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Naah, im leaning towards "working as intended" So youre saying Modstation created by WeeGee cant be used in WeeGees game if you actually want to see CV planes in battle? So they dont test with their own mods? What im I saying?! Testing.....? WG.....? Not that surprised.

Of course its intended! CVs now have stealthplanes so the regular players cant activate priority sector correctly. Apparenty there was a CV player that lost 1 plane to this so it had to be balanced out

Its just a ship adapting to Dead Eye Meta. Hinden was always strong, but with Dead Eye Meta most Hinden players changes their build from DPM to range and can now sit comfortably at 21.6 km? range and even further (23-24 km?) with spotter plane and land most shots on BBs sitting on the A line. Most even taken the 2-point spotted skill that grants you 7 spotter planes during a match, to burn down every BB trying to flee from you. With Dead Eye gone, the Meta wont change that much (Thanks for ruining the game WG) and Hindenplayers will just bypass most BS ingame and still sit at 21 km and burn crap down. So played right a Hinden sits and burn down BBs for most of the match and then in the late game, when all BBs are dead they push in with high DPM, great AP, Great torps and hydro to kill of DDs and cruisers. 50 K out of the GK 50 K out of the other GK 70 K out of Thunderer 25 K out of other Thunderer And only 9 fires this game. What damage would I have gotten with some better RNG? But Thunderer is still worse tho

Fjords because im Swedish.

Since WG take all their feedback from spreadsheets and the only react to stuf that effect their precious CVs and no feedback at all from their playerbase, secondarys is probably dead and buried. WG went from a great skills system, reworked it to offer more diverse builds with the effect that we went from having 3-4 viable and fun builds that cost 19 point to what we have today, which is 1... ... I say again ....ONE viable and very un-fun build (meeh tank build) that costs 21 points!?!?! So they managed to fail at epic proportions and screwing the playerbase in the progress. And some players still just pour their money into this company for some reason..... I would very much sell my account will ALL banned Premiums (Missouri, Kutuzov, Smolensk, Jean Bart, Thunderer, Kamikaze R, Belfast, Asashio etc etc) in it to a new player but that is of course against the rules. So im stuck playing a game that I care less and less about. Mostly just play the most OP/hates ships like Smolensk and Thunderer and just damage farm because trying to play a "normal" ship in this OP ship Fiesta with extra OP/unbalanced CVs on top is just boring and aggrevating. At least with those ships I can burn crap down and just buff my score Im a DD main and only DDs I play these days out of them all is 2 Halland - that can semi-sheiiit on CVs and 16 km torps that outrange every WG BS stealthradar. Asashio - 20 km hard hitting torps and smokes for BS CVs. Both of which can place me far at tge back and far away from Killboxes like caps. For some reason im always the only DD alive in the end of the match ..... go figure. So fun times being a DD main......well any main exept CV for that matter. Maybe the right thing to do ia to save up my steele and become a FDR Main and just crap on everything while taking zero risk?! With the players/teams you get at T10 these days its hardy worth it to even try to win, that usually juat result in permanent Chat bans. So juat sit back at range and burn down crap and dont care to win or loose or support your teammates is the new Meta.

From WOWs Reddit It would be funny if it wasent so sad for us the playerbase. I totally see where their brilliant idea of copy-pasting "Swift in Silence" in as a BB skill came from. In their universe, that is actually a viable build..... Regarding the whole "Dead Eye is Gone" -thing I must agree with Potato Quality in his video below. I dont think anything about the "Dead eye Meta" will change with Dead eye being gone from the game. Just as he says I think Dead eye just sealed a thing that has been coming a long time ago (long range camping style) with the CV rework, Conqueror/Thunderer editions to the game, long range HE spam etc etc. BBs with totally dead secondary build will continue to snipe from the 10 line just with poorer accuracy. Thunderer with definatly continue to HE spam with almost same accurace but now from 23 km range instead of 24 km. "WoHooo"!! He actually has some great ideas on what new skills they could implement ..... instead of "Swift in Silence"..... Imagine what great amazing skill tree we could have gotten, if WG actually listen to their CCs and playerbase. So all WG did was to piss of everyone with the rework and Dead Eye, and now change rework so instead of more viable builds we had before rework (tank, snipe, secondary brawl etc) we have only one viable left, and thats a much more costly tank build?! So was this rework a great new edition to the game? Or just another way for WG to bend us over and ......?

Sorry, had totally missed that thread.

Hell NO!! Not worth it. New German DDs seems very meeh. Only dockyard event I would invest money/dabloons in would be to build Benham. Otherwise just waste of money.

This game was a year ago so before captain rework. Now I run my Shima captain on it with full torp build with faster reload and faster torps. But haven't played it since rework. It's absolutely one of the most OP ships in the game tier for tier. Specially with a 21-point captain (which you do now days) and with all new players at T5 sailing in straight lines.

This! Only have LoYang and I think its pretty good at T8 with its smoke and hydro, decent concealment. ALso running the suicide torps since half the time you launch is in a cap against a contesting DD.

Regarding FDR, think Spreadsheets say all the Yamatos and Conquerors in this match had a fun and engaging experience. This is Flambass that is no CV main at all and also flying and eating every flack cloud he sees. Sometimes I just wonder if I should sell my account with all the best premium surface ships and create a new where I only buy FDR and then just release all the toxic I can in every match with the CV. A kind of "If you cant beat them join them" (CV Masterrace) moment. And yes, I know its against the rules to sell accounts, but that is what WG is pushing their playerbase.

So just putting all the WG BS Douschy move with no free respec for all aside for a second, what exactly do WG see us building for now in the BB line?!?! Now when they effectively killed of both Dead eye and Secondary builds? Only thing left is somewhat shitty, way more expansive tank build? So good job there WG for making more different builds for classes! Swift in silence for BBs? Thats really the best you could do? I could have pulled way better things out of my Äss in a second but this just shows how disconnected you are and the fact that you never play your own game. Couldnt had copy paste something actually usable from the other classes?? And of course no love for the secondary build?! So WG is fine with this? Dead Eye meta will remain even without the skill because pushing in with any type of secondary build is useless. So again, gj there WG! Why not actually implement some skills that would promote pushing in and tanking/supporting in your BBs and cruisers. Makes for a more fun and engaging gameplay right? That one in a hundred game you get when both teams are commited and pushing and helping each other in completing objectives is so fun that I always giva all types of love in ingame chat to both team, no matter if we won or lost, and giving out complements to even players on enemy team that actually got you to step up and use all your skills. But why don't WG want this experience for their playerbase? Do they thing we are all dumb and simple persons?? Why not speed up reload or even nerf fires for BBs that are close to caps or friendly DDs? There is a reason why games like PubG and Fortnite has a gas cloud that forces players to go into the center, it makes for a fun game. But WG remains clueless to all this. How about playes being on the outer lines after 8 min gets damage over minute? Maybe give players close to caps/objectives a percentage heal?? Do you guys enjoy about 90 & of your games today? I sure not, but then that game happens where you just get that insane rush of adrenaline! Why players still waste their money on this company is still baffling to me. Just take the free crap and play for free and don't invest any more into this BS.

This! I just wonder in how many ways these "Support carriers" will be able to just crap on all the other classes...... WG will find ways, they always do.

So im almost at 230 K Coal and was eyeballin the Pommern since I kind of Love and has never really given up on the whole secondary brawl BB playstyle even tho WGs gone out of their way to kill it off and promote their campy Dead eye Meta. But then I just realized Naustra is avalable for 300 K Coal and since I am a DD main I should probably consider that instead. I have looked at a lot of videos and not counting the good concealment and zombie heal it feels kind of Meeh. Really bad DPM, mediocre AA, only 10 km torps at a tier with 12 km radars everywhere. Even Flamu in his review from 1 year ago ssid it was not worth the steele in that case. So is it worth the 300 K Coal? Is it a better buy then the 230 K Pommern? And why the 300 K? There is a lpt other both T9 and T10 in the Armoury for 230 K?! Why is Naustra so special priced?

Problem is I would always compare it to my other T9 Premium BBs, Jean Bart and Georgia which I get Monster/Kraken games in very often. So if I feel the urge to play a T9 BB I would take any of those over this every day in the week. Feel a bit douschy to complain about a free gifted Premium, but this is really the last one I wanted to get. Probably had gotten more fun out of the Makarov instead.

I haven't been impressed by Marceau what I have seen so far, is she a big upgrade from Kleber? Because Kleber is one of my least played T10 DDs.

Probably will have to try her, just dont get what she is about?

Marco Polo

Hindenburg! Skip to 16:15 .......

"That ship has sailed ......"

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/236832-math-behind-secondaries-nerf/?page=7&tab=comments#comment-5421719

Ran into @TheSailingRobin the other night. Did what I could to suppress him behind an island but he still ended up on top of his team.

Im somewhat active on NA and im pretty sure I saw an answer from her in some thread that there wasn't any point for her to do all that job since they will probably change up a lot again.

My best Halland game so far. Solo Warrior, 240 K Damage, Confederate, High Caliber

Apparently its a pretty huge bug in the ship.