Hanse77SWE

I have fond memories of the "AS"-Bogue

What if WG went one patch with no CVs at all? Just as an experiment. A few weeks with no CVs and then ask how the players feel about that and have a look at the stats to see what's changed. Couldn't be too had to do?

I have for some time now felt that this game isn't fun anymore. And the question I ask myself then is "Why? What makes me feel that way?" I've had a thinking-session and I've come up with some answers but first I'll introduce myself. I'm 42 y.o. and have played WoWs since OBT. It all started with me looking for naval documentaries on YT. I stumbled over a WoWs vid (by Jingles I believe) and I liked what a saw and started playing the first day of OBT. I'm not a "main" but play everything but CVs (more on that later) and I have decent stats. I consider myself a "casual" and I'm not in this game to be the best or win everything. I'm the commander of a casual clan. (Feel free to join.) So, back on-topic. I started by asking the question: "Why do I play games?" and the answer was pretty simple: "To have fun." Now, that isn't "Haha"-fun but more like "Satisfaction"-fun. You know, that feeling you get when you pull of a nice maneuver, hit with a well aimed salvo or outsmart an opponent. So the next question was: "Why don't I feel that way anymore?" and that answer wasn't as simple. In fact, I had to break it up. 1: I've played for a long time. I've done all the things I set up as goals when I started and I have no more long term goals to do. I have 21 T10s in port (no CVs) and I've played 278 different ships in randoms. So it's more like "Been there, done that" and this happens with most things if you do them long enough, you get bored. Can't really blame WG for me playing the game "Too much". That's just the way things are. 2: The community has changed. It has become harder, colder, more demanding and less forgiving. But also more cautious and passive in the way the game is played. Now, I call my playstyle "A-A". That's "Active-Aggressive". I want to do things and I don't want to sit around waiting for someone else to get his thumbs out of his arse so I get going from the start. This playstyle doesn't work as good as it used to and mostly because the rest of the team scatter from the start. Some duck in behind the nearest island, some waste time "switching" sides and some just sit in the spawn and don't give any sign of what they will do. I never know what my team will do so I can't do anything either and it just ends with every one sitting still waiting for someone to do something. It's hard to play aggressive when you don't have a team to back you up. Yes, I said "Back me up" because it's usually me up front no matter what ship-class I play. Now, some of you might say "Why don't you change your playstyle to fit the game?" and the answer is that I have. I've become more cautious but at some point I pass a line where I feel that this is now so cautious that's it's not fun and if I'm not having fun then why am I playing? Nowadays I play mostly Co-Op and Scenarios. Why? Because a bot will never hide or run away. He will fight and that's fun! The attitude of the players has also changed. You get reported for practically nothing and compliments are few and far between. Many players take time to type negative comments in chatt rather than focus on what they are doing with the ship. The community has also become more selfish. It's often you see in comments on FB and in the forum like: "I want this!" or "Why haven't you done what I told you to do?" We are hundreds of thousands of different people playing this game but some of us seem to think that everything should be the way they want it. In short: Selfish behavior. Don't get me wrong, I also have things I would like to see in the game but I'm not so self centered that I believe that WG will do everything I tell them to do. Feedback, yes. Demands, no. The game becomes what we, the players make of it. And if a majority of the players are camping salt-spreaders then that is what the game will become. Do I think that's fun? No, I don't. 3: The CVs. First I want to make it clear that CVs was never a sellingpoint to get me to play this game. I'm here to play ships and that's it. If I want to play with planes there are other games and if I want to play RTS I play a RTS-game. But the CVs have an impact on the game that can not be ignored. I don't like to play CVs. I've tried and it didn't grow on me so I don't play them. It's that easy. But they are in the game and I still face them in battle so I can't avoid them even if I wanted to. What are my feelings about playing against CVs? In the "old days" it wasn't a problem. The good CV-players were few and far between so if you got deleted by one every 100 games, it wasn't too bad. But now there are CVs everywhere and that has an impact of itself. * It's not fun being spotted in the first minute of the game and stay spotted for most of it. It limits what you can do if everybody can see you all the time. You can't use islands bc planes can fly around or over them in a few seconds and now you're pinned behind that island and can't move bc half the enemy team is just waiting for you so they can shoot you. * It's not fun trying to outrun/outmaneuver a craft that is five times as fast as you are. * It's not fun being focused by a CV because you can't do anything else but dodging and weaving while praying to RNGesus that you at least shoot down some planes before they drop. And while you are dodging and weaving you're no use for your team since you can't fight other ships at the same time. (But they can still shoot at you.) * It's not fun taking hit after hit from airdropped weapons and still see full-size squadrons come at you no matter how many you shoot down all while you are going in the wrong direction on acount of all that dodging and weaving AND you are now a sitting duck because you lost half your speed in those maneuvers. (And you're spotted so all the enemies that can, will shoot at you.) * It's not fun having to spend half your skillpoints on AA-skills that hardly does any difference so when you're in a game without CV or the CV doesn't attack you feel that "That was a waste of skillpoints." Not to mention how I feel when I've picked Deff-AA and there's no CV or I picked Hydro and thee is a CV. It's too much guesswork. I might as well just flip a coin on how to equip my ship! * It's not fun being under air-attack for a full minute just to have the next wave coming for you 40 seconds later. When I play a BB and have planes attacking me I want to shoot them down before they drop their bombs/torps/rockets. But on the other hand, how fun is it for the CV-player to lose all/most of his planes before he can drop his bombs/torps/rockets. I find these two sides incompatible. We can't balance the game so that we get the same result when a T8 CV attacks a T10 AA-cruiser as when he attacks a T6 BB. Yes, +1/-1 MM will help some but what's the difference between a "Wooster" and a Seattle, and a Nagato and a Ashitaka? The Seattle will still shred planes and the Ashitaka won't. Personally, I can't see a way to balance the game as long as the CVs are in it. But that's just me. The CV increases the tempo of the game. It increases the multitasking and it increases the RNG and guessing. As a casual player I don't want to play a high tempo-, high stress- guessing game . It's not fun. Will I demand the removal of CVs? I could but would that be fair to those who like the CVs? If there was a vote on it I know what my vote would be. Now, why am I telling you all this? I just want WG, and anyone else who's interested, to get a notion of what a long time, casual player feels for the game. I'm not trying to make demands or force the game to change. My take on any game I've played for the last 30 years is "It doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough." I just want to have fun and I don't have that feel for WoWs anymore. I loved what it used to be but it has changed and I have changed. It might come a time when I stopp playing the game altogether, not by decision, but more because I've found better things to do so it just fades away. It's sad because I've had alot of fun with this game and I really would like to have fun playing it in the future. I've tried to keep this short, to no avail, and I know that it can be a bit fuzzy so if you want me to clarify something, don't be afraind to ask. Stat-shaming, salt and bad behavior will not be replied to. The topic is: "How we feel about the game."

I have 109 premium/reward-ships in port and there's not a single one that I can say: "You must buy this one!" about. It's all up to playstyle and what you like. I have opinions about all of them and gladly give advice but only you know what's best for you.

I don't like T10 bc of the campy meta (most events like CB and ranked is usually high tier) and as a casual I don't like competitive play so no CB or tournaments. Also, I play when I want to and with CB set to fixed hours those doesn't allways match up. I do all the in-game events and there are no IRL-events close to were I live. I want entertainment and fun from a game, not stress, salt and high blood pressure.

It's a good pick with all the players driving around "naked".

Nice! A bit a change never hurt anyone.

I'm running Win10 on a 64-bit system and a x64 processor using 16 GB of RAM, six-core 3.5 GHz. Radeon R7 370 4GB. Still have ~60 FPS.

So is complaining about 0.5 seconds.

So is the ROF. (7%) It doesn't matter how good your DPM is if you can't shoot straight.

Got nine so far and only one duplicate.

No problems at all here. Been runing vanila on the same computer since the start 2015.

Try it! You might like it! I tried it and I didn't like it but that's me.

Better accuracy. It's not how much you shoot. It's how much you hit.

It activates it self whgen you get the first piece.

Not T10 because of the campy meta.

I have 150+ ships in port. I play all tiers.

Easy solution: Remove CVs. There! Problem solved!

If the MM was +1/-1 that would lead to other problems. Like diversity in the line up. Lets say we have six nations each with three classes. A three tier-spread means that 54 different ships can end up in a game. With +1/-1 that number drops to 36. That means that you'll face the same few ships again and again and that's not fun either. I have no problem with +2/-2 MM. It means that though I play the same ship, based on being bottom or top tier I have to play it differently and that ads to width of the game. I just wish I don't end up bottom tier in most games. Remember: Diversity Also, remember that there is a multiplier for doing damage to higher tier ships so you can earn more being bottom tier.

In war you look for inbalance in your favor. But this is a game.

Kidd is the DD with the most planekills in the game. She has good guns, a heal and Deff. AA. Lacks in torps but she makes up for it in the rest.

This is not history. This is a game.

Thing is, I know how to play against CVs. Problem is that it's not fun to play that way. I'm not looking for a bigger challenge, I'm looking for entertainment and amusement.

I wish it was….

Can it have somthing to do with this?