's could actually lay a long smoke screen for ships to hide behind, not in. Clever DD players will assess the position of the enemy and lay a smoke in such a position to hide a ship/ships....multiple DD's could actually work as a team and lay smoke cleverly to screen the fleet and then go spot. I am interested how this change will affect game play.

Thank you for bringing up this topic with a good example. I am sick and tired of being smashed by BB AP in my DD. It is crazy how accurate BB guns suddenly get against small targets, all in the name of RNG. When sailing a BB you can seriously damage a destroyer at range, but shooting a larger target, you think all you shots are on it, only to get one or two hits for low damage........RNG strikes again as the shell dispersion very high.....

Sorry you have lost me.........but I do my dishes by hand anyway as I am not lazy.

Try a noob in an Enterprise doing 26K in 5 bomb hits on my Zao in one strike. What an addition to the game. Not only do you get shat on by BB's in cruisers, they put that piece of crap into the game. Max AA on the Zao now then. And playing smarter by not being too far from camping battleships. To the OP, my tip, get an V-170 and/or a Clemson and practice with these DD's. Get a Minekaze. Learn how to play to your detection range and torp noob BB players to hell. Farm their tears. Once they put some money in, they will be the BB players at back of the map in their T10 BB. Still sailing straight or parked bow on. Get a 10 point captain with concealment for the V-170 and Minekaze. To any new players, skip through T1-T3 (St Louis is a giggle) and learn your craft at tier 4. Tier 5 is a crap fest that will put you in with tier 7's. This is where Wargaming create the next batch of BB campers. Don't be them, learn DD's. Tier 6 is a crap fest that will put you in with Tier 8's constantly. Unless in a Fuso/New Mex/Bayern/ or a DD, forget it. Tier 7 is pretty good, all ship classes good. You will get tier 8-9's sometimes but generally I think tier 7 is the fairest tier in MM terms. Tier 8 is tier 9-10. Avoid playing cruisers at Tier 8 unless you are a Masochist. You will be crapped on by BB's and all the higher tier cruisers with reload modules and/or fitted with rail guns. Tier 9 is tier 10, but tier 9 ships are basically slightly downgraded tier 10's and can compete. There you go, the game in a nutshell. Yes, I am dissatisfied with the direction this game is heading.

Last in game purchase for me, have enough prem time to grind RN BB's, gold stocked from sales to boost free XP. After this, no more money from me. There are no future lines/premiums being added that will be of interest to me. I cam play for fun and that is it. Someone else can pay for the servers after this.

Here is my ranked season encapsulated in one picture: It has been the most unrewarding and frustrating experience to be honest. I have only stuck at it as I have been in the rank 2-4 bracket for the last week. I have reached rank 2-4 twice. Now at 3-0....

yeah, camping at 33 kt's, trying to smoke the blob, with a DD on either flank, also trying to spot the enemy and also hunt two dd's......and getting trolled by you.

This ranked season is just terrible. I though that season 6 (Tier 7) was bad enough, but the camping meta in tier 6 is worse than terrible. The battles are just deadlock, camp, camp, camp and first player to push and be spotted is killed. This is not even tactical. It is downright boring. I am sick of seeing battleships shunting backwards and forwards from behind an island. It is ridiculous that a 'naval game' involves hiding behind islands. The tier 6 destroyers are also pretty toothless generally as trying to torpedo a battleship nose on from below 8KM is nearly suicidal if the enemy dd's have the sense to act as a screen and spot. Yes the IJN have 10KM torps, but it take a few volleys of single hits to sink a BB. Overall, ranked really shows how broken this game is. Dare I say it, playing this season on the open water ocean map might actually improve game play dramatically and eliminate the camp behind island+smoke mentality brought to us by omni in their team battles. This game might as well be world of (water) tanks. Perhaps WG should release an amphibious tank (duplex drive Sherman for instance) and be done with it. Ranked is Total .... .

It is simple. Reduce, across the board, all tiers, the gun accuracy of all Battleships. This will reduce the chance of getting citadel hits on cruisers above 12km. It will also force BB players who insist on sniping from long range to actually close the range of their engagements and 'persuade' them that their most efficient option is shoot at another battleship for a better change of causing damage per salvo, as it is a bigger target. Another option is to increase the maneuverability of cruisers across all tiers. Finally, reduce the rewards for a losing team. Lots of teams I have the misfortune to lose with actually deserve no reward at all. This might force people to play the game and use their brain and play as a team.

So, £30 of doubloons, £30 for the ship and £25 for modules/flags of which the benefit you receive is heavily dependent on your team.... . I did think I needed the gold for the the future, and I really wanted the Hood, but looking at the prices of the bundles I'm afraid the top one is £25 overpriced for me. The overpricing will also apply to the lower priced bundles.....I don't want to pay for flags (nice as their bonuses are) or modules/upgrades that I have in game credits I can use to purchase. I do not wish to buy success in the Hunt the Bismarck mission either by gaining a zillion pins for 10 minutes effort in the Hood. I have waited patiently for the Royal Navy lines to arrive and the Warspite was the first premium I bought. I'm not sure I am as bothered as I was about this game after this nonsense. A total anti-climax. To be honest, to have the ship bundles tied in with a mission that gets me some nice flags, camo's for the Bismarck (a ship that I don't need as I have a Tirpitz, now with the same secondaries and premium benefits) , skins for the Hood, a free Bismarck, aided by a lot of real money, I now feel as if I cannot be bothered with the mission. The fact that fans of this game am being made to wait to buy the Hood as a single item is a very poor decision for player/game developer relations. Is £30 not enough money for basically buying a permanent subscription to play a pixel ship and just skip the bundle nonsense and keep everyone happy?

Ultimately, the questions you must ask yourself is, do I need 9000 gold (for the future), do I want the Hood and do the Flags get me further in the game over buying premium time? Until I know the price, it is impossible to judge the answer to the gold and the flags. I looked at the top Duca bundle and it was a total rip off when you individually cost the ship and the gold.

I am interested in the T6 RN dd (because it is RN........probably come out in a big bundle....) and possibly a premium CV. As for the rest, got a Fletcher so I don't need a crappy version for real money and although the Russian Nuremberg will probably have Donskoi guns, 10KM range 76 knot torpedo's and a 1 second rudder shift, I'll skip that one too. I had already decided that the Hood was pretty much the last money I wanted to put into the game, this bundle leaves a bit of a bad taste. I really just need to grind out some T9's and have enough cash to buy three T10's and then all I need to do is bump along and break even to keep playing the game. No money grind needed.

If the bundle costs around £90 then surely anyone contemplating buying it should consider the other tier 9 BB available (WG matchmaker = ship tier + 2 for 60% of games) and buy gold and convert to free XP to get the USS Missouri? My tier 9 ships are gonna love meeting the Hood.