ghostbuster_

Very easy to play, long range, very fast and stealth torpedos. Requires no skill. Those are reasons why people choose that ship. Edit: And very easy to get tier X. Because capping gives really good exp.

Welcome to top tiers. You can see that every day and very often.

affecting game doesnt mean winning all the battles.

are you tring to piss me off? why did i say "damage doesnt matter"? people were caliming that dds are not dominating the sea by showing their avarage damage as an excuse. and i said "damage they do, doesnt matter. they affect the gameplay soo much." so what you should understand is: think a dd. it deals only 5-6k damage in a battle but it can affect the game more than a bb which deals 100k damage. this discussion was closed. then a guy said "torpedos doesnt deal much damage" and i said "its 20k its too much". as you see they are not contras to each other. with the first statement im trying to say dds affect the gameplay even without dealing any damage. dd team play is not equal to teamplay. stop acting like there are only dds. i also gave an example where i cooperated with an other dd. and it was not at the beginning of the battle. 12 ships 6 of them are dds. lets say in each team. 12 dds. battle starts. go and try to play as a team. go on. after there are few ships left you can maybe show a real team play. but as long as the dds are alive, you cant do it.shima is not OP indeed. 4 shimas together in a team is OP. if you cant see that difference, you are even more [edited] than i though. my problem is only with amount of dds per team. yes i told you this many many times. people can have different opinions. but you dont have any f*cking idea about top tier gameplay. but you are still talking about it. let the people who actually knows about the topic speak here and disagree with me. if you want that much you can follow this thread. but like i always do i will suggest you to go and play on your own playground.

you are [edited] to understand, arent you? "its not about damage" dds affect the game from many aspects. damage is only one of them.- a guy statted that dds deal not much damage. i told him the damage one single torpedo deals. and its too much.- seriously? i said, cap dds= more room to sneak around. whats wrong? you are really a ... i also expalind that one. look, that many dds= more RNG. every one lauchs torps, luck ones sink enemy dds. thats it. Is this fun for dds? hell no. - that many dds. try to spot them go on. even with a dd you have huge chance to get torps. that many dds, CAs stay back, BBs dont sit like before but they camp further back. is that team play? - that ambush was a dd teamplay. if i remeber right example i gave. and no everyone is free to talk. but empty words are annoying. if you dont know about something, it doesnt make any sence. and thats exactly what you do. about tirpitz. no it wont. we had that times before when tirpitz first came out. like 8 tirpitzes in one team but it was much more playable than the current situation. like i said many times. dds and cvs affect the game more than cas and bbs.

it is so [edited] easy to play mate. stay undetected, spam torps.

so the people who agrees with you, oh sorry they cant agre with you because you dont have your own idea about top tiers. ok so that people, that you agreed with are right and they know everything better than anyone else? i keep writing in this thread because i play top tiers and i get that kind of battles everyday. 20 mins of crap. anyways everyone knows you here. you and few other guys are know as ... never mind.

it depends always on the stiuation. anyways, so what are you tring to do with that ridiculous discussion?

i already told you why people are complaining about cvs. i played ranger and lexi. they are fine. dive bombers are just great. its annoying to get questions which are already answered. if you read some old posts you will find your answers. it is already discussed why there should be a cap for dds. your stupid questions annoys me only. if you want to know that much about topic, get a ship and play it. I can get also good games with too many dds in enemy team. but they are not fun. and the opposite can happen too. i can get terrible battles without any dds in enemy team. but those are fun. less camping, more action. if you noticed im not rude to anyone exept you and 2 other guys. (i dont mean zombie and mtm).

yes but hearing the questions, which were already answered in this thread or in another one, is a little bit anoyying and unnecessary. Cap will bring the dynamic gameplay back. people wont camp. battles wont be boring as hell. your suggestions were buffs and nerfs. they would only cause other problems. CVs are a perfet example for that. they buffed them and they were really really too strong. then they nerfed them. they are not weak atm but players are used to have those too strong CVs. they stoped to play them and there is a lack of CVs. you can also see that caping cvs balanced the gameplay. i had battles with one or 2 dds in each team. and there were nobody camping. everybody were tring to push. they were really fun.

by playing it right. by doing the necessary thing. i guess you are another damage [edited] who only focuses on dealing damage.

look now for low tiers: everthing is just fine. no need to do anything because its ok to have too many dds. its is not broken. there are counters to them. for top tiers: Torps deal massive damage. one torp is deals nearly 20k damage. dds are OP or UP doesnt matter. there are just too many. thats why im asking for cap. if i though that dds are OP, i would ask for a nerf. its is broken. can you understand this? have you been in a battle with 8 f*cking dds? everyone is camping. dds spaming long range torps. luck ones get torpedo hits on enemy dds. and the rest of the team should only dodge torps. because they have nothing else to do! Are you f*cking kidding me? i said damage is not a factor for choosing ships. you pick ships only to have fun and win. yamato deals huge amount of damage, he can also get lots of damage but if there are too many dds its is just pointless. so people pick an other ship. I dont want a tier X ca kills 3 tier X dds. no! more dds are bad for everyone. thats why it breaks the gameplay. im asking for cap because it is unplayable right now. still no. more than 3 maybe 4 dds are just broken. do you know what happens for example 5/6 IJP dds against 5/6 IJP dds? They are torping randomly and looking for torpedo hits. we have been writing the reasons for pages, in this thread and in others. so im really tired of writing all of the reasons. if you want answers, go read the old posts. and like i everytime say, play it yourself instead of asking people questions.

why are you playing this game? to deal damage or to have fun? im playing it for fun. and i would enjoy it with umikaze but i dont want to troll anyone. because i hate people who make troll divs.

well with tier 5 murmansk i would enjoy any battle if he still had the range. no im not gonna go with a troll div.

it is nerfed dont buy it. dont waste your money for this ship.

its already known that developers is not very successful at fixing things in this game.

mtm has already said, umikaze is fun in tier X battles. i also enjoy my tirpitz, atago, lexi in tier X battles. i was also having fun with fubuki in those battles too. before new patch playing murmansk was fun against tier 7s-8s. do you want me to continue?

im NOT asking this for anyone! Not bbs not cas not dds not cvs. is it clear enough? no buffs no nerfs only cap for dds. it was tier 4-5 battle. the problem is in top tiers. i have been saying this all the time. again it was tier 4-5 battle. edit: low tier is just fine. the problem is at top tiers.

I am not asking this for CAs at top tier. im also not asking for any nerfs or any buffs. im only asking for cap for dds. how i got them at the same area? actually this happened several times. once there was a dd div in enemy team alive. i was with my murmansk and i have a bb in my team. so those guys killed the bb. (minekaze minekaze, isokaze) i chased them and killed them one by one. this is also answer to your second question. and why should cap to dds affect the low tier gameplay badly? they will also have more room to sneak around. less dd=less chance to get spotted.

well if you think so, there is nothing i can do for you... yeah avoid/absorb damage yeah

there are no lack of CAs i want to say this first. yes they can not. because with that many dds its not possible. they spotted one dd or 2 and the 3th one flanks the ca and dead. look again. you think everything is same with low tier gameplay. it is not! can you please understand this. what you see in low tier battles, dont happen in top tier battles. i can handle 3-4 dds alone with my murmansk but there is no way to do that in top tiers. if dds were capped with 3 for example, there would be less danger for each dd player. they can move more freely, prepair ambush attacks... CAs can support their spotting dds and bbs can just give support to CAs. "However, if you grind to those top tiers expecting one thing and find you get something completely different I can understand the frustration" i got my tier X long ago and the gameplay was not that much broken. so what you said here, didnt happen to me. i saw how wg created this crap.

in ship choice there are only 2 major factors. having fun, winning the battle. its not always damage, which is needed for victory.

indeed yes. i am not asking for deleting dds rom the game. we need them too like you said. but 5-6 is too many.

yes it is the fear. it is really easy to delete a ship with a dd. yamato needs 9 torps, montana needs 7 and tier X cas need only 3 torp. even a dd cannot dodge torps if there are 6-7 dds in enemy team. random torpedos are every where. and thats why there cannot be a teamplay. dds are not scouting, cas are staying at distance, bbs camping. and this leads us to a broken game. do we want to have such battles? i had few battles with 1 or 2 dds in each team and they were really fun and dynamic.( i was with my ca) "6 vs 6 dds let them fight and see which side wins" this is not a dd game. there are also other 3 classes. ok cvs are rare but what about other 2. and it is nearly pure RNG in those battles. every dd lauchs random torps, gets lucky hits on enemy dds, sink them with pure rng torpedos. in low tiers, 6 dd vs 6 dd is not a problem. because in those battles cas can actually support their dds. and bbs support their cas. (not everytime thou. there are [editeds] everywhere.) btw i just realized. a guy claimed that cas cannot support dds in top tiers because of the enemy bbs. its bullsh*t. in low tier its easier for a bb to one shoot a ca but in those tiers you can hunt the enemy dds with your ca. so the problem is not bbs one shooting cas. its the dds.

You are asking wrong question. If you think that ships can olny affect the game with damage they do, you have no idea about this game. And about team play, You can play as a team against 2-3 dds but try this agains 6 dds. Simple, it doesnt work! Of course im talkin about top tiers. Its easy to counter dds below tier 8.