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Wait, so the direct counterpart is not a comparison? Btw you might wanna look at some other T 4 premium battleships then, which eat all those peasant ships for lunch you mentioned. (At least the A. Beta was earned). Yeah you know .... the Atago could use a further buff since its only on par with the Kutuzov ....... lets forget Mogami down there in the gutter and farm some more silver peasant. /s Ah I am so glad you picked that one because obviously you dont remember the chain of events: Everyone played Omaha with the B hull and AFT. Omaha had more torps, Marblehead had weaker fewer but longer range ones. So yeah while I agree that Marble head was never a offender to p2w, even back then when she was introduced there was no point of picking Omaha over Marblehead; and everybody just bought Murmansk anyway. Well you see, my much cheaper keyboard than beats out your smartphone then - now immagine how in a p2w free (or at least moderate p2w) game this should be the the rule, not the exception. also: again: Maybe, but I try to not let statements quite like those above stand uncommented. Also I brought up some suggestions when asked instead of solely defending p2w. Marvin has been "burnt" on some "very long discussions" with me before. ;)

Thankfully I am playing low tier co-op to finance my high tier extravaganza. Its true tough that the economy got better, but (at the bold part) It feels like ()the average Potato runs premium, plays Tirpitz or similar, lands 10 shells the whole game, earns maybe 800 xp on a win and still gets enough rewards to fail his way up in the rest of his boats so he can pollute even more high tier games . Thx, I know I can be very .... direct since english isnt my native tongue. Well for me its ofc no problem at all. But generally speaking: Cosmetics are the way to go. Flags, then the "battle emblems" of the german ships (dunno what to call them) would be another possibility. Or harbours that lets you see more of your armada. Or how about a clan-harbour that you can "build"? With surplus those resources? Like Scapa flow? Ludicrous prices, everyone in the clan can contribute but there isnt any immediate in-battle-advantage. Premiums ships for horrendous amounts of silver would also be ok, IF they wouldnt be p2w and came with a disadvantage. Like a Emden of the 1920s at T 5 or the Marblehead. Problem with the brought up fund-transfer would be, that you could lvl a second account, transfer funds, buy ships and then sell the acc - so WG wont do stuff like that. Or simply giving it to others, thus reducing the need for premium accounts. 4 Ships only? I expected some more creativity like ..... Katori. That ship is definitely not p2w. How about Krasny Krim? You know how popular that one is, because its not fun & unique enough? Now my turn, how about: Atago, Indianapolis, Texas, Arizona, Molotov, Blyska, Gremy, Missouri, Imperator, Kamikaze, Kamikaze R, Fujin, Saipan, Murmansk, Scharnhorst, Perth, Belfast - and those from the top of my head. WG could allow its players to choose which ship to play, eg Texas or NY (without the inherent premium ship bonuses) -> Wanna take a guess how often the NY will be ever played again? And remember those ships are p2w by itself; we havent even started about constellations like a, lets say, 10 pts Pensacola captain against a Indianapolis with a 15+ pts captain. Depends who you are divisioning with. Sure XP goes up through WR, but if you are just a average joe like me and you play with some of the Forumites-Purple-league your average results may go down. (Remember cred gain on a loss is the same). They will go down for sure if you arent able to pull your own weight as there will simply be 2 players efficiently harvesting obvious and even called out targets.

This. Same with old Izumo that used to have the shitty Nagato-stock shells I think. At least they were worse than Nagato-upgraded shells ....... against Yamatos ...... €: Oh yeah. That ship before the new C-hull drove me to 1 of only 2 occasions of dropping free xp to progress to the next ship. Now the ship is actually quite good, only the meta of T 5 being in BT 7 only screws it pretty hard.

And this is where you are wrong. I made the concious decision to not further p2w in this game; it has nothing to do whit my inability to afford it - I generally despise p2w in all its forms. I am getting tired to explain this in every thread: I dont play p2w ships (in pvp) even if I have them. Example 1: Murmansk - testbuy to see if the p2w is really that bad in this game. Spoiler: 0 reson to ever play Omaha again -> p2w cant play Murmansk ever again in pvp. Example 2: Kamikaze R - wont play it anymore since it escaped re-balance and turned p2w -> theft of a ship by WG on top. I am sure you can find more or more detailed posts in general on the matter through the search if you really want. I usually dont lash out at players and instead give WG the shi7 for the whole situation, which is a new premium comes out and when its not fun & unique (read: OP and p2w) its "crap". The exception to that rule is when somebody asks for even more p2w in the game. You can do that ofc, but you cant do that and realistically expect me to not comment on that one. So theres that. I dont see a single criticism on the analysis as a whole, only the usual defence reaction triggered - which is quite telling by itself. Its always "no big difference" until you ask them to play ships with "no big differences" but "in the opposite direction" as a disadvantage instead of a p2w-advantage. Remember PE? That was still better or at least equal to a Hipper and how much flak did it catch for simply not being ludicrously p2w? So yeah, spoilers for you: The next guy that skulks around complaining that he cant get a 20 pts captain ever (at least in the current scheme of captain skills) will also get a fitting answer from me.

Or at least excerpts from the russians. Google wont do me well with all the Blyat-ing I am expecting. Bot Taihos without commander skills, upgrades and idk even stock? Well I did drop on 3 US-bot-BBs close together (its only a quarter of a full pvp team ...) in a Zuiho - one was a Texas, one a NY and one a WY- np. In another match I also went (again Zuiho) for a Pensacola - one shot. Well thats not true, he had a few k hp left when I did send in the divebombers. So showmatches against bots without skills, without upgrades etc proof exactly what? Especially Taiho that gets the T9 upgrade for the flight groups which is basically another tier of progress thrown in for free.

Some cosmetic stuff why not, but I am deeply against stuff like that: - So the premium ships are already op-p2w by themselves. You got shot at from them op-ships by highest trained captains on top and they earn additional credits and XP. - Premium account again increases the _insane_ disparity in terms of reward between somebody with and without p.-a. Not to mention that the rich people run all-premium-consumables ...... or what else is to do with the stockpile of creds? - In silver ships you enjoy being bottom tier all the time and getting out spotted by 18 pts captains in p2w-trained-BBs in your cruisers ...... - If a line comes up, there are already 18 pts captain waiting in said ships to club whoever dares to also play that line. and yet ..... thats still not enough? Tell you what, being a silver peasant (mostly, I dont do p2w to be precise) I know whats possible without p2w: I am still celebrating my first ever 15 pts captain (with less than a handful 12-13 pts ones on other ships). More "skill" through captain-skills or the wallet isnt what this game needs. FFS, it now has even premium shells (aka Belfast and Perth) or lets take another example: The premiums that are so broken WG wont sell them any more ........... except, they do! Like all the p2w-premiums like the Gremy. all for real money out of Christmas containers ....... Just like in the other p2w-game of theirs in which the E-25 is so broken they dont sell it anymore ....... ( again) except, they do. Its was just hidden behind a hefty paywall - so its balanced for everyone that is willing to climb over said paywall. Sadly I know the player base of this game all to well: WGs biggest fuckup with KI was to not put into the premium shop or make it exclusive for premiums ships; then it would be perfectly balanced ofc.

In Soviet Russian ship, you dont dodge shell anyway, shell dodges you! (Its called dispersion ...... and bias)

No doubt about that since elite Pensacola is way ahead of elite Hipper ......... hell, even stock Hipper with a heal would be > elite Hipper since you are a expandable target ship anyway ...... We can replace those words in " " with stock-Pensacola, stock Fuso, old-Furotaka, Shi7berg and Karlsruin in general, etc .... but the it might become hard to read while retaining the same meaning. I played a lot of stock- or at least mostly stock ships. Most have only a few key-upgrades. Take NY: Stock hull would be manageable .... but worse shells on a BB? No thx (I did that one in co-op). Same with old Izumo ... So far I only used earned free xp. A exception is Pensa: Its has A LOT of downsides, and without all 3 upgrades not a single advantage: - You need the range or else you have drive around in effective gunrange of even T 4 BBs - in up to BT 9 games with your "great camo" . - You need the Hull because your manoeuvrability (and faith in RNG-dispersion ) is your armor. - You need the Hull because your AA is crap anyway, but it would be nice keep at least T5 CVs away ..... - You need the Gun upgrade for the better shells because the Guns, and here esp. the AP, is all the ship about. crap AP with really bad pen -> Useless ship. And yeah I did a stock grind on Pensa ..... my recommendation: DONT! With the upgrades it might be the best T 7 cruiser if you know how to play it - and get lucky with the double cits through the bow/stern, and if the Skycarcinoma lets you play in general ofc.

Damn I had the magical 8 kills, cowards get nothing, co-op game right in front of me - only 2 victims remaining which I could have killed easily. Unfortunately the bots droped below 0 pts after loosing 6 ships straight - without killing one of us (because that friendly ship kill would have been me as I was meleeing all those ships and getting shot at by them - its also the reason why none of the bots got more than token xp). Ofc non linear rewards: 6 kills rewarded like it wasnt even 2 - what else. ________ Considering my first row seat in bounce-city, district of screw-you-mm, I consider this a good result ..... btw: Yeah you get better rewards from damaging high tier ships, but that is more than nullified by olol 100 k hp T 10 battleship - protected by trololo armor. ________ .... and a game in which I nearly made an impact to the teams effort in a shitty cruiser because I had two actual Battleships in front of me, equipped with actual balls - tanking and pushing, instead of the usual high tier BB idiots busy fapping in the back for at least the first 10 minutes of the game. Bonus points to our Benson who refused to scout or support us and instead abandoned us to run away from various ships for his entire game. To bad I only was able to report him twice.

Tbf WG had a few patches that did that involuntarily to people to - remember the free for all that the NA-server patch brought? btw: I cant phrase it any better; and it even has a part about divisioning and division-mates.

Same here, happy New Year to all fellow window-lickers. and for AO in particular:

I know your pain. I foresaw how god awful the holidays would be ....... and so far I have not been disappointed by both WG and the playerbase. So coming back from a earlier Noob-induced rage quit and just for the novelty: That was the first draw in a long long time. and then this game, which was tense and then, although I didnt do all that much damage (because most of it to DD) gave me my first ever 15 pts captain. All I can say is ....... the p2w is real. Its ridiculous what even shitty performances get if you are greasing up WG; so you can then roflstomp silver peasants with shitty captains ...... So after I had now my first Takeshis Castle-Captain on the Ibuki, another game in the Shores: Thats what I call a division carry. Shores is really growing on me - for a shitty cruiser ofc - might even beat out Pensa as best T 7 cruiser for me. Speaking on which: When I saw that MM I immediately cursed because I didnt have the US 203 mm AP to farm the enemy like they deserved ..... but still Shores was somewhat up to the task. Sekret h4x-tactics to use in this kind of matchup with no Skycarcinoma and little threat of lolol random citadel: because: Honestly tough, I think my most common sentence was: "Turning the turrets around", because we were getting flanked so much from switching between all 3 caps wherever we were needed. Anyway: Happy new year folks!

He appears if you say his name 3 times . If remembered of some old footage of the old TB-times when the "Imperial Forumite Navy" under "Darth Loran" was active. (Yeah I know those game now got a Re-Release, but the only true way of playing them is with Gouraud-shading and without texture looking like crap - hey dont judge me, after all I play WoWs too .....)

And again. Top tier BB, hides behind the island most of the times doing nothing. He has been called out to go and finish of several low hp targets, like the enemy Yamato ..... but no. He had to preserve his hp to die as one of the last guys and did abosolutely nothing. The Benson got his xp from re-capping after we had lost, but the Yama had a field day. Wtf are you supposed to do when the BBs on your side are solely bots (generally and at least half of them in this match)? Dont belive me? Well let the show begin then: Well 600 games in T7 cruisers ruined. I do substantially more than both averages combined in a T 5 cruiser ....... In case of the Atlanta, which alone ruined 300 games, I do more damage in a T2 cruiser ...... Wait, I am being elitist again? I checked the sewer average for T 2 cruisers, and its higher than this display of a diarrhoea-dump. but we were talking about a Montana, maybe its the best BB player of the world just having a bad game (or a stroke during?) and ofc his Montana is proudly carrying on the tradition: Ow wow by T 10 he is actually threatening some of my worse performing mid tier cruisers and ofc midtier gunboat destroyers ...... Its a wallet warrior of the worst kind, that cant be bothered to play low and mid tier ....... or to actually try. This damn parasite has ruined games in the thousands, while given plenty of chance and time to learn. Ingame I can attest to his refusal to even try. His has now fail-botet his way up to T 10 and there is absolutely nothing preventing him from constantly polluting even the highest tier matches. Do you know whats the saddest part? He isnt even the worst offender whose profile I checked over time ........ not .... even ..... quite.He is only the recent one that drove me to a rage quit because if you cant find your ballz with a 7/8 full hp TOP TIER BB to drive out an finish a Yamato that has 3k hp you should no longer be allowed to pollute even mid tier games. This are the bots WG is catering to, bonus point for BBaby. This guy didnt even deserve the 500 xp for hitting 2 shells and the rest in "potential damage" ....... Bots like that need a kick in the a$$, not Keen Intuition.

What do you guys think, will they also make a version with the EU-Grinch stealing all the presents and then when he has a -verbal-bitchting-knife on his troath ....... when he sees the error of his ways and has a change of hearts ....... when some brave redshirt empowered by constant bitching fought the beast that is WG-EU ....... returns some of them?

I still prefer the Derpy Groove. ... it empowers me to do things like that to an enemy Amagi: As you probably noticed: WG inundated me with some unasked p2w time ...... and boy the p2w is real in this game: Dont get me even started on the captain xp ....... I mean what the hell, even in co-op I can get better rewards just with p2w-time than a actually decent game in pvp: Much skill involved compared to a silver peasant; 10/10 will flame WG for p2w even more often. Also its pretty clear where the Noobs get their T 10 - hit a shell in high tier premium BB and you already made a profit thanks to non-linear rewards.

... but I am so good at it.

.... the Christmas missions have been saved .... but not for me. I already directed a (honest felt) thx towards the guy responsible fighting the present stealing Grinch on EU ...... ....... and told the rest where they can shove it.

Even tough I wont use it or get any benefit from that now added campaign: A warm thx to whatever redshirt had to fight the beast that is shafting EU constantly (without consent) and stealing even the christmas presents. For me personally the damage is long done; and still piling up on other "fronts". I refuse to go after redshirts trying their best (and I know they are trying their best), but I hope they will in turn understand when I say that, "WG-as-a-whole" can shove it up south until it comes out north. While we are on the subject: You "stole" (read: turned it p2w) a premium recently from me: Kamikaze R. Now I know you dont do refunds, and I am not asking for one; rather get in contact and donate at least € 20 (because afaik that was for how much the Kami R was sold; or ofc you can donate more you greedy ....) to http://www.abcsg.com/ and take it away from my account, because as a p2w boat its of no use to me anyway. If you want to play dumb, I know the http://www.aacr.org has a big button for a one time $ 25 donation right on their homepage. This ship is now not what I played for during the event; which is the verbal-rethoric used by wallet warriors to thwart of changes to premiums in general. So I only demand equal grounds based on that: You already changed the ship, so a refund would be in order: You cant give back time, but you can do a donation and take it away from my port .....

NOT EVERYONE WANTS UNFAIR AND UNBALANCED ADVANTAGES! Not everyone thinks the worst part about a op p2w roflstomp premium is the fact that they dont own it, nor cant buy it anymore. Not everyone thinks the worst part about 19 pts captains is that you cant the a 20th point one, and the hassle with pay pall to buy more doubloons for retraining and re-spec on whatever is the faceroller-flavour of the month (if its not outright a premium anyway, then its obviously respec only). I played battleships for the last year like a main, and yet for over a year (I know because I started bitching in Oct 2015) I argue for cruiser buffs. Battleship main - arguing for cruiser buffs. Once you figured out how thats possible, you might see some "other problems".

Nooodle, lets just say that I respect Marvins opinion and even enjoy the usual discuss on things like p2w or Skycarcinoma although I know we will likely have different a opinion at the start and at the end of the discussion. I am actually a little "irritated" that so far we (Marvin and me) hadnt a single disagreeing stance on this pile of manure. Also if anything you should know from me, is that I argue against BS wherever I see it, even if it does or would benefit me: I got a Murmansk, I wont play it because its p2w. I have a Kami R, same as above because WG activly "stole" (thats the term the wallet warriors love to use right?) it from my account by turning it into p2w. Likewise I argue against completely stupidly retarded buffs which are unnecessary to the class I played most "recently", so much that I am now no longer a cruiser main player because they are so beyond shi7. Proof: At this point, and I told you that before, either put the people on the ignore list or report them to a moderator. After all thats what they are both for. Again, you can start the reporting with me as I am not valuing being able to post here that much; even less so with a game whose developers are Noobs of such an unfathomable magnitude. You better hurry up, because at least from my position I can and will guarantee you this will not stop voluntarely. If you are not convinced yet, let me tell you that you should be grateful for Marvins "diaper-approach", as I could and would use more drastic yet fitting metaphors - as you should already know. Comming from Marvins diaper approach; clarification is in order to determinate why the Devs feel the compulsive need to smear Melaena produced by the BBabys in their diapers onto cruisers and DDs constantly, (and on the EU server as a whole in particular) - rather than treating the "haemorrhaging" of thought-process or skill, required for BB-players as whole.

I didnt immediately uninstall (like I probably should .....) and gift my acc to a random guy on the forum ....

Ofc it is - people told them only months in advance. Lets put this into terms WG will understand - money: I already have a job, so my free version of feedback consists at this point of calling them Noobs - because thats even a way to friendly version of what they need to be called since this BS made it into a PT-version. Now, I am not asking for personal gain, but if they want "premium-feedback" they can make a donation (with proof) to this group: http://www.abcsg.com/ - after that I can be bothered to find the words even those Noobs might understand, why everything they put into this update should be utilized to fertilize fields. I'd say €1 per minute I try to explain it to them why this is BS and € 0,50 every time I have the use the words "BS", "Noobs", "retarded", or similar is in order. WG can then decide, based on those figures, how much "premium-feedback" they want from me. Now excuse me while I browse my game library for a different game to play in the near future ..... The whole update is just a steaming pile of shi7. Take the skill that tells you how much ships are locked on your ship: You now gotta press x to make sure the target is not locked on, and then x again when your guns are about to be loaded and you want to delete a random [edited]shitty cruiser. Much wow - so deep thoughts went into this BS, esp since the whole auto-targeting already works like however it feels like.

.... and you need to realise what kind of players these "large number" consist of. Likewise I can find a "large number" of xxx-peope to "prove" basically everything: From aliens to the necessary destruction of basically every country in the world. Doesnt tell squat about whether or not they are right in their view, only the size of the herd. On the oppose lets talk about the "even larger %-number" of players with "an actual clue" that are against this. I mean honestly I am really waiting for someone who isnt at least neutral, but instead all out in favour of this BS and isnt a complete Noob. ..... for me to then (verbally) jump his throat.

.... and have the EU-server-players pay for it entirely all by themselves. Thats the "love and tolerate version" already on page 1^^, ofc tailored in a "tongue" the devs should understand since its the same "tongue" you going to read in chat and on the forum*1) from the same clientele they are catering for anyway; so they did already prove themselves to be able to heed "request in that language". (minus some Blyat and likewise stuff - which might actually be required for our beloved russian overlords to recognise a conversation has been initiated with them) Personally I would like to not keep it as short, but in exchange for increased volume of text I would love to step up the honest bluntness a little. I