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Arms race IS Epicenter but on steroids. So instead of just playing for an epicenter ytou make DDs suicide at start for buffs and then one team receives majority of all buffs and then its ends in Epicenter. So WG just took a game mode that everyone hates (Epicenter) and then changed it so it would follow the formula of that other thing everyone hates (games ended quickly) ..... and we have ARMS RACE ... sheiit show 2.0 Enjoy! Im just wondering why they even have different modes at all? Why not just cram everything into Randoms que? Ranked, operations, Coop! Easy fix and it seems some in this thread wouldn't have a problem with that. Just load your (insert ship name here) with flags and boosters and suddenly enjoy a 4 min Coop game.... Cool right? Why not?! Its a new and exciting thing, right? Silent majority and spreadsheets say so. Is that YOU pretending to speak for Everyone.....? I didn't thing YOU would do such a thing..... Im probably just crap faced ...... it happens....

1. Wonder why? Have you seen the forums? Im not alone. Maybe you that "silent mayority" WG keeps talking about?? And actually I quite LOVED the change when they allowed my to use my 21 point Legendary captain on every ship I play. Also since every change is to make us forced to spend money in a free to play game .... yeah I think I might be on to something. 2. Unnecessary? 3. Cool! So, you love to play games where you chose a ship because reasons and then just happen to land in some completely other type of game style where you just end up loosing credits, XP, flags, boosters. Idk about you but I would actually chose completely different ships for standard and random and Arms race and Airship, but if you dont then good on you mate. Im apparently not speaking for you but again ... see the thread and see the forum. 4. Lets agree to disagree. None of us will make the other see their point.

Well, from your previous post I gathered that you're playing DD but you dont go in Airship circle or go for mid buffs?

So, your airship isn't moving at all then? Or is it a ghostship escorting it, or do you find a BB player willing to risk all by doing that job. So your team dont get all the valuable buffs in the middle of them map then? Id say its hard to win in Arms race if you ignore the buffs and just play like a normal DD would.

I totally agree, its a clusterfoook of epic proportions and apparent to everyone actually playing this game. Same goes for Arms race. Both these modes will force even good DD players to play a certain way that is stupid A-F, like going for buffs middle of the map at game start or sailing in a perfect visible to both teams circle and sailing along a perfect visible to both teams path in Airship escort, that they NEVER would have taken in a regular randoms game. So WG pretty much say to all DD players "Go in and suicide for buffs or airship speed or just hand the win over to the enemy team". Its not really hard for all the rest of the team to know where to pre-aim, torp, send planes .... and there is a dead DD. So, DDs suicide even faster than they do in regular randoms and it snowballs into even faster games then we already suffer from in T10. And we all lose all our eco buffs and flags...... WG tries to "fix" the problem with 5 min steamroll matches by adjusting some score numbers for ship sunk in todays update, its like trying to fix Titanic by putting a band aid on it, or when they "nerfed" old OP Kremlin by adjusting its AA .... like it was Kremlins OP AA that was the problem, or when they "nerfed" the torps on old OP Khaba ... and ALL the Khaba players was like "This ship have torps...?!?" Maybe instead stop forcing DDs to play in a stupid suicidal manor or stop putting stupid gimmicky modes into randoms. Its not hard to understand if you play this game that the team that loses their DDs first will soon lose the entire game. I can enjoy both Arms race and Airship escort if they were unique modes outside randoms because then you could choose if you want to waste youre eco buffs and flags to play a match and more important you can chose a good ship for that mode, For instance, if I would know that I would play one of these modes I would NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE chose to play a DD. I would choose a strong long-range spammer or OP bote like Annapolis. Another example, Jinan sucks monkeybawwls in random, to short armaments, but in Airship escorts it shines like there is no tomorrow, spamming this nasty DW torps with reload booster into that perfectly marked path, its great. But of course, by forcing players to play these modes in random (that they never choosed btw) will force them to waste a lot of pricy eco buffs and flags on whet will result in shitty 5 min steamroll games where even winning team will have crappy damage and XP, which will make players have to buy more flags and buffs to waste in new games with same lame results. They could rename Arms race "DD suicide mode 1" and Airship escort "DD suicide mode 2", because thats what they are, but I guess thats not as "catchy"..... These to modes could maybe work in randoms if WG at the same time introduced that shrinking gas cloud from PUBG so the BBs and cruisers also needs to suicide in for the buffs or circles as well instead of like what you see every game now, there are heading away from the directive and trying to sail out of the map while there DDs lose their life in the center. No more 10-line camping with full HP and 4 un-used heals.

I thought this update would bring both Kunming (New Super YouYang) and Russian Super CV Sekiryu? But Seki and new Russian Super BB Ushakov will be released (is there a reason why the CV is 10 million credits cheaper then then BB btw....?!). Does anyone know when Kunming gets released? Only found this in an old article

Yeah sorry, i mixed them up a bit, ment Russian. Sweet, tnx for the info.

Best "Come Back" stories of them all.....

Yup, and soon we probably see an overpriced bundle with some crap that will reverse this economic nerf, create the problem and sell the solution ...... probably more boosters for doubloons etc etc. Thats way to early for an important mechanic like that, that could actually make this game better! They need to test it in different modes first for a couple of updates, in and out of PTS a couple of years, give it to Supertesters .... back to drawing board ...... nerf it a bit ..... test it again .... look at some spreadsheets ..... talk to the silent majority ..... back to testing ....... My money is on maybe early 2050

So pretty much Forget to EVER save a star in Ranked in the future, this will only go to CV and Sub-Guy. Cool! Another reason to never tough that mode again.

Nope, if anything this will increase suicides for DDs since they will compete with subs, CV, and hybrids for this extra earnings and these 3 have "getout-of-jail-take-no-damage" free cards while DDs just die. Also since WG thinks its good to cram new BS modes into randoms like Arms Race and soon Airships escorts which really just should be renamed "DD suicide 1" and "DD suicide 2" mode (but im guessing it wasent as "Catchy") it will only increase in the future. Fixed a typo. Hey, they tried to balance CVs for 7 years going on 8 so im not holding my breath on this is the final "try" for economics.

Dont know if im reading this wrong (WG communications ... it happens....) but doesn't this seem like a even further buff for that BS Submarine XP buff that I showed in the new Ranked season-thread?! Where I did nothing in a sub and got insane XP and top of the team? So, this will just buff that even more than the stupid level it is right now and also buff XP for CV players as well while taking a huge dump on all the "real"/surface ships players? Not really surprising to be honest, WG has never been unclear on what classes they prioritize.

Un-interesting Mountbatten aside, I would throw Tromp into the mix. Got a bit hyped/fooled by the videos and talks, bought it and its pretty much a turd imho. Its a DD with only half decent conceal but no survivability. Its almost as maneuverable and fast as T10 IJN BB Yamato .... but a DD (Not quoting stats (before you start to) but more the feeling playing it). You have no heals and no smoke and if you get caught out your dead. Turns like a brick, slow and a little AA fireshow ... for show.... Could get a good game when all stars Aline and the reds push you with none of the 200 Hydro BBs or a screening DD (which happens a lot ....). No HP or maneuverability for open water gun boating. No way to disengage. So you're mostly restricted to bad torps and somewhat hard to lead airstrikes (unless bow tanking BBs).

Aah ... sweet! Starting to feel more and more like Jingles each day ...... So, 675 300 XP for entire Haru-line, good to know. I have never really looked at Colbert before but since it has quite a high skill floor and ceiling it is quite interesting. Feels a bit like a Marceau on steroids?! Like, if you can dodge in this you can dodge in everything.

Do you need to mark them 2 and 2 and go thru the line and add up or am im doing it wrong?! I think I got 653 800 XP for the entire line then, is that also included all the base upgrades that you need to take to get to the next tier?

Most of those I face seems to think they are CVs (sit behind an island all game) probably wallet warriors that buy new shiny thing without understanding what it is. Not looking forward to when the skilled players start playing them tho.

Ok, thanks! So the first time around I dont collect the RBP for the higher tier ships, but when I do it all over the second time i buy and play and get both points for both grinds?

Im always confused when it comes to RB things. Do I understand it correctly if: I should have a ton of Free XP (not sure what the Haru lines times 2 costs). I should then reset Haru line a couple of days before the x2 reset times Free XP the entire line and play a couple of games without commanders in the tiers that are required to earn XP or win to get the RB points. Get the full RB value from the first reset. wait for the reset of the x2 period. Reset the Haru line once more and Free XP it again and do nr 3 one again Is this correct? Is there something you can do that are more efficient?! What is the full amount for doing 2 full x2 re-grinds? 40 K? Im looking at Colbert right now but only have 6000 RB so missing about 51 000 .......

Never watch streams, never on Twitch, only watching the tubes. The Mighty Jingles - Is pretty chill and are good at telling stories even tho he usually gets half of them wrong (ship names). Mr Gibbons - See him mostly in Flambass/Trenlass videos but like his grumpy old fart style MalteseKnight - Good videos but have a hard time with his uncontrollable OCD/Tourette's scream every other minute, sometimes I mute him and just watch the gameplay Flambass - Great videos and good to watch to learn how to play different ships. Flamu - Great videos for learning how to play ships and what not to do, good for keeping tabs on WG mistakes/decisions/bad coding/new machanics/broken mechanics/upcoming features etc etc. Good ship guides and builds. Some think hes very toxic and he probably is, but im pretty toxic also when playing with this "I dont care its only a game" "I can sit on the border and sulk because im a huge man-child" "I just press W and die in 3 min" - kind of player base. Trenlass - Same as Flambass only German, but we dont hold that against him. Sailing Robin - Good games in cool looking edited videos Quality Potato - Good guides CarbineCarlito - Good guides on upcoming ships etc. The NA ones (Notser, No Soup etc) I have Zero confidence in.

Not that I really give a sheeiit, haven't gone near Ranked in years. But isn't Flamu a bit on point here? For people who wont watch his videos, hes talking about the upcoming ranked where ALL ship types will be allowed, and best base XP earner on loosing team will save his star in all leagues. Which, with that total BS "hidden" XP Boosters that Submarines enjoy, it will mean that the Sub-guy will be saving his star in all loss matches (which he will probably have been a big contributor to). Because I have had many matches where I have done jack sheeiit, only spamming pings, no damage done where I ended up top in the loosing team in a submarine. So have fun playing ranked with ALL the CVs, new US hybrids and Subs, where only the subs will be saving any stars ... or possibly the CV guy.

Not all players are good but if its a good player it can be devastating The ship prints Kraken Unleashed like there is no tomorrow!

I feel exactly the same! Dont know why I haven't used the Ignore function before?! This will free up a lot of valuable time spent trying to discuss with lamp posts (or fake/troll accounts .... WG....)

Its hard to collect rewards if you never climb in the ranks, and for that you Need stars.

Another good example in T10. Top scorer in a T10 game with 49 K damage ...... 49 ..... in T10.... Almost 3000 Base XP btw. Sure 2 kills but I didn't do much damage to them, 49 K damage overall ... 3000 base XP in Random T10. Outperforming a: Des Moines Ragnar Ohio Conqueror 2 GK´s Yamato ...... with 49 K damage ..... and I even HATE playing Subs, they are boring A-F and you feel totally disconnected to the team and anything happening in the game on the surface. I would definitely play ONLY Subs in Ranked IF I ever bothered with that game mode.

Yes, here´s one of my own games in U-2501 where I got more than 11 000 XP and over 2100 Base XP in a game where I did ZERO Damage. Ending up second on the winning team with ZERO damage, just some pings. Not even great spotting since there was a Mega OP Eagle in the match (whom I also outscored some way). Also big damage farmers like Smolensk and Annapolis. So not hard getting good score in randoms. I have a hard time thinking they wont have it easier in Ranked to get nr.1 since its far less players and less skilled players. But as I said, not my problem anymore, never play that crap, just figured it could be good for people still playing ranked to know.