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i guess you didnt get 8 dds in enemy team yet.

Its is pointless to discuss this topic further more. I have already told my opinion and i am sick of trying to explain it to you. I think was clear what i meant. The thing, which you dont understand is: if a player couldnt improve himself at some basic points until tier 8. He can only be a retard, nothing more. So dont make drama here like "players who has potential and who can improve..." if they had a potential they would learn what is the right thing to do in specific situations. Anyways, economy is going to remain the same. Get used to it and have fun.

Ho ho i am not in mod to discuss with you. Ok you know better then me with your tier8 how tier Xs work.

you got me really wrong. doing the necessary thing in the battle. it dont care if you use flags or camo and it doesnt really matter. the decions in the battles they do matter. so for me there is two type of tomatoes. 1. who really has no idea what to do. 2. he has a clue but he thinks about the repair bill. and he doesnt want his shiny ship to take any damage.

i call people bad or goodaccording to their decions during the battle. flags has nothing to do with being bad or good. i also dont use many flags. it isnt a must.

He asked if he is a bad player or not and i answered it. fear of change lol really funny. and i did say many times in this forum that i call myself as a decient player. and many times i said that i saw better players than me. so that part with "king" and "being the best" of your comment is only nonsence. believe me, there will be those tomatoes even if there were no bills. premium campers are a perfect proof for that. and they do this even in tier 8s. you have to land few shells on enemy and you make profit with that ships but they are still hugging the borders. and removing the repair bills will make more people like those to play tier Xs. so this is the 10th time maybbe that i have been saying the same thing. discussing that topic further more is pointless because you wont get lower repair bills. wg needs to gain money.

i think completely different than you. oneshots are dynamics of the game. dds oneshot an other player or bbs do that to other ships. the game can suddenly change with several good hits or good torpedo salvos. but there is one thing that i also hate in this game. RNG. i agree with you. it shouldnt affect the game that much. some things must be definite. like if you aim bad you get no citadels, i mean rng doesnt help you. if you aim well your shells dont go somewhere else but right to target, i mean rng doenst f*cks you. i agree with you about how ridiculous the RNG is.

even i write here for pages you wont unerstand it unless you experience it yourself. do you think that damage is the only factor that affects the game? anyways get a tier X ship, do couple 100 battles. you will see how dds affect the game. and generally the team with more dds wins if there are no cvs.

we explained the reason of that 100 times maybe. so check that thread out. you will find answers to your all questions. http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/45693-world-of-dd/ edit: and for godsake how could you even expect that cvs do the same amount of damage with the other classes

if people were decient, you would get support. those players that i want to avoid. oh and top tier gameplay is different than mid tiers you can be sure of it. at mid tiers you get [edited]in your team. they die very quick but it doesnt have that much effect on the game. losing 3-4 ships doesnt matter that much. but in top tiers losing a single ship means a lot. losing a yamato, zao or shimakaze in the first 2 mins is a huge handicap. or you can see it other from way. having 1-2 sniping bbs at mid tiers is not big deal. but having a yamato/montana sniping from max range, affects the game much more. so even one retard in top tier battles affects the game badly. we all play this game for fun but you dont have any right to ruin someone elses fun. so if this game wasnt a team game, you would do what ever you want to have fun. including ramming all islands on the map one by one and torping them. no one would care. but sadly its a team battle and nobody has to tolerate all retarded players. there should be certain limits for skill. since we dont have any skilled based MM, the high bills is the only barrier. i dont remember that i played with you. and you statts are hidden. so i dont know your gameplay and i cant make any comment about it. but if you play the game in the way like tomatoes, which i mentioned here, so yes you are a bad player.

i agree with you about capping dds btw. i forgot to say that. yes im talking about citadels. how do you plan to punish broadsiding ships? if the BBs dont have the big punch, there is no point to play them anymore. they would be like dds without torpedos. perfectly understand what you mean. but imo its not a good idea.

there isnt any class which needs a nerf of buff in this game. all we need is balanced MM and non-retard players. if we look at your suggestions: citadel damage is the only advantage of BBs. if you do that you have to nerf all other classes too. like: -reduce the torp damage and flooting chance. -reduce the number of fires you can start on a ship and its damage per second. -reduece plane speed and hp. as you see everything gets more crappy if you nerf a class. because than you need other nerfs buffs ,like i wrote here, to balance the classes again.

its not a rocket science. even if a monkey did more than 1000 battles in this game, it would be much better than some people. of course, some people plays better than others. personly i know many people from my clan, who plays much better than me. I dont call [edited]or tomatoes who are worse than me. but for example: if you miss from 4 km all your shells, if you as a bb div decide to go down the middle in two brothers map, if you, as a dd camp behind the bbs, if you launch torp to someone who is way away from your torpedo range with a risk of hitting your allies... im sorry but i would call you retard. (that list goes on.) as you see those are the basics. i dont expect from everyone to hit citadels with every salvo. yes you are right they are already in top tier battles despite of repair bills. but if the bills were lower, there would be more of them. i even asked for higher bills to make the number of those players lower. ok i can play teambattles. but they are only avaible for 5 hours. there are 7 ships. having 7 players is not big deal but still battles with 12 players are more fun. so give me teambattles with 12 players, make them avaible whole day, than you can be sure i will never touch the random battles again. ranked battles, is there any difference in ranked battles? nope. its worse. i played few ranked battles, then i said no thanks.

You may call me elitist but im sick of those [edited]at top tiers. I can understand getting those bad players at low and mid tiers. But at top tier i cant stand it. Yes there are already too many of them. We dont need more. Even if you lower the bills 10k, people will think "hey they lowered the bills! Awsome!". And about decent players you say. You said that maybe decent players would be able to play tierxs and improve theirselfs if there were lower bills. If a player got tier x already and if he still needs to improve even at tier x, you cant call him decent player. (There would be of vourse some improvements. People improve theirselfs all the time even the best players but we are tlaking here about massive improvements. A player who got tier x should be passed those ways. And just for records, there wont be a repair bill reduction. Forget it. WG is a privite company which has to gain money. Those bills help them to sell more premiums.

You said it yourself that you called him for help but he didnt respond you call. After you used all of your repairs and when your victory was almost certain he came and helped you. Did i understamd that wrong? I know the atago , i also have it and i even remember soing more than 900 profit with it in one si gle battle. But that was with a premium ships and premium account. And that des moines battles were non premium account. My premium account was over and i didnt buy it for 2 days. You can still play tierXs forever. Playindlg those premium ships helps you to grind for an other ship. You dont have to play them to be able to play tier xs. About necessary thing: i believe i was clear in my last post, what i meant with necessary things.

How can you still say "there is nothing necessarry"? Lets see in yor example, that other yamato should come and help you long before you told him. This is a necessary thing in this situation. Losing a yamato in your team would make the win harder. He should come and help you. You see those kind of people who i called tomatoes. To avoid more players like him i am against lowering repair bills. And rewards. The reward for the actions of des moines is a win. There is one big reward, winnng. If you give everythin rewards, it would take maybe 2-3 days to grind tier 10. Let me ask you why you did tank for your team. You could also stay back and be safe. You did it because someone should do it for victory. If everyone though like you in this game we wouldnt even talk about other rewards. And the people who dont do the right thing, like you did in this battle, are just tomatoes noting more. And why should we have more of them in battles. I am even for making the repair bills higher. You understood wrong i guess. While you are playing your atago, do you try to do right thing to win? I said a decent player dont think about reapir bill. You could say in this game "oh my repair bill is too high i will stay back and safe my money." but you didnt do it and this is the difference between you and tomatoes.

Well you didnt have to tell me about yamato. I believe i have enough battles. There is a necessary thing always. Why do you people need always some rewards to do the right thing to win? Why cant you do it without any rewards? I would explain the necessary things but they depend on the situation. But i can give you some examples. Its easy. If there are too many dds, a decent cv player shouldnt focus on bbs like a damage whore. He should try to attack on those dds and keep them spotted. A bb, shouldnt shoot only at bbs and cas for more damage, they should also try to shoot the dds when they are spotted. The same for cas. DDs shouldnt chase only the bbs, they should also screen for bbs. So as you see there are necessary things for winning. And you shouldnt need a reward to do those things. Who thinks his repait bill and avoid to do the best for winning, cant be a decent player.

Well this doesnt happen all the time. Its just rng. Not a pensacola issue. Few times i hit amagis and north carolinas for 56k+ damage at 25-26 km. Does it mean that those ships are crap? Or is it just RNG? Once i one shooted a pensa at 26 km, who was still loading i guess. Sadly there is too much RNG in this game. Pensa is much better now compared to old pensa. Just try not to get in ridiculous sotuations and you will be doing fine.

Well i also one shooted pensacolas many times with my BBs. I also nearly one shooted them with my new orleans. But it isnt pensacolas fault. It is the players fault. Pensa was terrible before it got buff. Now its ok. It has no issues imo. In your example, what the hell was pensa doing at 5 km to a BB? This is definitely players fault. Pensacola is not designed to engage BBs at 5 km. 80° angle, he must be also close to you. At -10km angling doesnt work for a ca against BB. At 7-8 km it is easier to citadel a angled ca with a BB. Because if you shoot at broadside at this distance, you may get overpens.

I passed through all usn cas. But i have never got one shooted by a bb in my pensacola. I guess it was just your mistake.

I hope we get a replay. I couldnt watch the stream because since 40 hours i dont have internet connection!

Yes, taking decisions based on money is wrong and thats a thing what non-decent players do. A good player would not think the repair bill during the battle. He does what is necessary. If a yamato player thinks: "oh i must stay back because my repair bill is too much"that means he isnt a decent player. He is just one of the tomatoes. If he were decent he would take decions according to the current situation of battle. No what im saying is, those players are just tomatoes. And making repair bill lower will increase the number of them. Decent players wouldnt do things what you said here. You cant deny that the number of tomatoes would increase after lowering the repair bills. Even now we have too many of them. You also mentioned about them.campers, damage whores, people who doesnt have any idea about how to play. And im sorry mate but we really dont need more of those.

There is no problem with mid tiers at all. You have to think about what you do wrong before you blame any ship. I play mid tier cas too. I like my murmansk and i loved my konigberg/nurnberg. I got also one shooted by bbs but those were always my mistakes.(didnt pay attention to mini map, pushed too fast, trusted the allies too much...) mid tiers have the real balance atm. Dont try to ruin it.

Good players have no problems with economy at high tiers because they can make profit.if you lower the costs, it wouldnt matter for good players. But bad ones will play top tiers more. So more players=more chance to get [edited].

Crysantos, strangers and aerroon of course are really good players. But i dont know the rest of the team. I was also suprised that i didnt see more OMNI members. If you pick the people who stream, then where is flamuu? He must definitely be in this team without any discussion. Edit: i got my answer about flamu. When i saw the list first i was like "wtf flamu is not in list." Thatswhy i didnt even read the other posts and posted myself.