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Please for the love of god don't buy Kitakami when it gets released. Its pretty easy, no one cares of the range of your cruisers torps and you want to shoot them from every position available. If friendly ships is in harm way you shouldn't launch torps to give them a chance to play their role (Destroyers are up front scouting, screening for enemy torps etc), If you do it anyways then just take you punishment like a man. If you want to be torps spammer grow a pair and play torp Destroyer, and take all risks (CVs, hydros, radars, enemy DDs AND friendly cruiser players spamming torps in your back).

And you don't think the torps on a ship like Akizuki has anything to do with her performance? For you to get the same results in this one you would need BBs and CVs to rush you in your fast smokes. So brain part is true for us both I guess. I thought damage and kill focusing won games, but apparently not. I think we just have to agree to disagree about this ship. You guys see one thing in this bote, I dont.

For me it's no big difference between a win in Co-op or 300 BXP, it's still 53 games in T8-9, that was more my issue.

So if the stats of a ship is good but no one can perform good in it we should still consider the ship good? Are you going to play this ship in actual battles or just on your stats page?

I do believe the stats say Smolensk is under performing a bit?

Again. I'm not the guy trying to force an argument by throwing stats, I back up my arguments with a crap ton of videos which is more the just loose words or claims. But if you see the next OP monster in those numbers you are in love with go right ahead and buy the ship, I think you will be very happy together. I'm happy with the ships I play and do very well in. Still no bragging, my stats (as you probably checked up by now) says I'm above average at best. It's the ships that has bragging right here. And apparently it's not common to get Kraken in them.... and why god why would anyone focus on damage and kill farming ....... in this game??? Please take you stats and try and show me some great games in your Fen Yang. I will be waiting with my popcorn. Or are these just empty words (stats)?

Damn, that means I have to re-purchase a crap-ton of T8-9´s and spend a month in Co-Op.......

Before I piss on any ones parade, there is a mod in Aslains modpack that makes it possible to put in good karma for yourself. I have put in 188 for myself. Also pretty easy for players in big clans to boost their own numbers by Division stacking during long play-evenings. Can get enormous numbers that way. Why one would do that is beyond me ..... (e-fallos)?

I'm not really a "stats-guy", I usually don't look up numbers and form my opinion based on that. I see Aki-kind-of guns and Asashio- kind-of-torps and then I look at what I know certain ships can do in battle and go on that. And this is what I, a maybe above average player can do in Akizuki. And even though I excel at playing DDs there is no chance in hell I will get these games playing this new Premium, Fen Yang. Its just different ships with different damage outputs. And regarding smokes, I think you have to add 1 to the Akizuki since you every other game get First blood with Yamamoto captain which ads one more consumable. I could also argue that you can add 1 sec reload and monster zombie heal (70-80%) since you get Kraken a lot as well with Yamamoto captian. I could also argue you probably wont be able to use all those seconds in smoke because you will be scared shitless that someone is just rushing you. This is one of the reasons I haven't gone for Freisland yet, no offensive or defensive torps. But Freis at least has great hydro that will help him survive, Fen Yang wont. So if you guys see the same ships in these stats, good on you and please go ahead and purchase, but I'm not convinced. I will stick to my Yamamoto-Akizuki and my Kraken printing Asashio.

I have to play 53 T8-9 games to knock of enough Steel to get my Somers with a coupon, is that even possible?! Is there 53 T8-9 ships?!

Latest edition with some next level DD tactics.

Hi! Im no super unicum player, I would rate myself a bit above average at best. But im pretty good at IJN Destoyers. T10 Shimakaze was the first T10 I ever grinded back in CBT in 2015 and the line has been my favorite ever since. My most played ships are: T5 Kamikaze R (mostly for trolls) T8 Asashio - One of the best T8 premiums imho (maybe best premium in the game...) T9 Yugumo - A pure Beast. Always TRB build, it's my full Viking build for sure. T10 Shimakaze - Not as powercrept as many think. Probably one of the O.Gś that has been affected the least of the new lines/nations/powercreep. I thought I could try and give some advice to new players struggling with this line overall. Most of my playstyle is compatible to most tiers in this line. First thing every DD player need to understand is DONT GO FOR CAPS THE FIRST THING YOU DO IN A MATCH!!! This will only get you killed and back in port with 200 XP to show for it. This is exactly what the enemy thinks you will do and they will do/send everything they have to kill you. That means Carrier planes, their DDs, their radar cruisers etc etc. So just DONT.... ok? No match is decided on who get a cap in the first 2 minutes of the game. Usually you can wait much longer before even try and cap/contest a cap, the difference is by then the enemy DDs has capped and left, the radar cruisers has left and the Carrier is now focusing on the BBs instead. So then you go in and you survive .... to the end game which WILL DECIDE the game. I will upload videos in this thread if anyone is interested in getting better in said ships or line where I try and explain my thoughts and tactics. The reason behind this is, this is the way I got better in this game. I plowed thru 100´s of videos of the ship I was buying or was about to start playing. I started with their playstyle and then I perfected it into the way I play the ships today. This is my most recent Shima game from just the other day. Shima is still Very relevant and powerful even in this Meta. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise (they just haven't learn how to play them....)  If you have any questions on why I did what I did in some game or my build or my analytics of the team, just ask. If this thread can help a couple of DD players to stay alive past the 5 min mark, it's totally worth it.

Yup. It will allaround suck.

Kitakaze should be played exactly same way as Akizuki. I explain a lot how im thinking during this game, if that can help at all. I have started to do more and more tutorials in my latest IJN DD videos.

Exactly! There is no deterent whatsoever for any DD or cruiser to just push and kill this DD in its smoke. I could probably do it in my Yugumo. Still, it is built for 2 different playstyles. Guns say play as Akizuki but without Akis great powerful torps. DWT say try and play like a Asaship and try and strike the BBs and CVs on the 10 line. What makes Aki great is that ALL it has caters to its gunboat/CQB playstyle. This doesnt. Here it forces you to choose on or the other, with deminisied damage as results. And Def AA hasent been a selling point for me in ages. I hardly use it ever on ships exept for Swedish DDs. Aki IS broken OP. but if you have that I see no reason for you to go for this. If you want to get better results in your Akizuki I have a huge playlist on my channel with First Blood/Kraken Unleased games with Yamamoto captain in Akizuki. Only ship that is more powerful is its bigger sister Kitakaze.

Its the DWT and TRB that made me do that comparison, but I dont really agree with this being a better Akizuki, some things might be but regular torps w TRB is a huge thing regarding Akizukis power. Also short British DD-esk smokes dont give this DD a huge time to damagefarm with these guns if you go for a Gunbuild. And Gunboating in the open it doesnt have speed, range or HP for.

I actually consider to try this out, could almost become versio nof the new RB Italian DD with creeping smoke but instead Kleber will have concealment and speed. Think this could be a real powerful build, Kleber torps is no joke. It will be a speedy verion of the Benham almost. And I dont think it will be such a victim in CQB since it will still have the MBRB to use in a couiple of seconds so its damage output in gun duels DD vs DD will still be more powerful then most I think.

First premium in ages that look somewhat interesting. Have Asashio and its one of my top 3 ship and I consider her to be one of the most powerful premiums in the game in every tier. But owning her I see no real reasons for me to go for this one. Its a new version Asashio with worse concealment and half the damage output. Players should really go for Asashio instead.

I wonder if this will be the best thing that ever happened to DD Mains. Now DD players will have a free pass to not push into those kill boxes called caps and can instead survive and scout and torp the flanks instead. Now submarines will have to push into the caps instead and deal with all the BS DDs has been taking over 5 years. BB Mains will have some issues tho. Now they will have to try and dodge DD (Shima, Harugumo, Daring, Asashio etc etc) torps, also trying to dodge homing torpedos doing Citadel damage while also getting attacked by new upcoming bouncing bombs from a carrier while getting spammed and melted by a invicible Smolensk. Good luck with that! I know I wont push any caps or try and go for a suicide mission to try and spot and kill a submarine in my DD games. I will just patrol the flanks and damage farm like cruisers and BBs has done all these years.

Heres another great example.

Smolensk definatly needs a buff.

May be a bit of a dumb question but how much reset and grind do one have to do to get her? Research beareu have never really interested me until they released this ship. Is it enough with one line reset and regrind? And is it still IJN DDs that are the easiest one to reset?

I overall play quite aggressive, hence all Krakens and first blood with Yamamoto captain, but that is after playing the line for 5 years. Maybe not copy my playstyle at first but start a bit more careful until you get a good feel for the ship and its capacity and then add aggression over time. That would be my tip. Gunlines worst downfall is usually to be to aggressive at start or getting torped in smoke.

Akizuki and Kitakaze are great allrounders with great Guns, torps, smoke, AA. The torpline (Kagero, Yugumo and Shima is harder to master because only have great torps. But when you master them they are Beast.

And of course this where I got: 4 Kills 150 K Damage Witherer First Blood Devestating strike Liquidator In first 5 minutes using my sequence fire of the torp tubes.