ghostbuster_

Today played my atago and got 12+ fires per game. So nothimg has changed.

i tried other dds. the only dd that i liked was kiev. but it was before it got nerf. i wouldnt play any dds, if there wanst any dd problem. i grinded for shimakaze because like you said, it has a huge damage potential without getting in danger. so for me, this means a easy ship to play.

top tier DDs should be capped. not only shimas. how about the shimas in the losing team? there are also shimas, which lose battles. and many times said, dealing damage is only one factor. there are many other factors which causes to break the game because of that ridiculous number of dds per team. yes it can do damage easly. you dont have to think about leading your torpedos, you dont have to try for angling your ship, the ship you are attacking on can not return fire to you, you dont get shoots from other enemies. its a pretty easy way to deal damage. Shima has the biggest damage potential in this game. i havent see any other ship who can one shoot tier x bbs. so it hurts more than any other ship. as i said you are posting like a troll and i cant stand any more. you re asking questions, you get answers but you dont believe the people who answers your questions just because you dont like what he says. its simple enough, play it yourself. understand the current situation. then you wouldnt be anoying.

so those are the posts you quote. "they CAN hurt you", "they CAN deal incredible amount of damage" those are the same statements. both means the potential of the ship. its capable of dealine huge amounts of damage with less effort. That doesssnt mean it deals huge amount of damage all the time. what the hell the topic is about numbers of dds per team. why are we even talking the damage they deal!

with the statement "shima can do incredible amount of damage" he means the potential of the ship. he didnt say he deals huge amount of damage everytime. yes because you are just [edited] and i cant hold myself anymore. you may thank god "....". Edit: "..." part was too much.

omg! he didnt mean this you are a [edited]

lol everyone got my point but like i said to understand the point you have to spot thinking with your *ss. so now go and play your tier 5s and make comments about them. if you dont believe what is explained here about top tiers, play it yourself. there are sayings in my native language which fits you perfect but never mind.

ok the report "misbehaviour in chat" works well. but how about the "plays poorly" option? why is there no punishment for this? there are people who has no idea about the game but playing top tiers already, and ruining it. if there is a punishment for one report option, there should be also some punishments for others options.

what about discussing on a voice chat programm? i can give you the adress and i can explain everything better to you. maybe i can make you understand the current situation. im still claiming what i said. dont cherry pick to understand with your *ss. and i also expalined what i mean with all of them two times. you couldnt get it. lets try with voice chat. maybe your issue is with reading. some people can understand better by reading some of them by listening.

there are lot of people who can teach you something. why going that way back? not long ago. nearly 2 months ago, before the first torpedo concealment buff. there were no problems. of course there were ca players who was crying about getting citadeled by bbs (poor guys who shows broadside to bbs long enough). like i said those whiners had common feature, bad stats with cas. i have never seen a good ca player crying about bbs. bb-ca balance is good atm. remember the situation before the game release. nearly every shot was a citadel. so you gave an example and its my turn. i remember a perfect battle. it was even before 5.3. i was in my kagero on map "two brothers". i had a team who wanted to make a lemming train to right flank. i was at left flank with a friendly ca. and we had 2 zaos and a bb against us. they killed my friendly ca really fast. then i managed to kill the bb and i didnt let the zaos push the left flank. i got couple torpedo hits on them. they fall back and i managed to kill one of them. the other one ran away towatds their cap and killed by my teammates. there were no friendly bbs supporting me. according to your logic they should able to push that flank. but they couldnt. i also got situations like that in my cas. random torpedos from 6-7 dds. dodge one of them, get one hit from second salvo or just die. an other situation, try to dodge torps, sho broadside to enemy, and die.

First targets are dds for any class. than after that cas. and than bbs. thats a general statement. bt it can depend on the current situation. i would also shoot ca first of course. for example: if i see a bb showing its broadside to dodge torpedos, i would take a shoot to him. i said "juicy targets", not "first targets" those dont mean the same thing. hahahaha. lol really. ok ask any player. which one they would prefer. des moines or montana. seriously try to learn something. if you need names i can give you some. btw feel free to check my profile. edit: anyways, stay at the topic. bbs and cas are out of it.

say hello to noob cv players in tier 7-8 battles. there were enough of them, now we will even get more of them.

go and read them again then. you cherry pick some sentencess from my examples and get them together. "ooh you said that. oo you contradct with yourself." only you understand things with your *ss. and if you dont believe us here, try it yourself. [edited] only talking without having any idea.

i have the montana (you meant it with better aa i guess) and des moines. you can be sure, des moines is way better than montana at shooting planes down. how about avoiding them? ca can avoid them but bb cant. with that aa skiil cas are way better against cvs than bbs. its not a discussion topic. i heard for first time from you and that made me laugh. for bbs the most juicy target is other bbs. not the cas. cas are mobile enough to avoid shells from bbs. and if you made cas stronger, there would be no need for bbs in game. like i said many times, buffing or nerfing a class is the reason why we are getting those problems. BB population would go down. after that bbs would get buff they would become very strong. and after that more buffs, more nerfs. it would go on like that. that dd crap happened after those torpedo buffs and rudder nerfs. if there werent any of those buffs, we wouldnt have that crap battles with 6-7 dds. and i have never heard something about cas are too weak against bbs from good ca players. all complainers have a common feature: bad stats with cas. i know also few people who quit this game because they werent payying attention to minimap and didnt noticed that they are broadsiding to bbs and got citadeled. so i suggest you to watch some videos on youtube. there are good players who explain how to play a ship class properly.

Get a tier x ship and try yourself you [edited].

Can you understand that I DON'T care about the effectiveness ingame... Just look at the players that play the class. There is always a good proportion of players that just want to win... Those move between classes but there is also a good proportion of players that just LIKE TO PLAY in a given way, if the game doesn't fullfill that way to play you simply do not play it any longer. ...Analyze yourself, you have played BB -> CA -> DD? Why?... Don't answer it's just rethorical... You have certain individual tastes... And you perceive the ammount of DDs as an anoyance for your prefered gameplay... ...Is that hard to mirror to understand that a DD player ALSO want to play and not been doomed to ethernal queue times like CVs suffered until they population was killed? That's WG dilemma... A dilemma they jumped into by almost removing the 4th class on a game designed at its roots with 4 in mind... ...Returning to your concerns, indeed ingame performance matters to that proportion of the playerbase that don't mind "moving" to follow current FOTM... ...The problem are players, like you and me, that with independence of current state, prefer a given class by the way it plays. i started ith bbs in OBT. i liked them. than i as bored and wanted to try CAs. after that ridiculous buffs and after the increase in dd population, i didnt want to suffer with my big ships and started to play the easiest class in this game. its not only me . that is what you dont understand. there are lots of people who thinks that there is a problem. so everyone else must suffer, dd players not to be "doomed" nice way to think.

"bbs are better than cas against cvs" seriously? if there were not than many dds, dds can spot eachother and cas can help them. yet there are too many of them. a ca, which tries to come close gets torped before bbs shoot them. and cas are tougher opponents than bbs against bbs. i would face yamato rather than zao.

You don't seem to think it's the case... But it's... Can you at least try to check stats on player activity and compare CVs... WITH ANYTHING ELSE? How would you define the ratio between CVs and the rest? How do you think it reached that point? Which changed? That's what WG already did... And yes, WG doesn't want to loose custommers... Because they already did... ...The problem comes from thinking you are the center of the world. They nerfed the cvs yes. they were reall y really powerfull. but does it mean that they are weak now? no they are not. but people are just used to play those powerfull CVs. its normal that wg doesnt want to lose any costommers. but they are losing atm. i remember more than 30k-35k people at prime times. but in last 2 months i saw max 25k. and cvs were nerfed long ago. i think its the opposite. i think you finally got your shima and you are afraid of any nerfs to it. @brett50 i can talk about des moines. it is just great. i didnt have any CVs yet which wants to hunt me, even if im alone. its not that dramatic like you said. if you be a fool and show your broadside to bbs of course you are dead.

did i say anything about removing dds out of the game? no. radar is useless. you cannot kill a tier X dd in 25 secs even with a des moines together. (moskva, des moines div). they should start to think for a new solution asap. after the patch, everything got only worse. i would even wait 10 min for a well balanced, fair match instead of getting a 20 mins of crap.

you got +1 from me. but when you say CV divs, i remember the good CV captains i know and imagine them together in a div with their CVs. for example: strangers, reyte, flamu, aerroon. if you know them, you can try to imagine too. i think it would be a little too strong.

you are a du.... if you still think that its only bb captains. if it solves this crap, ok cap every ship. but you cant threat dds equalt with other classes. i see that you didnt count cvs as a ship class. you are right. but just like cvs, dds have also a huge impact to game. thats why we are askng for a cap of 3 dds per team.

MM still sucks. there are still too many dds per team. how long will it take you to fix that crap?

and WG is still doing nothing about this crap. well done wg, you are really good at destroying this game.

But if someone of my team starts to shoot me, would lt be a problem that i sink him for selfdefence?

My personal suggestion: if someone shoots you, sink him. Edit: report him too but there wont be any punishment for that guy.