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Erm, why post about an NA mission on the EU forum?

Why are you guys trying to summon Avenger, the patron saint of anti-cv apologist into a thread that has nothing to do with whether or not a CV is OP?

1) Its the flexibility of having 3 fighter squadrons that make it perform very well in the AS scouting role but I would say having 1 TB and 1 DB while still retaining strike capability, severly diminishes it. On the other hand I can say with some confidence that I can lock down a 1/2/2 ryujo in a 1/1/1 Inde. Im up to the lexi so far on the usn line and my experience is that I can usually either overpower or fight evenly other CVs and their varous loadouts with 1/1/1 or 1/1/0 until Ranger. Lexi is the blackship of the line. 1/1/1 is kinda useless in tier 9/10 games, 2/0/2 is good at AS and doing some damage but the carry potential is minimal since the alpha damage you do is minmal.On the otherhand strike is pretty awesome and you can do tons of damage even in tier 10 games if you plan well but you're at the mercy of the enemy CV. For essex and midway, i dont mind not having the 2nd tb although it would be good to have 2/1/3 as stock or strike or something. 2) I guess the Bouge is noob friendly in an AS sense (pre and post nerf) but its takes some skill to play the 1/1/0 (pre nerf) and when you can play it well it rewards you greatly. Was my fav CV until WG removed manual strafe and torp. It always felt great farming clear sky using 1/1/0 against 2/0/1 or 2

To be honest, my view is that IJN CVs are weaker to their USN counterpart until tier 7 when they get the 2/2/2 loadout and begin to outshine USN because the 2/2/2 loadout is overall much better for a CV to perform its various tasks such a AA, scouting and strike whereas USN forces you to pick a specific role, either you do AA or strike. On the topic of low tier CVs, specifically tier 5, sure statistically IJN CVs may perform better but how much is due to the fact that once you reach the Bogue you're already forced to make a decision on a specific role to play? Between playing the Zuiho (as a beginner) and the Bogue (pre-manual nerf but after playing a ton of CV games) I can say that overall the Bogue is a beast that can perform way better than the Zuiho in both AA and strike role. The only reason why statistically it is weak is due to the fact that most people pick between AS or strike. I'll go so far as to say that Zuiho is a noob friendly CV while the Bogue (pre-nerf at least) reward experienced player greatly if they know how to play the 1/1/0.

He's not necessary wrong you know. IMO IJN tb squad belong to the "flexible" category while USN tb squad have one hit potential on any class at tier 4 and 5. Lets say we have 2 equally skilled CV players one in a Bogue and the other in a Zuiho all the Bogue has to do is just focus down on the Zuiho fighter first and wipe them all out. After that the Bogue can just leasuirely hunt down the Zuiho's attack planes, while at the same time sinking/heavily damaging enemy ships with the tb squad. Given the plane reserves at tier 5 and Spandex's elaboration on fighter health and attack power the Bogue would win the battle of attrition and long term fight as compared to the Zuiho.

My mistake then

WG has already made a reply regarding it. Haven't u read it? Its been reposted everywhere,even on this page of the forum.

Lol then why call it p2w (with regards to thisheep's post on damage)? I mean if it was him shooting down 90+ planes and you call it p2w I won't have said anything but I really can't see how saipan's tb are that op.

Excellent fighters sure but striking power I don't think so. Think of it this way like you said you lose 2 planes to enemy AA so you only have 4 torps left on that strike. Then you have to ensure that they actually hit something and not miss or drop to close and not arm the torpedoes. Plus trying to cross drop a DD with 3 torps per side is pretty tough since its easier to dodge. It takes effort on the CV player side, not just the planes to keep on striking and shooting down planes at the same time.

Lol can I have what you're smoking? Sure a Hakuryu in a tier 3 game can by itself kill the entire enemy team in 13 min but in reality that does not happen. By itself a CV would probably only be able to kill a same tier full hp target say every 3~5min. You're like Trump aren't you? Everything that does not fit your ideal is either fake news or you'll just convinently twist facts to suit your agenda. Sure i enjoy playing CVs but unlike you and most of your ilk I literally play every single class and know their strengths and weaknesses and use them to my advantage when playing against the other classes unlike you who just go "CV OP PLS NERF OR REMOVE". Its people like that that turns a game toxic because they can't be bothered to learn the game and assume a class is OP without actually learning how they're played.

The gap seems pretty wide though so if the DD begins turn while your plane comes in they can probably dodge the torps quite easily, unless you do a cross drop.

Lol if you're not a potato you can just track the shells coming out from the smoke (given Neptune and Mino's high rate of fire its pretty easy) and estimate roughly where the smoked ship is and shoot into it. Granted its hard to hit a DD given their size but anything CA/CL and above you should hit them quite easily especially with RN CAs since only have 2 puff of smoke making it easier to guess size the smoke area is smaller. If you really hate smoked ships and can't hit them maybe this will help:

I'm looking at it from the perspective of WG tackling a global market I guess. Sure they can localize the various servers and give the EU server the rising sun but not the Asian server but from my perspective while the EU may not be bothered and it does not affect the Asian server, its possible that the action by WG may lead to Chinese or South Korean players boycotting WG games just because of the strong sentiments against the rising sun. I mean it may sound ridiculous to you but given that both China and South Korea get riled up very easily when the Japanese do nationalistic stuff like visiting the Yasukuni Shrine or whitewash their actions during WW2 in their history textbook why would WG take the risk and affect their branding and image in Asia? Perhaps using the Russia CA example is stupid but how much protest has their been or how many people have given up the game since the hammer and sickle flag was introduced? Sure introducing the rising sun will probably not affect the EU market but it'll affect a chunk of WG's Asian market so again why would they risk it? On the other hand they can just allow it (rising sun or swastika) into the game as part of a mod from a modder and not be seen directly responsible for the flag and thus not get embroiled into a controversy since they're not directly responsible for it. There is this mod: although I don't know if you can actually use the rising sun or the swastika but its currently broke though so........ Fair enough.

Lol he has a point you know. The anti-CV crowd always talk about how CVs are OP, how it is statistically proven to be OP etc etc but have always conveniently shy away from discussion on the limitations that CVs face. I mean its exactly what you're doing now. You're sweeping aside the fact that AgarwaenME pointed out that CVs are limited by flight and refit time and then go back to talking about how OP CVs are as though you can't admit to the fact that CVs do have limitation or you don't have an answer to it, so you just ignore it and go "CVs OPPPPP", throw a few insults here and there and hope people do not catch you out on it or get drawn back to your "CVs OPPPPP" point.

Perhaps it's because we rarely see the hammer and sickle being mentioned as a controversy topic in the English media compared to the swastika and the rising sun. I guess it's also like what you and AkosJaccik say, certain symbols do not come across as a big deal to regions that are not affected by it. Europe is barely affected by what happened in Asia when the Japanese sweep through it, apart from losing their colonies so the rising sun is not a controversial symbol to Europeans. In the same vein the Asia did not really experience what Hitler did to Europe, thus the nazi's swastika is not a controversial symbol to them. The only reason why I can think of for WG including the hammer and sickle is what I've mentioned above, because they feel that not as many people would be vocal about it when compared to the swastika and rising sun, which more people recognize as abhorrent symbols. Unfair? Yes. But WG kind of pulled it off didn't they? I don't know about the other wows language forums/outside forums or any news media but at least for the English wows forum/media you barely see a topic (at least as far as I've seen. I may have missed them) dedicated to removing the hammer and sickle flag from the Russian CAs.

True but definitely not right at the start. Perhaps after the first few minutes of the game when you have an idea as to where to the enemy is proceeding and therefore can flank them/cap without dying but definitely not right off the bat.

It's because you rarely see a very vocal disagreement against the hammer and sickle symbol, whereas the swastika and rising sun has always been a source of contention in their respective area. Therefore WG can safely use the hammer and sickle symbol whereas if they use the swastika and rising sun they will bring attention that they rather not have.

Until everyone and their grandmother starts shooting at you and you end up going back to port after playing for 2 minutes and doing less than 10k damage.

I would say give up concealment module for steering gear mod 2 and secondly pretend you're a BB and stay at range unless you're up against 1/2 enemy ships. My experience with the ship is that unlike it's other counterparts it'll literally die if you push right at the start to support your DDs, given its size, armor and poor turning radius. Gun wise I've nothing to say I find it pretty good actually and have no problem landing shots at max range on BBs or CAs that sail straight. Perhaps get the accuracy mod? Damage wise its pretty ok. I usually stay at range and kite around while throwing HE shells at the enemy and if I have the opportunity I'll just push up or cap (yes cap) and AP ships that give me broadside. So far I've been enjoying it quite alot since I find the guns hit whatever I aim at and I can do decent damage over time.

Eh I was think more of the various Jewish organisations or anti hate group (like the Southern Poverty law center) but didn't know how to phrase it so I used anti fascist organisations. Apologies.

Well only if you're skilled enough I guess. I mean if you yourself probably can't do 293,212 damage with only 6 torpedo bombers every time you strike right?

Business and perspective I guess. Even if they patch it for the EU, RU and NA server you'll still hear the outcry from Asia and the people who have suffered under the Japanese because people don't usually see a difference between the army and navy. While the swastika may be a separate issue, say for example the people on the Asian server ask to patch the swastika in for historical accuracy and WG can patch it into the Asian server only. You'll straightaway hear outcry from people who have suffered under the rule of the Nazi regime. So WG probably feel they should avoid getting embroiled into a controversy and offending people from the different continents. As for acts the Red Army did I'm guessing there is a less vocal opposition from what I can see? Anything Japanese you'll hear China and South Korea making alot of noise. Anything Nazi related you'll hear it from Germany, Israel or any of the Jewish/anti fascist anti-hate organisations. However when it comes to what the Red Army did you barely see any country or organisation being very vocal about it and that's why WG felt that it was ok?

Don't know if you've read his books before but Harry Turtledove wrote quite a few series on alternate military history, including one where Rebels won the Civil War and WW2 did happened ;) (well the series is separated into 3 time period, the Civil War, WW1 and WW2). John Birmingham also wrote a trilogy where a modern multinational naval taskforce got sent back in time.