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Well, with all due respect, that sounds a little bit like excuses. "All the reasons i dont need to play the objective!" by Mr. .......... Sure, we can say those things, but Khabas can cap (i have done many times) and they can definatly contest caps. A BB that hasent used any heal by midgame? There IS something wrong there! To passive play, sniping from the 1 line or serious miss positioning (and thats a easy fix). If the enemy team doesnt shoot at you you are WAY to far back! Choose not to use heal anly to gain a couple of second reload? Go straight to CoOp without passing Go and collecting 200 dollars!! (If thats how you play BB.......) And even tho there is 5-6 DDs in the team, the objective is still the objective so all should help with caps, but even IF he doesnt and spend entire match nuking enemy fleet with torps then he got XP and dont need to get punished in this. So the guy im targeting here is the one who is neither helping with caps OR damaging the enemy team (you know that cute little kagero captain spending the entire match sailing around the mapborders to enemy spawn to snipe the enemy CV that isnt even in the freackin game, landing on 336 XP) And THAT guy deserves to spend some quality time in Coop. Imho....

I can support something like this, but there has to be some kind of controll regarding teamdamage, because ive been pink a couple of times last year and every time has been because someone on my team feelt it necessary to pull in infront of me sitting in my smoke spamfocusing a enemy BB in my Kutuzov, Akizuki, Belfast. So this punish system needs to difference between actual purpose teamdamage and lesser accidental. It must be a game based system so players cant abuse the reports. And i would also like to see this getting implemented to all that writes "cancer+mother", gay and racial slurs in chat. I like to see it implemented on T10 BB drivers that finish in bottom of teamscore list beaten by several T8´s. I can see me wanting this for DD players that has zero cap points or defend points in a 3-4 cap dom game. A BB that hasent used atleast 2 heals by the mid game point? And several other situations. Why only afk and teamdamage?

If youre Unicum in CV, thats the way to go. If not i recommend the following ships when its time to put on the carry hard pants. Belfast Akizuki Kutuzov Hindenburg Conqueror These ships i.m.h.o give zero fooks about the team and their performance, they are pretty much a one ship fleet that has their own support systems. You might not be able to pull of a win for youre team, but you will do great carrying regardless.

Any new mentions about when the ships will drop? Even tho it will be weak against DDs and CAs i will still buy this ship because my first love in this game and the first T10 i grinded was the Shimakaze. Unfortunatly Shima just sits in my port and collect dust these days since its hard to make it work with the current meta and nerfs. But Asashio will give me the chance to feel like i play the old Shima again. Always loved that sneaky ninja massive torps spreads attacks in these types of ships.

Damn, the more answers i get the more i start to question if i really should use this ship for trolling since it seems like a really OP ship to do a Carry-build on instead and play more hardcore and serious with. That said i would really like to have a nice troll ships for crap and giggles and this also seems like a great candidate for that. You guys that have grinded passed Alsace to the Republique, is that any good? I was watching a Flambass video where he compared those two and if you just go by that video (and his experience) its seems like T9 is sooo much better then T10? And i really dont like the gun setup on the Republique. Alsace reminds me more of Missouri (which i love) but with crazy OP secondarys (which is a nice gravy.....)

Thanks for all the replys. Interesting that it is so many ways to go here! I feel like Manual secondarys and AFT is a must have for full-troll, but do DE really do much difference? I definatly feel the need to go Preventive maintenance instead of Priority target since i dont want my moduls to get damaged after all this spec. Anyone have experience how strong the AA bouble gets with this secondary build? Is it a No-Fly zone or do you still get dropped. Because im guessing i will need to sit still close to islands to be most effective against pushing fleets.

Wasent there a pretty big deal just a while back that Apple somehow nerfed its older iPhone version to push people to buy the latest model? Yeah, it makes 0 sense to make an old thing feel worse so consumers want to buy the new expensive thing, i totally agree.

I think you need to read my post again. I was questioning how much value you would get from the X and Y in this case, since the ships must always have moved from that position in every situation? So how does this help me cheat? Its like saying, the enemy DD was last spotted at grid D6 so he must be there (even tho that "last spotted thing" is 3 min old). Can you please explain a scenario where a ship sits still at the exact location the game has announced his "last spotted" location? I would argue it is ALWAYS more advantageous to use the shells flying out of a smoke or just simply shoot at a spotted target then trying to calculate using a small minimap and a X and Y formula in the heat of the battle, yes? And the "true intention of the mod" or " its fundamental objective" i believe its hard for you to state unless you're the guy who created it (unless the mod IS called "X marks the spot" "Shoot a the X FFS") As i said, ive used this mod for a year and it never occurred to me this was the intention. Why? Because it would be pretty clear to me this wouldn't work better then using anything else in the game, i use this mod for the direction lines it gives. And as i said, i DONT find this mod useless, i find it very usefull, thats why i use it! I just dont find the use (or cheat) that you guys apparently find in it. Just out of interest, what are you're take on the Navigator and speed mods if you are this upset about this one?

They removed the ship because it was simply to good and pretty much fucked up their economy, they stealth nerfed it many month in advance of the Mushahi launch to make it feel worse and push players more towards the Mushahi. And with a nerfed Missouri the Mushahi wouldnt feel like such a turd next to it. There is simply no carrot for players who own the Missouri to ever grind the Mushahi unless they nerf it a bit. Thats my reasoning and it makes sense in a business standpoint.

As i mentioned many times before im not a stats-guy, but in this case im actually interested. Is their a site or place where i can se a curve of my stats of the Missouri? A curve that tells me how much damage i did a while back and how it looks today? Maybe that could tell me if im just hallucinating thses things.

I did this exact same thread a while back after watching Flambass complain about this and pretty much explain my exact thoughts on the "new" Missouri in his Twitch, and apparently nothing has happened (no ninja nerfs etc etc.), its apparently just a Git Good moment that all old Missouri captains experience! Apparently all T7-10 cruisers should be able to sit perfect broadside to my guns at 4-20k distance and always only eat 4000 damage salvos from 9 guns! That said, i can still bet my salary on they did something to it, why? Because it makes sense! Missouri has always been way to OP with it credit/XP income and it wouldn't make much sense to many to try and grind to the Mushashi while the Missouri is just a so much better ship in all the ways! So i would actually say that it would be a huge mistake by WG is they hadent done anything to try and hype Mushahi and also try and nerf the income making possibility of Missouri. But in the meantime i just try and Git Good...............

I understand youre X/Y argument, my argument is that even IF this is the case, how valuable is it? How many times ingame have you seen a ship stop dead in its tracks at the exact position it drops of detection? If it happens when he disengages, he just sails away and heals up! I other words, this x is useless! It it happens when he smokes up, he drifts away from the place the minimap calls out as his least spotted location. Which means this x is about as usefull as just spamfirering the general area and wait for a hit, so a cheat?! The ones i was talking about is in my world way worse, because they tell you exactly how the ship hull is positioned behind and island which makes blindshots so much easier to make, and blind cits! It shows if a ship that is bow on 15-16k away from you is sitting still, moving forward or moving backwards (which not even the "Switch to torp" trick will tell you). And the line also tells you exactly how a ship that you dont have line of sight to maneuvers. I really have a hard time seeing this as a problem since you will always have better targets to shoot at (thats actually spotted) then trying to perform som magical X versus Y fomula on the fly on a small minimap and then maybe get a hit?! As i stated, ive used this mod for ages and it never EVER occurred to me i could use this x to Cheat-hit someone with. Hallelujah!! THIS!!! I dont get it? So these ships you are talking about never ever fires? They just sit there perfectly still and does nothing? Because IF they fire it should be pretty obvious how you should hit them! There is a tutorial for this on every haft decent WoW Youtubechannel and Twitch.

Ok?! Apparently this IS a thing?! Ive used that mod for ages (because i like the direction line it gives me) and it never EVER accured to me that that little x could actually be "used" to cheat with, because ....... well.... because it sound stupid A.F!! So you are telling me that this is a cheat because IF and i say IF a enemy ship stopped EXACTLY where the "last spotted position" on the minimap is (not drifting one yard after getting unspotted) and you manage by some degree of skill to put that small x on exactly the right spot on that small blobb on the small minimap (or maybe you guys have the minimap in the max A4 paper size) and you take a shot , you can actually get a hit or two without seeing the ship? And of course it goes without saying that you need to do this while being in the action, getting shot by other ships and usually do this while many other spotted enemy ships are visable? Did i understand this correctly? Im not trying to be a douche here but isnt there like 100 other better ways to get a hit on a unspotted ship then this? And one of them is just spamfire the last knowned area like a retard! Because that could actually also give you a hit or two? Isnt shooting 1 cm below and in the middle of the two outgoing shell salvos 100 times better to hit a unspotted ship (if were talking a smoked up one here)? And if were just talking about a ship that has dropped from detection, do they really stop dead in the track at the exact place they dropped from detection? When does this EVER happen? Even ships smoking up glides quite a bit before they stop after they drop from detection so then they actually need to reverse back to sit where the minimap is telling them you were last spotted. I might be a bit daft here, but i have a hard time to see this x being abused and i couldnt see any evidence of it in the videos?! If we just want to hate on the mod pack there is about 10 others that actually give players an advantage ingame. Like the Navigator and the stopsign one that tells direction and speed.

Wait, is this the small x that follows youre sightline on the minimap when you aim close or further back? And this is considered/used as a cheat? Seriously? I hope im wrong here because that x wouldnt give me any more intel then just looking at the action in the game would give me.

Very first game in the Aigle with the 6 point captain, no concealment expert. The ship definatly has potential.

She sounds pretty similar to the Russian Leningrad, how low concealment can you get on her?

Im not entirely sure about that. All the times it been in the shop before i havent had the cash, now i do and i want to spend it/give it to WG, next time it pops up i guess i spent it on some un-WG-related crap.

Sorry for digging up an old thread but do anyone know if this ship is gonna get sold again in the premium shop and when? Why isnt all ships in the shop att all times?! Dont they loose money by just having a few at a time?

Fletcher has best in class torpedoes so definitely go for full torp build. Guns can use the AR buff.

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I like the pink color for a change! It makes me feel more fabulous! Unts unts unts unts!!!

You gotta love these "There is nothing wrong with the Conqueror"-threads! I play the ship regularly and i can only say this, this is the only ship in the game i give zero Fuuuucks about showing my broadside to any other enemy BB and i think ive eaten one maybe two cits in all those matches all together. Usually i just sit full broadside on and just pump out damage. So either it almost impossible to hit the citadel on this crap or 95% of the playerbase just go Full-retard when a full broadsiding ConQ shows up. I lean towards the first possibility. This is the most retard friendly ship in the game, i can literately have a epileptic seizure and smash my face into the keyboard or even a random 10 minutes disconnect during a match and not even should ive taken that much damage during that time (that i cant fix with one push on the heal) but i probably also pumped out 170 k damage during that time. This is truly the weekend warriors dream.

You could argue that Yamamoto has some of the most OP special skills in game already, even tho you need to perform to unlock them (glancing over to my Akizuki with full retard heal and 1.6 second reload on his devastating guns with love in the eyes). But on him those skills are displayed. I too would love to see a description of the special features on the captains. I know Dunkirk and Doe are special but i could never remember who has what and its hard to see the difference on the stats when you dont have full knowledge of what the stats usually are (me for instance dont know how fast turret traverse a ordinary expert marksman gives).

I haven't seen this ship in game yet but dont these torps get spotted like the PA DWT? By planes that fly over them, enemy DDs that pass over them, hydros, etc etc? And sure it seems this ship has best in tier consealment but it can still be spotted by planes, hydro an radar as all other DDs, so i dont really see the big issue. Maybe it will be OP but i do welcome something in the game that can have an effect on the current BB Meta. And besides harassing some BBs that should have some kind of support with planes, hydro, radar and DD spotting/screening i fail to see where this DD can have an impact on the game, since it cant torp DDs and CAs and have limited gunpower.

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