Unintentional_submarine

Not an idea in the world... however let's take a look back in the past. That's more than a year ago. Sounds familiar right? It does focus more on competitions, but communications are also part of it. Look how far we have come from those days. It's like night and day. Ev1n posts at odd intervals, and that's about it.

I highlighted the section... but I'll include it again. Making things easier for T3 and 4 and then carry that through to t5 can only mean one thing to me. That the things that were implemented to protect the previous two tiers now also protect T5. I'm glad that you don't think that's what should be done, but you really did lay it out like that.

Are you suggesting that T5 get the same rules that T4 gets? I'm afraid that is just pushing the snow pile before you. It only makes it so that T6 always faces T8, and T7 pretty much also always faces T8 (since it's can then only be top tier in a pure T6-7 match). That would only increase the impact of this problem as T5 has been on the decrease for a time and T7-8 were already increasing in population before this change. No, the solution is to not continue down this path, and instead step back. Yes, facing T6 in T4 is painful, however you are quickly finished with T4. Better to get 'the pain out' sooner than later, as later means it will be much longer.

It can happen! Halleluja! But yeah, I sort of expected some games to have had it. It's only natural. But as we appear to agree on, it is harder now. Maybe even much harder. Can you guys imagine the GNB base XP missions under these conditions?

Exactly... I still haven't seen a game with a 3k base XP scorer. That is an exceptionally long time for me to not see it. Also, it is worth noting that the changes have relatively affected non-premium good players more. Previously they generated more income, and probably had a somewhat smaller expense as well. So the profit margin has been narrowed. Premium obviously don't notice it as much as unless it is an exceptional game, the 50% greater income sort of masks the reduced profit margin, if it is even there at all (for them). That is the natural result if you increase the base expense. But I suppose it is a hard choice really, as if you matched the income up to follow suit, Premium players would simply have been given that much more profit. Seems they went with Premium stays the same, non-premium loses out.

So... how many times have the OP been back to post responses in this thread? Yeah, thought so. I think you guys know what has happened here.

Well, compared to previous fires they have tried to put out, this one was actually answered in a rather quick fashion. So maybe... maybe they are improving. But then again, it is hard to not improve over the present situation.

Agreed. Atago has always been one of the more tough cruisers, and not just because of her Repair Party. Her citadel is pretty big and long, but the armour that protects it is actually not bad for a cruiser, in fact it is reasonably good. And that means it can bounce shots quite often. It is actually one of the more interesting things. Because of the long citadel, the belt is also quite extensive, leading to more bouncing potential at acute angles. But at the end of the day she is a cruiser. Also, when Atago came out there wasn't much to compare her to (heh Kitakami survivability). Now with the Soviet cruisers there is a good reference point as to what fragile really is.

The pertinent question is, if the RU server is a relative beneficiary or relative loser in this case. Based on previous changes and lack of changes (Midway for some reason appears to do better than Haku on RU, so it is 'fine' in relative terms to WG), WG gleans more at the RU server statistics than the other servers. So when they made this change they were more likely to make it so it fit the RU server than the rest of us. And that is considering the differences between the RU and the rest as too big to make them fairly even. So my position on this is, if the RU server suffers like that, then we likely suffer a bit more, rather than a bit less. Which fits my own experience so far. At best I have seen some ships make the same income in XP and credits as before (like my Kamikaze R), while others are gutted comparably. The higher the tier, the more income losses I have noticed.

I logged out so I can't see it any longer. But WTH? Why did the notes mention this? That's one weird way of doing it.

Is it weird that I'm glad it isn't just me? Anyway, the guy that did it apologised profusely several times, so don't hold it against him. I certainly don't (expecting that he will be slightly more careful from now on, since he was so very apologetic about it all). One can hope that this get addressed more directly by someone in the know. I mean Customer Support is laughable at best with the answers they give us, and this clearly doesn't change that pattern (yay for opposite replies). This can't possibly be intentional.

Yes, you can be set on fire while Damage Control Party is active, but it will be put out instantly again. Nagato has 65000 HP. Her Repair Party can heal, without the flag, 9100 HP per use. So if all you get 6k then you use it all wrong and only have yourself to blame. If you add the signal flag, well then she can self heal up to 10920 per use. That's not a trivial amount. The Repair Party lasts for 28 seconds, and it heals 0.5% HP per second. On a couple of ships it heals even more (Warspite with 0,6% per second and Colorado with 0.65%). It is your job to use those heals wisely. Based on your constant complaint about the 5-6k per Repair Party, that falls squarely on your own shoulders. With the proper use of DCP and Repair Party, fires are less of a factor in most games. If you get massively focused by multiple ships, then what's the problem? Any other ship would be vaporised much faster in the same situation. You are not supposed to be able to handle that sort of focus for long. If you have Basics of Survivability, Damage Control Mod 2 and the fire reduction signal flag, fires last 34-35 seconds. In 35 seconds one fire will do 6825 damage. But let's assume you don't have that many flags, then it will last 43 seconds, which will do 8385. Still not even a single full Repair Party. And that's allowing it to last the entire duration (by the way, this is in fact not only a good way to increase your survivability, but also a good way to easily stock up on those tasty flags). It's all a matter of using both your cooldowns well, accept that there are situations where you are not supposed to get out of (and finding ways of not getting into those situations while still being useful) and setting your ship up well.

So you want a period of immunity after using Damage Control Party? You mean like giving UN battleships 20 seconds of immunity, German battleship 15 seconds and the Japanese 10 seconds. Yeah, totally. That makes sense. Which is why it is already in the bloody game.

Indeed... That wasn't a pretty picture painted. I must admit that I thought it was worse than what was presented since I haven't seen a single 3k base XP game since the patch. And while never common, they were not that uncommon either (I'm talking about anyone in my games, not just me of course). Ironically the closest I have seen was my own Bayern-super-carry in Ranked with 2.6k. It's been feeling like the higher tiers don't really gain more XP any longer, and since the progression does show that the higher the tiers the worse off they are, I feel slightly validated. The sheer size of the sample is most impressive I must say. A big thumbs up for the effort those guys have put into it. Also of consideration is this. Those stats are from the RU server, the one server where the changed rules would match the best initially. I wonder if not the other servers have taken even harder hits?

I have played with him, when you mentioned his name, I remembered that he played a really nice teamplay game. It seems it is part of his gaming nature. It's always very nice to meet such people. And now for my own. The lol-pen machine in action. Not a trolololo impressive game, but I felt good afterwards (especially the Khaba damage, hit him for 10k in one salvo HAH!)... then I saw the rewards.

The reason I'm surprised at ARP Takao's stats isn't because I have Atago. I haven't actually. It's because Atago is so much more powerful than the silver ships. So a free ship that is basically better than all the regular ships doesn't look awesome to me. Sure, I will get her if I can, why wouldn't I? But that doesn't mean that I think it is a great idea for her to be that way. I seriously and honestly expected her to be an Atago without the Repair Party, like every non-premium T8 cruiser. But I guess this pretty much confirms that when Takao herself comes as a silver T8 she will feature Repair Party. It would be somewhat odd, to me at least, if the ARP ship was better than it's 'real' counterpart.

Heh... Seriously though, it does look like the EU team is slightly ahead there. I mean Flamu, yes very good, but backed up but strangers123, Aerroon, Izolate, Crysantos. The NA team I must admit I'm slightly less knowledgeable about, but they have iChase, Notser, LWM and Keviseeb. Not that the others can't be good (for instance I know preciously little about iEarlGrey's skills), but when I compare the ones I do know the EU team seems slightly better off. However! And this is important. It is supposed to be fun rather than competitive. I mean 12v12 Mikasa, Shima torps and Bissy secondaries (it seems they are taking the most amusing battles of the recent server war)... can't be serious with such. And for that you need people of all skill levels honestly. Mistakes makes for some fun moments, and some potato moments can throw off people who are sued to high skill battles... Someone used the phrase 'protato' when that happens, and I support that word. Protato. I hope people won't take it too seriously. At the very least not thumb their noses at the others when 'their' side wins. I aim to be entertained.

Wow... so ARP Takao is essentially a blue Atago? Damn. I would never have expected them to pretty much copy her, especially not the Repair Party.

What about the official inquiry in 1919? I would say that it was quite in front of the naming of the ship.

What about Machiavelli (with or without Niccolo) for the T10 battleship? Not so much for his actual exploits, but his writings are sort of the go-to when talking about power and ruthlessness, heck even to the point that people are machviavellian and most people understand it's meaning. So it is an instantly recognisable name of power. The Machiavelli would be a scary ship (if we assume it to employ his actual theories), I would certainly think so. For the T7 I'm thinking perhaps one of the condottieri? Francesco Sforza or Cesare Borgia? I know that there was a series of light cruiser classes with various military leader names that is called Condottieri, but several of them are not the old medieval leaders (and some are downright hilariously bad, like Luigi Cadorna [seriously wtf Italy]). Here I'm thinking the ones that embody the spirit and strength of those men. They were perhaps not what would be called nice or even good men, and some were as destructive as the worst dregs, but I'm looking for those that can be said to define the word. Now I don't know if the two I mentioned are considered worthy in Italy, I just picked the two I personally recognised the best.

Bad choice as the others mentioned. Hipper is a dedicated cruiser killer. Cruisers are generally speaking the least numerous class (duh CVs are fewer), so she really lucks out. Also in the setting of fewer ships she simply has fewer opportunities for nice broadsides against said cruisers. Simply speaking, her strengths are so easily countered, and gets countered by the very way Ranked is structured. It really is pointless to bring her if you can bring pretty much anything else. I have run into a number of Prinz Eugens, and not a single time have I felt that they contributed anything worthwhile that I couldn't have gotten much better from other cruisers.

Tirpitz is excellent for those 'surprise' encounter around a cap, like B on North (Ranked version). There the torps are absolutely brilliant at keeping enemy BBs out, or giving them a hard knock if they do. For such a fight North Carolina is wholly inadequate as she is incapable of the furball maneuvers. What I see is that the North Carolinas simply don't contest very well. They hold caps rather nicely, but actually taking a cap, I would prefer a Tirpitz. And so I rank her marginally above NC. Bismarck is best... that HAS and those secondaries, and the AA is actually really good so that is hardly a loss compared to NC. However, NC is perfectly fine for Ranked. I have yet to see a well played NC seem out of it's depth. Have only seen an Amagi in that situation. Well played, plenty punch when needed, good tactical oversight it looked like. But when it came to him needing to halt the enemies that didn't give good angles to hit, it fell flat on it's face. Essentially Amagi requires the enemies to screw up, perhaps just a little bit, but still some. That's fine, perhaps even good at the first ranks, when such can be expected, but later on, it won't be enough.

Quite. 8rpm, 8 degree train rate (let's give them the benefit of the doubt, that the guns will be modeled with the hydraulic-electric gear rather than handcrancked), 835mps. With those stats they will be functionally like slightly faster firing Karlsruhe guns. They can in no way compete with BFT, EM and AFT affected ships. These guns weren't considered terribly impressive and were simply too heavy for what they traded. And that's in a world where they actually had time to traverse their guns, unlike the game. Just to compare, Blys has a 10 degree per second traverse before EM. And that's honestly too slow for a brawling destroyer, even with EM it is a bit sticky. This will be a lot worse, in fact more like Japanese DD gun traverse (with EM they are obviously going to be faster than the German guns).

Bayern, or maybe I should rename her 'Atlas' from all that carrying. Unfortunately the screenshots can't show the positions in the end. I had almost no support from the other Bayern alive, and ended up not only keeping the enemies from capping, but then proceeded to kill them and solo cap in the process. I even got "It's a Flesh Wound" on the very last kill, as we traded deaths with our salvos. I will never know why people don't think Bayern is an absolute beast. The only real issue she has are those slightly derpy guns. No problem, you want to get close anyway. And so she is perfect for Ranked (my secondary hits were achieved WITHOUT Manual Secondaries, 37k damage with secondaries... yeah I got close and I stayed there). With her you can survive the torrent of fire and get away with it. This was but my best score, but I had three battles in her (lost the other two) and in all three she performed in a similar vein (but not as well of course).