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Yeah .... so I did something really stupid! I never played one game with Italian cruisers before. I just didnt feel they was that interesting. Then I saw Potato Qualitys video today about the Venezia and I just Free XP:ed then entire line to T10 Venezia without playing any of the other tiers and this was my first game in it. I kind of like this ship to be honest ! Think this is my new favourite T 10. Was the rest of the line just as good/fun?

I for one would never take recommendations on captain builds from Notser, iChase or Zoup. If I want viable builds I go see Flamu or Flambass.

Dude, if you dont enjoy facing broken, OP, unbalanced Carriers then why are you playing "World of Carriers"?! You should really try and find another game with "Ships" in the title .... man!!

It will make a comeback on Crack!! Unfortunately WG wouldn't give it to just some since they want a huge cash grab and even if they did it would probably just midigate the problem. Im pretty Beast at DDs but even I would be verycautiouss playing this just for the friendly damage potential. Im not as sure. Ols Kitakami was this , with its short-range torps, low HP, low armor and bad concealment. But now WG gave it smokes, longer range torps and I can just see before me it will have same armor as Smolensk so almost no one can punish it. I dont think it has the suicide potential as the old one. WG balancing it to its playerbase skill as everything lately. Its just as retarded as Dead Eye for the new Meta. This will make sure that no one, not even DDs will push any caps because who wants to deal with CVs and 120 torps coming in a perfect criss cross pattern. Guessing this is a good point for WG to release submarines which will be the only ones playing the center of the map in the future. I will defiantly make a Freisland - Kitakami - Kitakami Division when it gets released and just cover the map with HE Alpha and torps while sitting in permanent smokes and long range hydro. Fun for the whole family! These ships will just sit at mid range and sail around in figure 8s while spamming both side torps down range at every turn. It's a stupid decision and that's why I'm Sure WG will release it. Just like CV Rework, Smolensk, Thunderer, Dead Eye, The whole captain rework for more "different builds", soon submarines, etc etc.

Been there done that..... Its hilarious when it works but its hard A-F in this long range/radar/CV meta.

Hey! Im starting to get some coal again and I cant decide if I want to get Lutjens for my Hinden, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and T-61 or get the Pommern. I know I will get much value out of Lutjens but then again I love the somewhat brawly playstyle of German torp BBs and I also saw Potato Qualitys video where he pretty much dominated in last T9 ranked in it. That said I know its been somewhat nerfed in latest patch and maybe not as strong in the current 24 km Dead Eye meta, but what do you Pommern owners think? Im guessing its gonna be a while before WG takes away Pommern so I could probably take Lutjens first and then earn more coal to get Pommern.

Im somewhat of a Asashio affezionato and I tried the 16 km build so many times but always gone back to 20 km. 2 out of my 3 Solo warriors is in the Asashio and I cant tell you how many random torp hits i gotten on unspotted BBs and CVs (even CVs sunk) at 17-20 km away. I never really felt the difference in speed while playing. That said I followed Flamus advice in his latest Halland video to test the T2 torp speed to get 95 knots on Halland and DAAAAWMN those are lasers now.

My problem with WG putting Kitakami back in the game is its just a fast cash grab for them but it will get a lot of problems for us players. Back in the day it was a Meme. A ship that could stealth torp, had no smoke and no HP. It was so situational it killed more friendly's then reds. Now they give it smoke and stealth torping? Its just Gonne be another thing that will ruin the game and the experience for old and new players just as CVs and Dead Eye. I as a DD Main know that the second these things start to flood the servers is the day I as a DD will stop Capping and spotting. Because its no fun trying to take a cape and a friendly fucktard in a Kitakami pulls up and drops 40 torps up you keister. I will be out on the flank torping the BBs and let you sort out the caps.

I have Legendary 21 captains for all other nations except Germany and I do like to play Berman brawling BBs such as Sharn and Tirpitz and if this was before Cap rework and Secondary nerfs I would probably go Pommern first 100 %, but due to nerfs of Pommern and the Ability to now Slot Lutjens with specialized build on my Scharn, Tirpitz, T-61 and Hinden and prock his talents on them all kind of changed that. And the answers in this thread mount up to about 50 - 50 either way so its not a easy decision. Been playing Hinden a bit for the first time in ages after the rework and gotten 180-220 K games so Lutjens would be very nice in that. Im also one of those players that haven't totally given up on secondary builds as well, been trying with Scharn after Potato Quality's recommendation a bit. So hard decision.

Im guessing that after 10 rocketstrikes new Russian CV Legendary captain till prock the MOAB from Call of Duty (Mother of all BOMBS) and the game will end. Probably EMP Bursts as well making all ships sit dead in the water. Fun times......

Russian Carriers ........? Be afraid ...... be very afraid .......

I think just as many thing in the game, its broken OP but at the same time balanced by the skillevel of the playerbase...... This is Broken/OP Dead Eye Thunderer For some reason I keep seeing those Thunderer and the rest of the Dead Eye T10 BBs at the bottom of the scorelist with 5 or 600 XP So question, how OP can it be? If only like 5 % of the playerbase can actually get it to work? Same as Smolensk spreadsheets, to many unskilled played it so stats said one thing.

I wouldn't single out DD players the same way you do, but that is just me. I would consider the either totally passive/non contributing playstyle or total Yolo in and die first 3-4 min playstyle you see in most T10 Bb players these days are just as devastating to the chance of winning. I'm pretty Beast at playing DDs and are most often top of the scoreboard and still alive at the end of the game but even I can't carry 3-4-5 total potato's in T10 BBs no matter how skilled I play in the game. Games such as these for example. This is the kind of players skills you see in T 10 BBs these days. And if you get a bad CV player and the other team gets a great one? Forget about it! Doesn't matter i half your team consist of Flamus and Flabass, you still loose because CV balance comrade. Im not saying DD players matter, they do. Often the team that can have their DDs alive half way thru the game will win, but they are far from the only thing. But all this said, you cant control the skill level of the players and WG doesn't care at all so just pad you stats and damage farm and get some good XP and credits and hope for a miracle next round, like me .....

Not on German, but I have boosted my 5 of my legendarys up to 21 so far, Cunninham, Yamamoto, Kuznetzov, Jerzy and Halsey. But could probably boost him quite well also if I got him. Seems many have different views on how good/bad the secondary ships are right now. Before I would have agreed with you, but now when you can have Legendary captains on 4-5-6 different ships and trigger his talents on all I think its worth the coal. Same here. Have 5 legendarys at 21 point and those are the only ones I use now, which is pretty great. Thats why I think Lutjens would be great on my Scharn, T-61, Tirpitz and Hinden. Hinden This! I have been very naughty (specially if you ask my permanent chat-ban.........)

Game has been broken a long while (CV ´s). last patch just made one of the wheels fall of.

How did you know it was untargeted? Most times you get hit by enemy torps can be counted as "random", unless you were planning on it to hit you and you just dove on it. I have gotten hundreds of kills on ships just using situational awareness, skills, RPF, ability to foresee enemy movements. Should I get punished for that? How about torping a Smolensk sitting in smoke HE spamming? That is a untargeted torp hit, I didn't have a lock on him?

Im not saying there is no potato DD players in the game, there is. But have you considered how many potato/suicidal/noob players there are in cruisers, BBs and CVs? Its not like the game is pushing noobs and players to lazy to learn the game mechanics towards DDs. They are pushing them towards BBs that can sit on the one line and tank for hours and maybe even show broadside and not get punished etc etc. Pushing them to play CVs because then you dont have to worry about anything and can just sit in corner entire game and just spam rockets. Usually players have to try hard 3 times more just to decide to jump into a DD rather then a cruiser and BB. Maybe the reason is why you react so much just to DDs dying is that there are so many more things in this game designed to take out a DD then long-range cruisers and BBs? DDs also having a shitty HP pool and usually no heals? Maybe the guys playing the cruisers and BBs are much much more potato's and suicidals the DD guy but it just takes them longer to suicide and die because of their range away from the battle and all their HP and heals? And no, you can't do anything about any potato team, just farm damage and move on. This game doesn't promote to actually learn and get better at the game and this game doesn't promote teamworks. That is the fundamental flaw. You can buy a T10 Premium Yamato and just start to play, don't need any skills at all. You can get to rank 1 in ranked while having a massive stroke, because you just need to push that battle button enough times and get carried by better players and you are at rank 1. A DD can cap and spott all game and get no reward for it while Yamato sits and just farm for him self in the corner all game and he can end up nr 1 without any help to team. What I seen more and more after last patch is DDs doing all work and even surviing to end whila all those "OP Dead Eye Thunderer, Conqueror and Yamatos" sit with 4-600 XP in the bottom of the teamlist. I have no clue how my Halland that does mostly chip/tickle damage can out damage all those T10 Dead Eye BBs time after time after time again.

Deal with it? you can't! DDs are without a doubt the hardest class to play well. Many play DDs but most of them push right into the caps at start, get chocked that there suddenly are 3 radar cruisers, a Smolensk and a T10 CV on their head, panic, pop smoke even tho they are radared and they get blapped and died. If they for some strange reason doesn't Yolo straight into those Killboxes called caps, usually 70 & of the rest of the team (cruisers and BBs) call them fags, [edited], glueeaters etc etc etc and reports them for not contesting caps in the first minutes. The small majority of good DD players, well, we usually die just because we don't get any backup or help from our teammates (cruisers and BBs). We cant get cruisers and BBs to shoot at Spotted DDs and radar cruisers to save our lifes even tho they are spotted and we ping the 100 times, they much rather do chip damage to a conqueror 19 km away. The game doesn't promote teamplay, last update with DeadEye should make that clear. And with no teamwork and majority of players at T10 lack basic knowledge about the game it's hard for DDs to survive with all enemy DDs, radars , hydros, CVs etc etc etc. What I as a DD main see most is that the team who atleast have 4-5 players that actually push together and supports their DDs usually win the game for their team, but that sight is rare.

I quite enjoyed when players was divving up in CV + 2 range BBs and blapped enemy CV in first 2 min. Everything that ruins the day for CVs, im all for it. But this game has been heading right down the toilet for a long while now. I can play about 5% of all my ships in my port. the rest would just give me grief and anger issues and im not playing games to get that. So 95 & of my ships is useless in this Meta. And soon WG will try to sell me on grinding submarines.

Exactly! It wasn't "Im sorry I fucked up" it was "You misinterpreted what i said" and that is complete BS! And then he tries to just iron it out with "well cv planes can spot the BBs and then you can just push in and kill them......" and all other BS. If he is so exhausted then PLS FFS stop making videos and focus on you real job and twin babies. No one (to my knowledge) holds a gun to his head and force him to make a video on the most talked about skill in the end. And if he is unsure of anything he can use his special CC channels to talk to WG before he makes a complete potato out of himself. His answer is like out of the Trump Capitolium textbook. "Hey they just misinterpreted my hate speech....:"

Seriously? the same kind of half assed excuse that WG usually puts out. "I wasn't wrong .... per seeey ....but ......" He might end up getting a job at WG!! And he hasn't taken down the incorrect video either so he continues to spread false information?! WG at least deletes bad information when it gotten them into trouble. 0:45 It has to be a enemy SPOTTED ship, kind of a important detail..... So PLEASE try and Yolo rush into a DeadEye Thunderer sitting on the enemy backline and sit spotted within his 12 km concealment to negate his skill. So just to be clear, not even 5 DDs circeling this Thunderer within his 12 km would negate this skill until one of them break cover. If he smokes up, then skill is active again. 0:56 "Having aircrafts in the air keeps those BBs spotted" Yeah, so does them firing Dead Eye HE salvos at you very 20-13 seconds as well! So what's the point about CV aircrafts? And good use of CVs BTW! Use those broken OP ships to just keep those pesky Dead Eye BBs spotted. As a DD main I actually like this suggestion, keep them away from DDs and caps. 1:20 And again .... his suggestion to push into them in a BB?! How? If they sit and camp on the 1-line you need to push right into their spawn considering Thunderer concealment is 12 km. Heard of focusfire? Heard of crossfires? Heard of enemy CVs blapping you? Heard of DDs blapping you with torps? I would love to see No Zoup try this himself in T10 random. I really would. "Sorry if you didn't understand that clearly"? understand what? You said the exact opposite and that we all understood. And don't give me [edited] about lack of sleep and babys, its not like anyone holding a gun to his head to put out misinformed videos about the most talked about skill in the entire game. 1:46 NOOOOO! Having CV planes around to spot DOESNT help your team to negate that skill?!?! FFS man! Unless said team just YOLO-rush into those BBs 12 km concealment and dies, yes then your planes helped your teammate to die fast. 2:19 Seriously, what babbling [edited] im I listening to? "Ooh the first salvo is the worst, then you can react to their DeadEye", how? They will keep on spamming you with insane accuracy every time you take a shot and get spotted! how can you negate this, going dark for 3-4 min to re-position to other side just to face 2-3 other Thunderers/other Bbs w DeadEye? AAAAnnnd no! CVs isnt any more important now then they were before regarding Dead Eye. All the BBs are clumped together sharing AA bubbles and now days most Cruisers are sitting there as well since they get blapped by Dead eye if they even get close to middle map. Nobody would care if this was about any of the AA skjills, because noone in their right mind would ever consider th0ose since WG broke AA. But he choosed to do a video of the most OP/popular/most talked about/All other CCs say this is mandatory on ALL BBS, and he gets it completely wrong.

Finally I can start to earn a bit of Elite Captain XP again! Also good that it is on Cunningham which I think beside Kuznetsov is one of the more OP commanders and who I use on both Daring, Cossack, Thunderer, Nelson, Duke of York and Belfast, Exeter and London. So running these ships with commander camo and flags should give me some return. What I did was just to Dismiss a lot of wasted 10-14 point commanders that was collecting dust in port from all nations using the ingame credit option and Boom 1.2 Million Elite XP. Wont miss those dismissed captains since my 19-20 points Legendary captains with their extra bonuses and triggers, has taken their places on 4-5 or 6 ships in their respective nation. I could probably boost my Kuznetzov to 21 as well, who need lazy captains and credits.....

This is my issue as well. Have a lot of German premiums (Tirpitz, Scharnhorst, Graaf, T-61 etc) so in one way I would love Lutjens on them. That said I love the playstyle of my Tirpitz and Scharn (a bit brawly w secondarys and torps) and Pommerns seemed a great T 9 version of that. That said im not sure how good Pommern is after this nerf to secondarys and how good my former brawly playstyle is in this new Meta?

Can u put up a pic of your build? I would love to try it out. Miss my Secondary specced Georgia and Mass.

Oh........My......:God! This was even worse then I thought. How is this guy a CC?! Dont they have any kind of quality control? This is not information you need to go thru systemfiles to see, it says in plain text how it works? And also great for the game that he tells BB players to just push straight into 1-line camping Dead Eye HE spamming Thunderers, because thet will make their skill useless?!? They wont even make it half way? And PLS dont tell DDs to go on even more suicide missions into enemy spawn to just spot those Dead eye BBs .... They will die!!! We dont need MOre suiciding DDs in T10.